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		<title>By: Grapho-fétichistes et discrimination &#171; Disparate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grapho-fétichistes et discrimination &#171; Disparate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] motivation à écrire ce billet provient d&#8217;une discussion plutôt dérangeante pour moi, au cours d&#8217;un épisode de la balado-diffusion Open Source animée par Christopher Lydon. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Train Your Horse &#38; Cure Bad Habits! &#124; 7Wins.eu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Train Your Horse &#38; Cure Bad Habits! &#124; 7Wins.eu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] l Development Carnival, September 2, 2007 Edition &#124; Personal Development for the Book SmartOpen Source  » Blog Archive   »  Curtains for Cursive?    	Tags 	ho [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cjuma</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-38131</link>
		<dc:creator>cjuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Writing is not about creating letters, which you can do with any electromechanical devices such as computers; it is the ultimate expression of our creative being. A cursive writing club will do more for our culture than most of the elite sports put together. Through pen and paper we can touch the souls of others in ways we cannot with their lesser substitutes.  http://bcsia.ksg.harvard.edu/global/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing is not about creating letters, which you can do with any electromechanical devices such as computers; it is the ultimate expression of our creative being. A cursive writing club will do more for our culture than most of the elite sports put together. Through pen and paper we can touch the souls of others in ways we cannot with their lesser substitutes.  <a href="http://bcsia.ksg.harvard.edu/global/" rel="nofollow">http://bcsia.ksg.harvard.edu/global/</a></p>
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		<title>By: mimsong</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-37881</link>
		<dc:creator>mimsong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s news of the death of another obsolete technique, morse code:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf

we won&#039;t be getting such an announcement for cursive, because writing is not regulated as radio is; morse the pity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s news of the death of another obsolete technique, morse code:<br />
<a href="http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf</a></p>
<p>we won&#8217;t be getting such an announcement for cursive, because writing is not regulated as radio is; morse the pity!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Gladstone</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-37582</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Gladstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoav, please contact me. I have taught quite a few people how to read cursive handwriting even if they didn&#039;t also want to write that way ... http://learn.to/handwrite</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoav, please contact me. I have taught quite a few people how to read cursive handwriting even if they didn&#8217;t also want to write that way &#8230; <a href="http://learn.to/handwrite" rel="nofollow">http://learn.to/handwrite</a></p>
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		<title>By: zensparrow</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-37110</link>
		<dc:creator>zensparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My handwriting is a combo of cursive and printing.  I use email to communicate quickly, but handwriting to reflect - in my journal or in letters to my friends who live in monastery, without computer access.  In my experience, pen and paper - whether cursive or printing or both - lend an intimacy to thoughts and a meditative quality to writing.  One of my correspondents, a prisoner in San Quentin, writes the most beautiful cursive.  You can tell it&#039;s a meditation for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My handwriting is a combo of cursive and printing.  I use email to communicate quickly, but handwriting to reflect &#8211; in my journal or in letters to my friends who live in monastery, without computer access.  In my experience, pen and paper &#8211; whether cursive or printing or both &#8211; lend an intimacy to thoughts and a meditative quality to writing.  One of my correspondents, a prisoner in San Quentin, writes the most beautiful cursive.  You can tell it&#8217;s a meditation for him.</p>
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		<title>By: himasf</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36966</link>
		<dc:creator>himasf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neat cursive is too slow. I have the patience to maintain a handwritten blog but I only use cursive occasionally.</description>
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		<title>By: William22</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36946</link>
		<dc:creator>William22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the father of a child with Cerebral Palsy, I have a creative intelligent little man locked inside a body that doesn&#039;t work too well. For the guest of the program to claim have the ability to predict honesty or loyalty or other personality inferences based upon legibility is folly and crass at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the father of a child with Cerebral Palsy, I have a creative intelligent little man locked inside a body that doesn&#8217;t work too well. For the guest of the program to claim have the ability to predict honesty or loyalty or other personality inferences based upon legibility is folly and crass at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozymandias</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36931</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozymandias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris made reference to the &quot;Coca-Cola&quot; cursive logo. Whilst corporate identity is a costly confection contrived by sophisticated graphic geniuses in concert with marketing mandarins these days, originator of the ubiquitous beverage John Pemberton&#039;s accountant, Frank Robinson, is credited with naming the product, and the famous logo is said to be in Mr. Robinson&#039;s distinctive handwriting. When a bean counter&#039;s penmanship has such astoundingly pervasive and enduring impact (ledger domain legerdemain? ) who can doubt the potential power of the written word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris made reference to the &#8220;Coca-Cola&#8221; cursive logo. Whilst corporate identity is a costly confection contrived by sophisticated graphic geniuses in concert with marketing mandarins these days, originator of the ubiquitous beverage John Pemberton&#8217;s accountant, Frank Robinson, is credited with naming the product, and the famous logo is said to be in Mr. Robinson&#8217;s distinctive handwriting. When a bean counter&#8217;s penmanship has such astoundingly pervasive and enduring impact (ledger domain legerdemain? ) who can doubt the potential power of the written word?</p>
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		<title>By: David Weinstein</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36921</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weinstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few remarks, a contradiction and a question:  I suffered from moderate dyslexia growing up.  Needless to say learning to read and to write were an ordeal for me.  I never learned the Palmer method or another but I do rememeber my third grade teacher stopping me as I was about to board the bus home, and relating in what I perceived to be a sort of paniced concern that I needed to practice my handwriting, particularly practicing the difference between a &#039;p&#039; and a &#039;q.&#039;  All I could do was board the bus as quickly as possible, assuring her through the window that I would make the necessary effort, hoping for a swift departure of the transport to speed me away from my shame.

