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	<title>Comments on: A New Map of the Middle East</title>
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	<description>Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics</description>
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		<title>By: johnhartwell</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76304</link>
		<dc:creator>johnhartwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The greatest danger in containing this conflict doesn&#039;t come from the current actors (Israel, Hezbollah), neither of which can defeat the other, or from those non-actors whose armies are standing on the sidelines (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia) and who desparately don&#039;t want to get dragged in.



The greatest danger lies in the possibility that one of the current non-actors will become radically transformed, as Egypt did in the Nasser revolution and nearly did again when Sadat was assassinated.



Syria, for example, has a Shiite minority sect ruling a largely Sunni country.  What happens if there&#039;s a coup?  Would a radical Islamist government in Damascus spur an invasion by Israel?



Egypt&#039;s government is sitting on top of a volcano, where a coup is always possible.  A radical change in government there would open a very dangerous front in support of the Palestinians in Gaza.  And Jordan, seemingly the most secure as its government is incredibly active in monitoring dissent, is the land bridge between Iraq and the West Bank.



If any of these governments goes down, we could really see &quot;unintended consequences.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greatest danger in containing this conflict doesn&#8217;t come from the current actors (Israel, Hezbollah), neither of which can defeat the other, or from those non-actors whose armies are standing on the sidelines (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia) and who desparately don&#8217;t want to get dragged in.</p>
<p>The greatest danger lies in the possibility that one of the current non-actors will become radically transformed, as Egypt did in the Nasser revolution and nearly did again when Sadat was assassinated.</p>
<p>Syria, for example, has a Shiite minority sect ruling a largely Sunni country.  What happens if there&#8217;s a coup?  Would a radical Islamist government in Damascus spur an invasion by Israel?</p>
<p>Egypt&#8217;s government is sitting on top of a volcano, where a coup is always possible.  A radical change in government there would open a very dangerous front in support of the Palestinians in Gaza.  And Jordan, seemingly the most secure as its government is incredibly active in monitoring dissent, is the land bridge between Iraq and the West Bank.</p>
<p>If any of these governments goes down, we could really see &#8220;unintended consequences.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Old Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76303</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you missed Vali Nasr (from this hour of ROS) on Jon Stewart&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Daily Show&lt;/i&gt; (Aug. 1st), beg a friend to save their DVR version of it until you can come over to view it.

He and Stewart were enlightening and funny (in that order).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you missed Vali Nasr (from this hour of ROS) on Jon Stewart&#8217;s <i>Daily Show</i> (Aug. 1st), beg a friend to save their DVR version of it until you can come over to view it.</p>
<p>He and Stewart were enlightening and funny (in that order).</p>
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		<title>By: Peregrinator</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76302</link>
		<dc:creator>Peregrinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my very first exposure to the whole Neo-Con concept, I&#039;ve been aghast at its hubris, that is, total lack of knowledge about other cultures, societies, and thoughts.  It is the most John Waynesque approach to dealing with issues, and because the real world is not the movies, absolutely destined to fail.  The War on Terror, War in Iraq etc is doomed because its very premise based on war and not peace is so flawed.  Naive excuses our actions, what is happening is not excusable, but most damnable.  Paul E. Opheim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my very first exposure to the whole Neo-Con concept, I&#8217;ve been aghast at its hubris, that is, total lack of knowledge about other cultures, societies, and thoughts.  It is the most John Waynesque approach to dealing with issues, and because the real world is not the movies, absolutely destined to fail.  The War on Terror, War in Iraq etc is doomed because its very premise based on war and not peace is so flawed.  Naive excuses our actions, what is happening is not excusable, but most damnable.  Paul E. Opheim</p>
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		<title>By: tommy higbee</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76301</link>
		<dc:creator>tommy higbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to wonder about the analogy of banging a fist on a chess board.  One look at  a map of the Middle East, and you can see that occupying Iraq is huge strategically.  It looks like very purposeful chess, in other words.



