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	<title>Comments on: At Home with Harold Bloom: (1) on Walt Whitman</title>
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	<description>Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics</description>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/at-home-with-harold-bloom-1-on-walt-whitman/#comment-92265</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to aaron&#039;s point, in addition to finding nature in communities, Whitman also celebrated nature in the human body. Jonah Lehrer makes this point in his book Proust Was a Neuroscientist citing passages from The Body Electric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to aaron&#8217;s point, in addition to finding nature in communities, Whitman also celebrated nature in the human body. Jonah Lehrer makes this point in his book Proust Was a Neuroscientist citing passages from The Body Electric.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/at-home-with-harold-bloom-1-on-walt-whitman/#comment-92264</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said aaron- this is what draws me to all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said aaron- this is what draws me to all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: aaronhemeon</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/at-home-with-harold-bloom-1-on-walt-whitman/#comment-92263</link>
		<dc:creator>aaronhemeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe, and this is so very speculative, that Bloom&#039;s use of the phrase &quot;American Religion&quot; has to do with the notion of the way in which big spritual truth is treated.  It seems to me that what Whitman, Emerson, and Thoreau have in common is a hightened appreciation for nature as a spiritual teacher.  Whitman found this nature in cities, and identified himself as part of the larger community of participants.  This participation can be found in his utterings of lists, specifically in &quot;Song of Myself.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe, and this is so very speculative, that Bloom&#8217;s use of the phrase &#8220;American Religion&#8221; has to do with the notion of the way in which big spritual truth is treated.  It seems to me that what Whitman, Emerson, and Thoreau have in common is a hightened appreciation for nature as a spiritual teacher.  Whitman found this nature in cities, and identified himself as part of the larger community of participants.  This participation can be found in his utterings of lists, specifically in &#8220;Song of Myself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/at-home-with-harold-bloom-1-on-walt-whitman/#comment-92262</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad that Bloom is feeling better.



It&#039;s takes me awhile to get past the delivery and the pronouncements and to settle into Bloom as a framer. And that he does so well. For me, Whitman does deserve that high place. I bought &quot;Leaves of Grass&quot; when I was 12 years old and gave it to my mother. She still has it.



What I did not get and what I wished Bloom delved into more was the passage about American Religion. I wanted more about the Biblical parallelism... examples.



I don&#039;t understand Bloom&#039;s interpretation of Whitman&#039;s (as prophet of a &quot;very new&quot; religion) redefinition of the self, the soul and the &quot;real me&quot; ( if I have that correctly) as three separate parts and how they could not come together or be fused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad that Bloom is feeling better.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s takes me awhile to get past the delivery and the pronouncements and to settle into Bloom as a framer. And that he does so well. For me, Whitman does deserve that high place. I bought &#8220;Leaves of Grass&#8221; when I was 12 years old and gave it to my mother. She still has it.</p>
<p>What I did not get and what I wished Bloom delved into more was the passage about American Religion. I wanted more about the Biblical parallelism&#8230; examples.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand Bloom&#8217;s interpretation of Whitman&#8217;s (as prophet of a &#8220;very new&#8221; religion) redefinition of the self, the soul and the &#8220;real me&#8221; ( if I have that correctly) as three separate parts and how they could not come together or be fused.</p>
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		<title>By: davispeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>davispeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone once said,

More wine, less truth.

Why not, more wine,

More truth--

Keep &#039;em coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone once said,</p>
<p>More wine, less truth.</p>
<p>Why not, more wine,</p>
<p>More truth&#8211;</p>
<p>Keep &#8216;em coming.</p>
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		<title>By: aaronhemeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaronhemeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Chris, Harold, and Walt.  I have a show idea.  If what Bloom calls &quot;The American Religion,&quot; is a pragmatic one, and one that includes a spiritual explanation for sublime experience, then I think Sam Harris is a guest that might share some insight.  Certainly Dan Dennett has been fine guest more than once, but I find that if Dawkins is to the right of Dennett, Harris is to the left.  The debates archived on his website (http://www.samharris.org/site/media_video/), where he appears on several television shows, indicate his humble patient wisdom.  I would really like to listen to the sort of healthy dialogue that Open Source affords, as opposed to these useless sound byte wars on television.  What I think Sam Harris would do well to discuss, is a constructive perspectve on contemplative life.  Emerson says:



&quot;In liberated moments we know that a new picture of life and duty is already possible; the elements already exist in many minds around you of a doctrine of life which shall transcend any written record we have.  The new statement will comprise the scepticisms as well as the faiths of society, and out of unbeliefs a creed shall be formed.  For scepticisms are not gratuitous or lawless, but are limitations of the affirmative statement, and the new philosophy must take them in and make affirmations outside of them, just as much as it must include the oldest beliefs.&quot;