I never could manage any semblance of a pretty handwriting so I had to settle for a utilitarian style.  In my late teens however I realized that I had an aptitude and interest in calligraphy, particualrly letters written large.  Later I practiced Hebrew calligraphy.  This apparant contradiction has something to do with speed.  Handwriting was invented to speed up the writing process as compared to block lettering.  The calligraphy I enjoyed was block lettering.

In any case I am a professional writer now.  My fear that writing on a word precessor instead of a legal pad would somehow crimp my creativity turned out to be a supersition.  In fact the editing capability, and, more dramatically, the spell check feature (rememeber the dyslexia) of word processing has made creative writing easier without crimping inspiration.  Where the new process of writing really had a dramatic effect is when I returned to school to get an advanced degree.  Computer word processing helped to vastly improve my paper writing.  Of course all those years as a writer helped me to learn to organize my thoughts and to find apt expression of them.  But this is one person who will not miss the typewriter.

All this remains true in longform writing.  But I cannot imagine writing poetry on a computer.  I need the pen in my hand and to touch it to paper to write poetry at all.  Certainly this has to do with the rhythm, sound and image of poetry and the intergration of all these features somewhere in the brain that is just incompatible, at least for me, with the keyboard.

I am one who has experienced the pleasure of an exchange of letters with other human beings, the epistolary relationship ib both friendship and romance.   This practice, this art is all but vanished.  In a certain nostalgia, I would say that we are less fully human for its absence.  There was a self discovery and deepening of bonds in the epistolary realationship not to speak of the attention to and development of language.

But are relationships any worse now that the epistolarly realtionship has gone by the wayside like buggy rides into the country or the parlor discussion?  I think not.  Certaianly less romantic.  But think how tortured those nineteenth century lovers were, at least in those French, Russain and English romanrtic novels we love.  Perhaps in the accelerated, to-the-point, utilitarian e-mailing and text messaging friends and acquaintances get to the point.  And lovers get real, have the opportunity to work things out.