Look at the map.  Going from west to east, or India to Israel, we have:



1) Pakistan, home to many radical Muslims, including the Taliban, and engaging in terrorism in Kashmir

2) Afghanistan, host to the Taliban, Al Quaeda and Osama bin Laden

3) Iran, sponsor of Hezbollah and Hamas, stirring up trouble in Iraq, and one of the principal terrorist states in the Middle East

4) Iraq, home of Saddam Hussein, who terrorized his own people, used chemical weapons against his own, and offered rewards to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine

5) Syria, another leading terrorist state, which also sponsors Hezbollah and co-operated with Saddam Hussein



Since 9/11, we sent troops to Afghanistan and overthrew the old Taliban regime, which took away bin Laden&#039;s refuge and cut Pakistan off from Iran.  Then we sent troops into Iraq, which skipped over Iran, but put American troops in the middle between Iran and Syria.  So where there was unbroken territory for Muslim terrorists, the picture is now totally different.



Significant?  Absolutely.  Coud Iran really contribute much to help Syria in the current conflict, with 135,000 American troops in Iraq they would have to get past first?  If Iran wants to join the conflict directly, they have to also be prepared to take on U.S. troops at the same time.



Not unlike teachers separating unruly youngsters by positioning themselves in the middle.  Not that I would carry the analogy too far....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder about the analogy of banging a fist on a chess board.  One look at  a map of the Middle East, and you can see that occupying Iraq is huge strategically.  It looks like very purposeful chess, in other words.</p>
<p>Look at the map.  Going from west to east, or India to Israel, we have:</p>
<p>1) Pakistan, home to many radical Muslims, including the Taliban, and engaging in terrorism in Kashmir</p>
<p>2) Afghanistan, host to the Taliban, Al Quaeda and Osama bin Laden</p>
<p>3) Iran, sponsor of Hezbollah and Hamas, stirring up trouble in Iraq, and one of the principal terrorist states in the Middle East</p>
<p>4) Iraq, home of Saddam Hussein, who terrorized his own people, used chemical weapons against his own, and offered rewards to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine</p>
<p>5) Syria, another leading terrorist state, which also sponsors Hezbollah and co-operated with Saddam Hussein</p>
<p>Since 9/11, we sent troops to Afghanistan and overthrew the old Taliban regime, which took away bin Laden&#8217;s refuge and cut Pakistan off from Iran.  Then we sent troops into Iraq, which skipped over Iran, but put American troops in the middle between Iran and Syria.  So where there was unbroken territory for Muslim terrorists, the picture is now totally different.</p>
<p>Significant?  Absolutely.  Coud Iran really contribute much to help Syria in the current conflict, with 135,000 American troops in Iraq they would have to get past first?  If Iran wants to join the conflict directly, they have to also be prepared to take on U.S. troops at the same time.</p>
<p>Not unlike teachers separating unruly youngsters by positioning themselves in the middle.  Not that I would carry the analogy too far&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jdyer</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76300</link>
		<dc:creator>jdyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.&quot;



This is very cynical, Ric. What is the alternative, religion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is very cynical, Ric. What is the alternative, religion?</p>
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		<title>By: RicHard Ryan Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76299</link>
		<dc:creator>RicHard Ryan Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76298</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction--well maybe unequal, but  that is because people carry their traumas, their memories, their fears forward.  It&#039;s useless to say that they should not or to ask why. You would, I would- we do. People must be lead into peace like they are lead into war. The chemistry has to change. Sadat changed the chemistry for instance.



It takes a great deal of courage to extend your hand in peace after so much baggage piled on- yet it was done and it did not succeed. There were moments that seemed ripe,  But after the recent failures and the loss of trust and hope and fresh traumas heaped upon one another there came to a point where a divorce was deemed necessary.



Sidewalker: &lt;i&gt;Potter, why go back just to 1948 and a time of upheaval? What about before that? Were there not long periods where the city was shared?&lt;/i&gt;



There is a long and tumultuous history.



Barak did put Jerusalem on the table for discussion, but that was a very touchy subject and kept secret. It did break a taboo, as other taboos were broken during the 2000 talks.



