Comments on: Deploying. Again. http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:52:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jim Dearing http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89887 Jim Dearing Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:29:49 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89887 Seems to me that from the military peeps I have run into, they all seem to be gungho about doing their job over there..... <a href="http://www.glasstigerautomotivewindowtinting.com/home/atlanta-car-tinting.aspx" rel="nofollow">Atlanta Auto Tinting</a> Seems to me that from the military peeps I have run into, they all seem to be gungho about doing their job over there…..

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]]> By: DavidO http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89886 DavidO Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:23:12 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89886 I was kind of amazed to hear the hostility some people (like peggysue) have expressed about this show. (tbrucia struck me as incredibly unfeeling.) I was one of the 15,000 or so people on the Boston Common in October of 2002 protesting this rush to this disastrous war---but to dismiss these two men who have seen the horrors of war and, I felt, have tremendous compassion for both their fellow-Marines as well as the Iraqi people strikes me as incredibly arrogant and unfeeling. (I wonder indeed if peggysue and those who agree with her (would feel differently if we got the news that one or both of these guys were killed since this show.) Try reading the poetry of Wilfred Owen, who was an active member of the British army in WWI fighting the Germans, and was killed in France at the age of 24---these two guys on Open Source struck me as having the same kind of sober maturity about the price of war. True, I felt they ducked some of Chris's more probing questions about the justification for this war, but as active military personnel, I'm sure there are things they can't answer. And so they're Ivy Leaguers---so what? I remember Open Source doing a show where they interviewed some regular guys from very humble backgrounds, and that was fascinating, too. The thing that impresses me with these guys is that they do have a great future set out before them with all the advantages, and they choose to go back to Iraq. I think this is another valid viewpoint on the war, by people who've actually been there and seen it, and it should be heard. And a question for the Open Source staff: has there been any word about Mr. Moutlon and Mr. Campbell? I do hope they are still alive and well. I was kind of amazed to hear the hostility some people (like peggysue) have expressed about this show. (tbrucia struck me as incredibly unfeeling.) I was one of the 15,000 or so people on the Boston Common in October of 2002 protesting this rush to this disastrous war—but to dismiss these two men who have seen the horrors of war and, I felt, have tremendous compassion for both their fellow-Marines as well as the Iraqi people strikes me as incredibly arrogant and unfeeling. (I wonder indeed if peggysue and those who agree with her (would feel differently if we got the news that one or both of these guys were killed since this show.) Try reading the poetry of Wilfred Owen, who was an active member of the British army in WWI fighting the Germans, and was killed in France at the age of 24—these two guys on Open Source struck me as having the same kind of sober maturity about the price of war. True, I felt they ducked some of Chris’s more probing questions about the justification for this war, but as active military personnel, I’m sure there are things they can’t answer. And so they’re Ivy Leaguers—so what? I remember Open Source doing a show where they interviewed some regular guys from very humble backgrounds, and that was fascinating, too. The thing that impresses me with these guys is that they do have a great future set out before them with all the advantages, and they choose to go back to Iraq. I think this is another valid viewpoint on the war, by people who’ve actually been there and seen it, and it should be heard.

And a question for the Open Source staff: has there been any word about Mr. Moutlon and Mr. Campbell? I do hope they are still alive and well.

]]> By: peggysue http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89885 peggysue Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:55:52 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89885 Marc & RR Sarcasm does not translate very well into email. Although, this show did reduce me to sarcasm too in my last post. (Yes, I was being sarcastic when I suggested tripling sales of potatoe chips was a fine example of national leadership). I mostly try to avoid it. It often does not come across and can leave the reader puzzled. Marc & RR

Sarcasm does not translate very well into email. Although, this show did reduce me to sarcasm too in my last post. (Yes, I was being sarcastic when I suggested tripling sales of potatoe chips was a fine example of national leadership). I mostly try to avoid it. It often does not come across and can leave the reader puzzled.

]]> By: RR Anderson http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89884 RR Anderson Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:15:54 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89884 Oh yeah? I can do even better than that. Ignorance in fewer words: ---------------------------------- MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! ---------------------------------- USA All The Way. Oh yeah? I can do even better than that. Ignorance in fewer words:

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

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USA All The Way.

]]> By: Marc McElroy http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89883 Marc McElroy Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:50:19 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89883 I just wrote a responce to RR's comment, but I deleted it. I've now convinced myself it's somone's idea of a joke. Can someone actually be that ignorant? In that few words? It's as if teams of linguists and scientists sat down and tried to find a phrase that could be the most: socially, politically, geo-politically, and gramatically incorect in the fewest words. It's like some kind of idiot's haiku. So, RR whoever you are, either I need to congratulate you, or you need your medication adjusted. I just wrote a responce to RR’s comment, but I deleted it. I’ve now convinced myself it’s somone’s idea of a joke.