Can we hope for the best of both worlds, rapid and far reaching communication online but when we get together we can enjoy the art of verbal communication  - sort of the template for ROS?  Or have we just become speeded up and numbed out to our respective humanity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few remarks, a contradiction and a question:  I suffered from moderate dyslexia growing up.  Needless to say learning to read and to write were an ordeal for me.  I never learned the Palmer method or another but I do rememeber my third grade teacher stopping me as I was about to board the bus home, and relating in what I perceived to be a sort of paniced concern that I needed to practice my handwriting, particularly practicing the difference between a &#8216;p&#8217; and a &#8216;q.&#8217;  All I could do was board the bus as quickly as possible, assuring her through the window that I would make the necessary effort, hoping for a swift departure of the transport to speed me away from my shame.</p>
<p>I never could manage any semblance of a pretty handwriting so I had to settle for a utilitarian style.  In my late teens however I realized that I had an aptitude and interest in calligraphy, particualrly letters written large.  Later I practiced Hebrew calligraphy.  This apparant contradiction has something to do with speed.  Handwriting was invented to speed up the writing process as compared to block lettering.  The calligraphy I enjoyed was block lettering.</p>
<p>In any case I am a professional writer now.  My fear that writing on a word precessor instead of a legal pad would somehow crimp my creativity turned out to be a supersition.  In fact the editing capability, and, more dramatically, the spell check feature (rememeber the dyslexia) of word processing has made creative writing easier without crimping inspiration.  Where the new process of writing really had a dramatic effect is when I returned to school to get an advanced degree.  Computer word processing helped to vastly improve my paper writing.  Of course all those years as a writer helped me to learn to organize my thoughts and to find apt expression of them.  But this is one person who will not miss the typewriter.</p>
<p>All this remains true in longform writing.  But I cannot imagine writing poetry on a computer.  I need the pen in my hand and to touch it to paper to write poetry at all.  Certainly this has to do with the rhythm, sound and image of poetry and the intergration of all these features somewhere in the brain that is just incompatible, at least for me, with the keyboard.</p>
<p>I am one who has experienced the pleasure of an exchange of letters with other human beings, the epistolary relationship ib both friendship and romance.   This practice, this art is all but vanished.  In a certain nostalgia, I would say that we are less fully human for its absence.  There was a self discovery and deepening of bonds in the epistolary realationship not to speak of the attention to and development of language.</p>
<p>But are relationships any worse now that the epistolarly realtionship has gone by the wayside like buggy rides into the country or the parlor discussion?  I think not.  Certaianly less romantic.  But think how tortured those nineteenth century lovers were, at least in those French, Russain and English romanrtic novels we love.  Perhaps in the accelerated, to-the-point, utilitarian e-mailing and text messaging friends and acquaintances get to the point.  And lovers get real, have the opportunity to work things out.</p>
<p>Can we hope for the best of both worlds, rapid and far reaching communication online but when we get together we can enjoy the art of verbal communication  &#8211; sort of the template for ROS?  Or have we just become speeded up and numbed out to our respective humanity?</p>
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		<title>By: Rosamond Haupt</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36918</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosamond Haupt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother won first place in a Schaeffer handwriting contest.  I won first place in a Palmer handwriting contest.  It rather irks me that I have to send this via type face rather than in cursive.  Now I&#039;m looking for a calligraphy class and hope it will be a good place to meet other cursive writers who feel strongly about handwriting memos, notes and letters whenever possible.
I feel that cursive should continue to be taught whether as a part of English or as part of an art class in the lower classes in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother won first place in a Schaeffer handwriting contest.  I won first place in a Palmer handwriting contest.  It rather irks me that I have to send this via type face rather than in cursive.  Now I&#8217;m looking for a calligraphy class and hope it will be a good place to meet other cursive writers who feel strongly about handwriting memos, notes and letters whenever possible.<br />
I feel that cursive should continue to be taught whether as a part of English or as part of an art class in the lower classes in school.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36916</link>
		<dc:creator>samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice that one of the last vestigages of handwriting were handwritten logs in the military. They have computerized it now too. I did improve my handwriting even though it was block capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice that one of the last vestigages of handwriting were handwritten logs in the military. They have computerized it now too. I did improve my handwriting even though it was block capital.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36914</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this has already been covered...Bill Clinton wrote that excerpt provided above.  He&#039;s a lefty.  [do I get a t-shirt? ;-) ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this has already been covered&#8230;Bill Clinton wrote that excerpt provided above.  He&#8217;s a lefty.  [do I get a t-shirt? <img src='http://www.radioopensource.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ]</p>
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		<title>By: crank</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36913</link>
		<dc:creator>crank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, this topic seems as if Christopher Lydon might be interviewing the maker of elegant horse and buggy carriages about 1910. Handwriting is nothing but a communication technology, and as with all technologies, as improvements are made and new methods wrought, the old ones fall by the wayside. What we now call cursive is a product of thousands of years of changes in writing technology, from the stylus to the quill to the ballpoint, each change bringing the technology of writing available to a wider audience. Now that keyboards and voice recognition are here, those with visual or physical impairments who cannot write by hand are now brought onto a level playing field with everybody else. I see nothing to mourn and much to celebrate in the passing of cursive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, this topic seems as if Christopher Lydon might be interviewing the maker of elegant horse and buggy carriages about 1910. Handwriting is nothing but a communication technology, and as with all technologies, as improvements are made and new methods wrought, the old ones fall by the wayside. What we now call cursive is a product of thousands of years of changes in writing technology, from the stylus to the quill to the ballpoint, each change bringing the technology of writing available to a wider audience. Now that keyboards and voice recognition are here, those with visual or physical impairments who cannot write by hand are now brought onto a level playing field with everybody else. I see nothing to mourn and much to celebrate in the passing of cursive.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris W.</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36911</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed this discussion on &quot;Cursive&quot; very much. I am a Creative Director and work with type faces/fonts in most of my waking life. To write in cursive is to actually utilize the brain&#039;s ability to formulate thought as penmanship, not mere writing. I learned the Palmer Method and have witnessed first hand it&#039;s demise at the front line... the school desks of my 7 and 9 yr. old children. My pleas for a penmanship driven exercise each day, has fallen on deaf and underfinanced schoolsystem ears.