This is an interesting: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mideastweb.org/moratinos.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Taba Negotiations:The Moratino&#039;s Non-Paper&lt;/a&gt;  Moratinos was the EU envoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction&#8211;well maybe unequal, but  that is because people carry their traumas, their memories, their fears forward.  It&#8217;s useless to say that they should not or to ask why. You would, I would- we do. People must be lead into peace like they are lead into war. The chemistry has to change. Sadat changed the chemistry for instance.</p>
<p>It takes a great deal of courage to extend your hand in peace after so much baggage piled on- yet it was done and it did not succeed. There were moments that seemed ripe,  But after the recent failures and the loss of trust and hope and fresh traumas heaped upon one another there came to a point where a divorce was deemed necessary.</p>
<p>Sidewalker: <i>Potter, why go back just to 1948 and a time of upheaval? What about before that? Were there not long periods where the city was shared?</i></p>
<p>There is a long and tumultuous history.</p>
<p>Barak did put Jerusalem on the table for discussion, but that was a very touchy subject and kept secret. It did break a taboo, as other taboos were broken during the 2000 talks.</p>
<p>This is an interesting: <a  href="http://www.mideastweb.org/moratinos.htm" rel="nofollow">Taba Negotiations:The Moratino&#8217;s Non-Paper</a>  Moratinos was the EU envoy.</p>
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		<title>By: scribe5</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76297</link>
		<dc:creator>scribe5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Look at how united the people of Israel are in the cause: 90% in opinion polls.&quot;



You can thank Hezbollah for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Look at how united the people of Israel are in the cause: 90% in opinion polls.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can thank Hezbollah for that.</p>
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		<title>By: scribe5</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76296</link>
		<dc:creator>scribe5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes scribe5, and the West has been so accepting of its minorities. Letâ€™s consider how African Americans and Native peoples have been treated in your nation-state during its short history.&quot;



You are changing the subject. However, the US did have a civil war over the treatment of Black people here. African slavery was also a fact in the Arab lands and it wasn&#039;t abolished in Saudi Arabia till the 1970&#039;s.







&quot;I think we could say that Lebanon is a multi-ethnic state?&quot;





When the French took over Lebanon a couple of centuries ago they found the Christians to be a beleaguered minority which would have been wiped out had they not interfered.



The French set up a system that, while favoring the Christians, was a lot fairer to the Muslims than the Muslims had been to the Christians.



After independence it didn&#039;t take long before the system set up by the French broke down.





Since then tens of thousands of Christian have left Lebanon.





Take another example Egypt where the Copts had at one time been a majority. They are down to five percent of the population and are also under constant harassment by the Muslims in the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes scribe5, and the West has been so accepting of its minorities. Letâ€™s consider how African Americans and Native peoples have been treated in your nation-state during its short history.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are changing the subject. However, the US did have a civil war over the treatment of Black people here. African slavery was also a fact in the Arab lands and it wasn&#8217;t abolished in Saudi Arabia till the 1970&#8242;s.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think we could say that Lebanon is a multi-ethnic state?&#8221;</p>
<p>When the French took over Lebanon a couple of centuries ago they found the Christians to be a beleaguered minority which would have been wiped out had they not interfered.</p>
<p>The French set up a system that, while favoring the Christians, was a lot fairer to the Muslims than the Muslims had been to the Christians.</p>
<p>After independence it didn&#8217;t take long before the system set up by the French broke down.</p>
<p>Since then tens of thousands of Christian have left Lebanon.</p>
<p>Take another example Egypt where the Copts had at one time been a majority. They are down to five percent of the population and are also under constant harassment by the Muslims in the country.</p>
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		<title>By: scribe5</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/a-new-map-of-the-middle-east/#comment-76295</link>
		<dc:creator>scribe5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Potter, why go back just to 1948 and a time of upheaval? What about before that? Were there not long periods where the city was shared?&quot;



Befire 1948 there was a Jewish majority in Jerusalem. Attacks on Jews at that ime were not unkown. Before the British took over in 1917 attacks on Jews in Jerusalem and the rest of area were also a daily occurence.



Life of Jews in the Arab lands was never easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Potter, why go back just to 1948 and a time of upheaval? What about before that? Were there not long periods where the city was shared?&#8221;</p>
<p>Befire 1948 there was a Jewish majority in Jerusalem. Attacks on Jews at that ime were not unkown. Before the British took over in 1917 attacks on Jews in Jerusalem and the rest of area were also a daily occurence.</p>
<p>Life of Jews in the Arab lands was never easy.</p>
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