The work that some of the &quot;athiests&quot; have been involved in has been very insightful.  Yet, I find much of it annoying in that it often relies on an extreme right.  Harris, although from a distance often gets lumped in here, has a different agenda.  He has made statements in the presence of Dennett that I feel have begun to move in a constructive direction that Dennett hasn&#039;t.  I have recently posted some comments about these topics on my blog which might further illustrate the elating connections.  http://magisterludi.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Chris, Harold, and Walt.  I have a show idea.  If what Bloom calls &#8220;The American Religion,&#8221; is a pragmatic one, and one that includes a spiritual explanation for sublime experience, then I think Sam Harris is a guest that might share some insight.  Certainly Dan Dennett has been fine guest more than once, but I find that if Dawkins is to the right of Dennett, Harris is to the left.  The debates archived on his website (<a  href="http://www.samharris.org/site/media_video/" rel="nofollow">http://www.samharris.org/site/media_video/</a>), where he appears on several television shows, indicate his humble patient wisdom.  I would really like to listen to the sort of healthy dialogue that Open Source affords, as opposed to these useless sound byte wars on television.  What I think Sam Harris would do well to discuss, is a constructive perspectve on contemplative life.  Emerson says:</p>
<p>&#8220;In liberated moments we know that a new picture of life and duty is already possible; the elements already exist in many minds around you of a doctrine of life which shall transcend any written record we have.  The new statement will comprise the scepticisms as well as the faiths of society, and out of unbeliefs a creed shall be formed.  For scepticisms are not gratuitous or lawless, but are limitations of the affirmative statement, and the new philosophy must take them in and make affirmations outside of them, just as much as it must include the oldest beliefs.&#8221;</p>
<p>The work that some of the &#8220;athiests&#8221; have been involved in has been very insightful.  Yet, I find much of it annoying in that it often relies on an extreme right.  Harris, although from a distance often gets lumped in here, has a different agenda.  He has made statements in the presence of Dennett that I feel have begun to move in a constructive direction that Dennett hasn&#8217;t.  I have recently posted some comments about these topics on my blog which might further illustrate the elating connections.  <a  href="http://magisterludi.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://magisterludi.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: nother</title>
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		<dc:creator>nother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that&#039;s Bloom not bloom.



A wish for the new year - if only to see the U.S. through Whitman&#039;s crystal eye.



A Christmas Greeting



By Walt Whitman

1819-1892



&quot;Welcome, Brazilian brother--thy ample place is ready;

A loving hand--a smile from the north--a sunny instant hall!

(Let the future care for itself, where it reveals its troubles,

impedimentas,

Ours, ours the present throe, the democratic aim, the acceptance and

the faith;)

To thee to-day our reaching arm, our turning neck--to thee from us

the expectant eye,

Thou cluster free! thou brilliant lustrous one! thou, learning well,

The true lesson of a nation&#039;s light in the sky,

(More shining than the Cross, more than the Crown,)

The height to be superb humanity.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that&#8217;s Bloom not bloom.</p>
<p>A wish for the new year &#8211; if only to see the U.S. through Whitman&#8217;s crystal eye.</p>
<p>A Christmas Greeting</p>
<p>By Walt Whitman</p>
<p>1819-1892</p>
<p>&#8220;Welcome, Brazilian brother&#8211;thy ample place is ready;</p>
<p>A loving hand&#8211;a smile from the north&#8211;a sunny instant hall!</p>
<p>(Let the future care for itself, where it reveals its troubles,</p>
<p>impedimentas,</p>
<p>Ours, ours the present throe, the democratic aim, the acceptance and</p>
<p>the faith;)</p>
<p>To thee to-day our reaching arm, our turning neck&#8211;to thee from us</p>
<p>the expectant eye,</p>
<p>Thou cluster free! thou brilliant lustrous one! thou, learning well,</p>
<p>The true lesson of a nation&#8217;s light in the sky,</p>
<p>(More shining than the Cross, more than the Crown,)</p>
<p>The height to be superb humanity.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: nother</title>
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		<dc:creator>nother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that cannot be denied about bloom â€“ he is enthusiastic in his intellectual convictions.



Of course Emerson was of the opinion that â€œâ€œNothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.â€



Which enthusiastically leads me to my favorite Whitman excerpt from Songs of Myself:



â€œLong enough have you dreamâ€™d contemptible dreams,

Now I wash the gum from your eyes,

You must habit yourself to the dazzle of the light and of

 every moment of your life.



Long have you timidly waded holding a plank by the shore,

Now I will you to be a bold swimmer,

To jump off in the midst of the sea, rise again, nod to me,

shout, and laughingly dash with your hair.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that cannot be denied about bloom â€“ he is enthusiastic in his intellectual convictions.</p>
<p>Of course Emerson was of the opinion that â€œâ€œNothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.â€</p>
<p>Which enthusiastically leads me to my favorite Whitman excerpt from Songs of Myself:</p>
<p>â€œLong enough have you dreamâ€™d contemptible dreams,</p>
<p>Now I wash the gum from your eyes,</p>
<p>You must habit yourself to the dazzle of the light and of</p>
<p> every moment of your life.</p>
<p>Long have you timidly waded holding a plank by the shore,</p>
<p>Now I will you to be a bold swimmer,</p>
<p>To jump off in the midst of the sea, rise again, nod to me,</p>
<p>shout, and laughingly dash with your hair.â€</p>
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