To my main point... To look at cursive you look fist to penmanship:

I am a collector of antique inkwells and I have enjoyed all the aspects associated with early handwriting. To really understand why cursive was and is no more, you only need to look as far as early writing tools. In order to write a word with a dip-pen with a flat nib, it was essential to keep the pen in motion on the paper or there would be bleeds. Diping a pen for each letter was counter-productive and prone to spills, so linked letters proved beneficial. In the Victorian age, the quality of penmanship and stationary was actually a benchmark of status. 

During the 20s the dip pen got an upgrade; the Reservoir Pen. However, like it&#039;s predicessor, it functioned the same way. sending a flowing fluid down a nib with the same written results.  Yet, As an earlier commenter has mentioned, it was the U.S.Post Office that ultimately quashed penmanship. It was their demand for a better transportable smudge free, and self-contained writing tool that spawned the Ball Point Pen. No longer did you have to keep the point on the paper, nor worry about drips to write. At this time the Art Deco and Empire style block letters, used in advertising, were influencing everything. People were now emulating the look, and writing in this block form. 

Another note about Cursive... the shape of the nib of the dip-pen held at the correct angle allowed for variation in line weight, adding a certain panache to a well penned letter. The ball point pen can only make a that drab uniform weight line.

On a final note...  at least Polly isn&#039;t getting her pig tails dipped in the inkwell any more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this discussion on &#8220;Cursive&#8221; very much. I am a Creative Director and work with type faces/fonts in most of my waking life. To write in cursive is to actually utilize the brain&#8217;s ability to formulate thought as penmanship, not mere writing. I learned the Palmer Method and have witnessed first hand it&#8217;s demise at the front line&#8230; the school desks of my 7 and 9 yr. old children. My pleas for a penmanship driven exercise each day, has fallen on deaf and underfinanced schoolsystem ears.</p>
<p>To my main point&#8230; To look at cursive you look fist to penmanship:</p>
<p>I am a collector of antique inkwells and I have enjoyed all the aspects associated with early handwriting. To really understand why cursive was and is no more, you only need to look as far as early writing tools. In order to write a word with a dip-pen with a flat nib, it was essential to keep the pen in motion on the paper or there would be bleeds. Diping a pen for each letter was counter-productive and prone to spills, so linked letters proved beneficial. In the Victorian age, the quality of penmanship and stationary was actually a benchmark of status. </p>
<p>During the 20s the dip pen got an upgrade; the Reservoir Pen. However, like it&#8217;s predicessor, it functioned the same way. sending a flowing fluid down a nib with the same written results.  Yet, As an earlier commenter has mentioned, it was the U.S.Post Office that ultimately quashed penmanship. It was their demand for a better transportable smudge free, and self-contained writing tool that spawned the Ball Point Pen. No longer did you have to keep the point on the paper, nor worry about drips to write. At this time the Art Deco and Empire style block letters, used in advertising, were influencing everything. People were now emulating the look, and writing in this block form. </p>
<p>Another note about Cursive&#8230; the shape of the nib of the dip-pen held at the correct angle allowed for variation in line weight, adding a certain panache to a well penned letter. The ball point pen can only make a that drab uniform weight line.</p>
<p>On a final note&#8230;  at least Polly isn&#8217;t getting her pig tails dipped in the inkwell any more!</p>
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		<title>By: Hopeglory</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36909</link>
		<dc:creator>Hopeglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an adendum to my last comment.  I have been using a ball-point pen to write all my cursive script.  Some people blam the ball-point pen for the demise of pen-personship.  I say &quot;haberdash!&quot;  I have never liked the fountain pen, and you can use a ball-point pen to write your cursive script any-ole day.  The ball-point pen conspiracy is just another excuse to try to explain why people don&#039;t handwrite anything any more.  Ball-point pens may be a modern, new-fangled convience compared to the quill.  But they usuallly don&#039;t leak, and you can buy them anywhere.  These pens do not impede the handwriting process, even though the final output of ball point pens is not as eligant as the quill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an adendum to my last comment.  I have been using a ball-point pen to write all my cursive script.  Some people blam the ball-point pen for the demise of pen-personship.  I say &#8220;haberdash!&#8221;  I have never liked the fountain pen, and you can use a ball-point pen to write your cursive script any-ole day.  The ball-point pen conspiracy is just another excuse to try to explain why people don&#8217;t handwrite anything any more.  Ball-point pens may be a modern, new-fangled convience compared to the quill.  But they usuallly don&#8217;t leak, and you can buy them anywhere.  These pens do not impede the handwriting process, even though the final output of ball point pens is not as eligant as the quill.</p>
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		<title>By: billfalls</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment on the program about handwritten text becoming unintelligible was no exaggeration. Here&#039;s a historical antecedent: 

Somewhere around the 15th century in Spain, before the arrival of printed books, the script known as &quot;Gothic&quot; fell out of fashion, replaced by &quot;Roman&quot; calligraphy. Within a generation almost no one remained who could understand Gothic writing, and books using it became wastepaper (or -parchment). Few had been transcribed into the new hand. The few Gothic pages that survive were most likely saved by being used in book bindings or because something written on the other side of the sheet was considered worth keeping.

I wonder if the old-timers of that time lamented the passing of their art and the ability to read their books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment on the program about handwritten text becoming unintelligible was no exaggeration. Here&#8217;s a historical antecedent: </p>
<p>Somewhere around the 15th century in Spain, before the arrival of printed books, the script known as &#8220;Gothic&#8221; fell out of fashion, replaced by &#8220;Roman&#8221; calligraphy. Within a generation almost no one remained who could understand Gothic writing, and books using it became wastepaper (or -parchment). Few had been transcribed into the new hand. The few Gothic pages that survive were most likely saved by being used in book bindings or because something written on the other side of the sheet was considered worth keeping.</p>
<p>I wonder if the old-timers of that time lamented the passing of their art and the ability to read their books.</p>
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		<title>By: pappy_leydon</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36907</link>
		<dc:creator>pappy_leydon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Malachi, thanks for the historical prespective. As a student of medieval literature (including Irish), I do appreciate a nice, clear hand with unconnected letters.
By the way, if you are listening on the radio in NYC like me, the show is on tape (or whatever digital medium they use now) from this morning. Alas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Malachi, thanks for the historical prespective. As a student of medieval literature (including Irish), I do appreciate a nice, clear hand with unconnected letters.<br />
By the way, if you are listening on the radio in NYC like me, the show is on tape (or whatever digital medium they use now) from this morning. Alas.</p>
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		<title>By: Hopeglory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hopeglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me an anomoly, call me a maveric.  I&#039;m a forty-one year-old male and I can say unabashedly that I have the best, most legible cursive that I have read from anyone whom I work with, and most script that I read is not as good as mine.  I don&#039;t mean to brag, and I do many, many things poorly.  Cursive script is one thing I do very well.  I don&#039;t know what the so-called &quot;Palmer&quot; method is, and when I write in cursive script I do not think of my grandmother, even though her maiden name is Palmer.  And I have seen her handwriting and must confess that I her handriting is not as good as mine is, although my mother&#039;s script is more flowing and neater than mine, so my mother has me beat.  I enjoy handwriting more than typing, but as I write for my work (residential counseling) if I write twenty notes a night by hand, I feel the pain.  The computer is the great leveler of the writing cramp condition.  By the way Bill Clinton penned the handwritten note.  Please don&#039;t send me any T-shirt.  I don&#039;t make enough money to contribute to my local NPR station (WNYC), and I have a ton of T-shirts.  Do I have to spell it out for you?  I DON&quot;T WANT ANY T-SHIRT!!!!   My only regret is that I could not write this note in a cursive script, and I had to use this keyboard to write the words on the screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me an anomoly, call me a maveric.  I&#8217;m a forty-one year-old male and I can say unabashedly that I have the best, most legible cursive that I have read from anyone whom I work with, and most script that I read is not as good as mine.  I don&#8217;t mean to brag, and I do many, many things poorly.  Cursive script is one thing I do very well.  I don&#8217;t know what the so-called &#8220;Palmer&#8221; method is, and when I write in cursive script I do not think of my grandmother, even though her maiden name is Palmer.  And I have seen her handwriting and must confess that I her handriting is not as good as mine is, although my mother&#8217;s script is more flowing and neater than mine, so my mother has me beat.  I enjoy handwriting more than typing, but as I write for my work (residential counseling) if I write twenty notes a night by hand, I feel the pain.  The computer is the great leveler of the writing cramp condition.  By the way Bill Clinton penned the handwritten note.  Please don&#8217;t send me any T-shirt.  I don&#8217;t make enough money to contribute to my local NPR station (WNYC), and I have a ton of T-shirts.  Do I have to spell it out for you?  I DON&#8221;T WANT ANY T-SHIRT!!!!   My only regret is that I could not write this note in a cursive script, and I had to use this keyboard to write the words on the screen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Gruenke</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36901</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Gruenke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m struck by the difference in the rhythm of the conversation in this show from how it usually sounds.  Christopher Lydon&#039;s rhythm of speech have slowed and lengthened in response to the slower, longer lines of thought and expression of his guests.  This show normally sounds very email; tonight it sounds almost cursive.  

There&#039;s a lot to the graphologist&#039;s comments about cursive, rhythmic brain function, and ADD.  If the rhythm of this show isn&#039;t enough to demonstrate it, there&#039;s the work my fiance, a classical musician, does using rhythm and movement as a form of therapy with childeren with developmental disabilities.  The idea that learning to function in rhythm builds the ability to remember and predict and is foundational to all human function is an idea I see play out daily -- and this is something we learn through our interactions with the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m struck by the difference in the rhythm of the conversation in this show from how it usually sounds.  Christopher Lydon&#8217;s rhythm of speech have slowed and lengthened in response to the slower, longer lines of thought and expression of his guests.  This show normally sounds very email; tonight it sounds almost cursive.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot to the graphologist&#8217;s comments about cursive, rhythmic brain function, and ADD.  If the rhythm of this show isn&#8217;t enough to demonstrate it, there&#8217;s the work my fiance, a classical musician, does using rhythm and movement as a form of therapy with childeren with developmental disabilities.  The idea that learning to function in rhythm builds the ability to remember and predict and is foundational to all human function is an idea I see play out daily &#8212; and this is something we learn through our interactions with the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Malachi McCormick</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36900</link>
		<dc:creator>Malachi McCormick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve run a small press here in Staten island since 1980. My books are all handmade, and the originals are all done in calligraphy. My biggest book, &quot;Colum Cille&quot;, about St. Columba --himself a great calligrapher and book man-- is 30,000 words long. The calligraphy for it took me over two months. (The book won First Prize in the Bumbershoot Bookfair a few years ago --the only problem was that it was First Prize in the Letterpress section! I took that as a compliment, but was never really able to brag about it.)

I&#039;ve listened to your program with fascination and would have liked to call in but could find no phone number.
A few points I would contribute:
Cursive (ie &quot;running&quot; hand was the wonderful Italian Renaissance invention, sloping so it could be written with more speed than Columba&#039;s breathtaking Uncial.
The best calligraphy is &quot;invisible&quot; in the sense that nothing about it gets in the way of reading the text...

There&#039;s lots more that I will keep for another time. If people wish they can see my books at stonestreetpress.com

Thank you. Your show is the best thing (one of the few best things on radio, and Christopher is wonderful.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve run a small press here in Staten island since 1980. My books are all handmade, and the originals are all done in calligraphy. My biggest book, &#8220;Colum Cille&#8221;, about St. Columba &#8211;himself a great calligrapher and book man&#8211; is 30,000 words long. The calligraphy for it took me over two months. (The book won First Prize in the Bumbershoot Bookfair a few years ago &#8211;the only problem was that it was First Prize in the Letterpress section! I took that as a compliment, but was never really able to brag about it.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve listened to your program with fascination and would have liked to call in but could find no phone number.<br />
A few points I would contribute:<br />
Cursive (ie &#8220;running&#8221; hand was the wonderful Italian Renaissance invention, sloping so it could be written with more speed than Columba&#8217;s breathtaking Uncial.<br />
The best calligraphy is &#8220;invisible&#8221; in the sense that nothing about it gets in the way of reading the text&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s lots more that I will keep for another time. If people wish they can see my books at stonestreetpress.com</p>
<p>Thank you. Your show is the best thing (one of the few best things on radio, and Christopher is wonderful.)</p>
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		<title>By: pappy_leydon</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36899</link>
		<dc:creator>pappy_leydon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the point:
Wasn&#039;t it the ballpoint pen, rather than the computer, that did in cursive?
When I learned longhand in the late 70s it was already pointless, having been designed for fountain pen (and inkwell). Not that I&#039;m against either, but has anyone invented a cursive hand for the contemporary pen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the point:<br />
Wasn&#8217;t it the ballpoint pen, rather than the computer, that did in cursive?<br />
When I learned longhand in the late 70s it was already pointless, having been designed for fountain pen (and inkwell). Not that I&#8217;m against either, but has anyone invented a cursive hand for the contemporary pen?</p>
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		<title>By: rocksea5555</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36898</link>
		<dc:creator>rocksea5555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At age 60, my handwiritng is shot, not from age but from decades of keyboard use--typewriter in college and graduate school, then computers at work, home, the bank. My carpal tunnel is so bad, I can barely write any more. It makes me sad. As a medievalist, I study only handwiritten documents, and here I am unable to write a brief Christmas card...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At age 60, my handwiritng is shot, not from age but from decades of keyboard use&#8211;typewriter in college and graduate school, then computers at work, home, the bank. My carpal tunnel is so bad, I can barely write any more. It makes me sad. As a medievalist, I study only handwiritten documents, and here I am unable to write a brief Christmas card&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Yoav</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-2/#comment-36896</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can you help me out?  I&#039;m an immigrant, in the US for almost 20 years, English is my second language.  I can type a fine note on the computer, as well as read one, but can barely READ hand written notes.  Nor do I know the difference bt. long hand and short hand.  

Thanks,
Immigrant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can you help me out?  I&#8217;m an immigrant, in the US for almost 20 years, English is my second language.  I can type a fine note on the computer, as well as read one, but can barely READ hand written notes.  Nor do I know the difference bt. long hand and short hand.  </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Immigrant</p>
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		<title>By: jtheriault</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-1/#comment-36893</link>
		<dc:creator>jtheriault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This evening was my first opportunity to hear this show since being introduced to it by its Blogger in Chief when we met at BarCamp Manchester a couple weeks ago.  It wasn&#039;t until three quarters through that I resigned myself to the fact that the forum for public interaction is not the phonelines, but the blog.

So here are my thoughts that I was just aching to call in to share.

I agree with the panelists who say that cursive is changing, not dying.  The medium that it&#039;s leaving is the one that is apparently most beloved by those on the show: the letter.  Technology is in the process of completely supplanting the written word in communications between individuals.  This is because people always want to have a sense deep closeness when they converse with other people, and it take a great deal of discipline, much greater than I think the average person possesses, to understand that low latency between responses and a direct connection to another person&#039;s raw feed of thought is not intimacy.  It&#039;s simply instant.  Actual intimacy comes from communications that are sincere, not uncensored.  However I doubt that truth, except possibly in some distant future, will drive people to ask &quot;how r u?&quot; any less.

Not all hope is lost though, because there are still two major arenas where technology will never supply anything greater than what handwriting already provides.  The first is in face-to-face collaboration.  While Powerpoint and graph chart posters are a part of most business meetings, white boards and scratch pads are integral to so many more.  This is because they offer true instant gratificaiton.  There are no rules, no shortcut keys, no menu options to memorize.  There is only your mind, their attention and the white board.

The other area is in communication to yourself.  I won&#039;t speak so absolutely on this one, but for myself I find it impossible to properly organize my thoughts in the rigid demands of a piece of software.  Even when the software was written for thought organization, including a program I wrote for myself to do exactly this, it still cannot possibly hope to represent every product of my imagination in a way more intuitive than how I would commit it to paper.

It is this last thought that I want to use to refute the position of the gentleman who associated ADD and lack of hand-writing.  Allow me to myself forward as anecdotal eveidence to the contrary. I was diagnosed as having ADHD (not only can I not concentrate, I&#039;m apparently excited about it) at the very start of what will eventually be called an epidemic.  However from before that diagnosis to this very day, I organize my thoughts best, to the benefit of my professional and personal endeavors, when I write them down.  I have two three by four foot white boards in my home office to prove it.

Writing is not going away, because it is still the best technology for any number of tasks.  The real question in regards to cursive is will people accept this and enjoy and take pride in their writing, or will they regard it as a chore.  Until tonight&#039;s radio program I was solidly a matter of the latter camp, but now I&#039;m considering finding a handwriting coach to help me change my perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This evening was my first opportunity to hear this show since being introduced to it by its Blogger in Chief when we met at BarCamp Manchester a couple weeks ago.  It wasn&#8217;t until three quarters through that I resigned myself to the fact that the forum for public interaction is not the phonelines, but the blog.</p>
<p>So here are my thoughts that I was just aching to call in to share.</p>
<p>I agree with the panelists who say that cursive is changing, not dying.  The medium that it&#8217;s leaving is the one that is apparently most beloved by those on the show: the letter.  Technology is in the process of completely supplanting the written word in communications between individuals.  This is because people always want to have a sense deep closeness when they converse with other people, and it take a great deal of discipline, much greater than I think the average person possesses, to understand that low latency between responses and a direct connection to another person&#8217;s raw feed of thought is not intimacy.  It&#8217;s simply instant.  Actual intimacy comes from communications that are sincere, not uncensored.  However I doubt that truth, except possibly in some distant future, will drive people to ask &#8220;how r u?&#8221; any less.</p>
<p>Not all hope is lost though, because there are still two major arenas where technology will never supply anything greater than what handwriting already provides.  The first is in face-to-face collaboration.  While Powerpoint and graph chart posters are a part of most business meetings, white boards and scratch pads are integral to so many more.  This is because they offer true instant gratificaiton.  There are no rules, no shortcut keys, no menu options to memorize.  There is only your mind, their attention and the white board.</p>
<p>The other area is in communication to yourself.  I won&#8217;t speak so absolutely on this one, but for myself I find it impossible to properly organize my thoughts in the rigid demands of a piece of software.  Even when the software was written for thought organization, including a program I wrote for myself to do exactly this, it still cannot possibly hope to represent every product of my imagination in a way more intuitive than how I would commit it to paper.</p>
<p>It is this last thought that I want to use to refute the position of the gentleman who associated ADD and lack of hand-writing.  Allow me to myself forward as anecdotal eveidence to the contrary. I was diagnosed as having ADHD (not only can I not concentrate, I&#8217;m apparently excited about it) at the very start of what will eventually be called an epidemic.  However from before that diagnosis to this very day, I organize my thoughts best, to the benefit of my professional and personal endeavors, when I write them down.  I have two three by four foot white boards in my home office to prove it.</p>
<p>Writing is not going away, because it is still the best technology for any number of tasks.  The real question in regards to cursive is will people accept this and enjoy and take pride in their writing, or will they regard it as a chore.  Until tonight&#8217;s radio program I was solidly a matter of the latter camp, but now I&#8217;m considering finding a handwriting coach to help me change my perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dfriend:
Most likely they are pleased, but perhaps they are intimidated enough to post it up as a thank-you, rather than a true blown-away thing?

On the other hand, you may be on to someting.

Grins,

RW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dfriend:<br />
Most likely they are pleased, but perhaps they are intimidated enough to post it up as a thank-you, rather than a true blown-away thing?</p>
<p>On the other hand, you may be on to someting.</p>
<p>Grins,</p>
<p>RW</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Klein</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-1/#comment-36891</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I have a dinner party and someone sends me a handwritten thank you note, you can be sure they&#039;ll be invited back!  I don&#039;t care if their handwriting isn&#039;t beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I have a dinner party and someone sends me a handwritten thank you note, you can be sure they&#8217;ll be invited back!  I don&#8217;t care if their handwriting isn&#8217;t beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: dfriend</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-1/#comment-36889</link>
		<dc:creator>dfriend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading Margaret&#039;s book, The Art of the Handwritten Note, I bought a little box of note cards at at Cranes.  Now, when an employee does something that is above and beyond the call of duty, I send a little personal note of thanks.  People are just blown away!  They thank me for thanking them.  A year later you will still find these notes pinned to people&#039;s walls.  It is an amazing stealth weapon in business.  I do the same thing with vendors who put out extra effort.   It takes so little effort and it produces such amazing results, I&#039;m surprised that so few people do it.  Margaret&#039;s book does nice job of explaining all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading Margaret&#8217;s book, The Art of the Handwritten Note, I bought a little box of note cards at at Cranes.  Now, when an employee does something that is above and beyond the call of duty, I send a little personal note of thanks.  People are just blown away!  They thank me for thanking them.  A year later you will still find these notes pinned to people&#8217;s walls.  It is an amazing stealth weapon in business.  I do the same thing with vendors who put out extra effort.   It takes so little effort and it produces such amazing results, I&#8217;m surprised that so few people do it.  Margaret&#8217;s book does nice job of explaining all this.</p>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to do Calligraphy. Some Certificates, even some wedding invitations.
This all started when I was trying to make something that had the same (Roman, I know now) &#039;style&#039; as what I had on a magazine article about Napoleon. I was working as a cook at a restaurant and didn&#039;t get home until very late so I needed something quiet to wind down. ;-)
My Handwriting is dependent on the requirements. For work it is one thing, for official things it is another, and personal notes could be printed, or glorious Palmer-Method handwriting. (The nuns did that.) And I&#039;ve never taken a &#039;class&#039;, I just poked around with it.

Now the notes that I get, either with the hearts for dots on an &#039;i&#039; are nearly illegible. But they&#039;ve never been great, have they?

Grins,

RW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to do Calligraphy. Some Certificates, even some wedding invitations.<br />
This all started when I was trying to make something that had the same (Roman, I know now) &#8217;style&#8217; as what I had on a magazine article about Napoleon. I was working as a cook at a restaurant and didn&#8217;t get home until very late so I needed something quiet to wind down. <img src='http://www.radioopensource.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
My Handwriting is dependent on the requirements. For work it is one thing, for official things it is another, and personal notes could be printed, or glorious Palmer-Method handwriting. (The nuns did that.) And I&#8217;ve never taken a &#8216;class&#8217;, I just poked around with it.</p>
<p>Now the notes that I get, either with the hearts for dots on an &#8216;i&#8217; are nearly illegible. But they&#8217;ve never been great, have they?</p>
<p>Grins,</p>
<p>RW</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cant</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/curtains-for-cursive/comment-page-1/#comment-36887</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Cant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has the graphologist ever tried this experiment?  Get 10 or 12 people who know each other fairly well.  Get a writing sample from each and have them analyzed.  Then give each of the 10 or 12 folks the analyses and have each match a person to an analysis.  Can the graphologist produce a profile of an individual that can be &#039;recognized&#039; as that individual?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the graphologist ever tried this experiment?  Get 10 or 12 people who know each other fairly well.  Get a writing sample from each and have them analyzed.  Then give each of the 10 or 12 folks the analyses and have each match a person to an analysis.  Can the graphologist produce a profile of an individual that can be &#8216;recognized&#8217; as that individual?</p>
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