Can someone actually be that ignorant? In that few words? It’s as if teams of linguists and scientists sat down and tried to find a phrase that could be the most: socially, politically, geo-politically, and gramatically incorect in the fewest words.

It’s like some kind of idiot’s haiku.

So, RR whoever you are, either I need to congratulate you, or you need your medication adjusted.

]]> By: RR Anderson http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89882 RR Anderson Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:28:51 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89882 Yay for moral Christian officers killing people in iraq. I'm glad they are killing people over there rather than having to kill people here at home. War is gay. Yay for moral Christian officers killing people in iraq. I’m glad they are killing people over there rather than having to kill people here at home.

War is gay.

]]> By: ElihuVedder http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89881 ElihuVedder Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:50:59 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89881 I enjoyed the show last evening. These were some thoughtful, well-spoken guys. There was kind of a stunning moment, though, when the one guest said that his purpose as a soldier was to protect and defend the Constitution and Chris Lydon asked in what way they were protecting the Constitution by occupying/democracy building/what have you Iraq. And the guest had nothing to say, then managed to change the subject. If these guys don't have an answer for this, it is rather shocking. This should be a standard question for everyone involved, from the president on down. In WWII, we did face an existential threat; in Korea and Vietnam, maybe some believed we faced an existential threat to our Constitution and form of government. But does anyone believe that anyone in Iraq poses an existential threat to our Constitution? I enjoyed the show last evening. These were some thoughtful, well-spoken guys. There was kind of a stunning moment, though, when the one guest said that his purpose as a soldier was to protect and defend the Constitution and Chris Lydon asked in what way they were protecting the Constitution by occupying/democracy building/what have you Iraq. And the guest had nothing to say, then managed to change the subject. If these guys don’t have an answer for this, it is rather shocking. This should be a standard question for everyone involved, from the president on down. In WWII, we did face an existential threat; in Korea and Vietnam, maybe some believed we faced an existential threat to our Constitution and form of government. But does anyone believe that anyone in Iraq poses an existential threat to our Constitution?

]]> By: mr. closets http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89880 mr. closets Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:32:44 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89880 We have no one else to blame but ourselves for electing "this" party to office... again! when we know what to expect from them. Republicans are suppose to start lucrative wars, cut taxes for big business, etc., thats what they do. It's a black-n-white, good-guy vs. bad-guy, with us or against us ...mob mentality. That's how they manipulate the "masses". The job of us quasi-educated working class slobs is to get off the couch and go vote so that we don't have to see our kid's go die in yet another hell hole backwater like Iraq. We have no one else to blame but ourselves for electing “this” party to office… again! when we know what to expect from them. Republicans are suppose to start lucrative wars, cut taxes for big business, etc., thats what they do. It’s a black-n-white, good-guy vs. bad-guy, with us or against us …mob mentality. That’s how they manipulate the “masses”. The job of us quasi-educated working class slobs is to get off the couch and go vote so that we don’t have to see our kid’s go die in yet another hell hole backwater like Iraq.

]]> By: peggysue http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89879 peggysue Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:22:37 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89879 Not to mention the goal of tripling the sales of potatoe chips in a nation where heart disease is a killer and obesity epidemic. Yeah, that's real leadership all right. Not to mention the goal of tripling the sales of potatoe chips in a nation where heart disease is a killer and obesity epidemic. Yeah, that’s real leadership all right.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/deploying-again/#comment-89878 Potter Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:00:44 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1096#comment-89878 <b>Sidewalker</b>-Good questions. I tossed and turned last night. I thought Chris was good because he held firm behind the questions but allowed the guests to reveal themselves. He did not use the guest to give his own views which were plenty evident through the questions. I would rather know than not know about this mindset.. it answers my questions about how anyone would sign up or go. Iraq is so tragically apart now, spilling more and more into the surrounding countries, that it will take decades and many lost lives, lost innocent lives, ours and many more of theirs for things to calm down if they can be calmed down. Last night one of the generals was on the Newshour, a show that is increasingly a vehicle for the administration it seems. He was already warning, asking for more time to see if this surge is working, more time than September the targeted month of reckoning which was supposed to be early this summer. The very people Iraq will need to rebuild are leaving or have left for elsewhere. Hidden amongst them some are up to no good with cause. Iraqi's who are running are not allowed asylum here, probably for those very reasons and maybe racism, but for very small numbers. They crowd festering sores added to festering sores in the camps of Syria and Jordan. The longer we stay the more strength and training and motive we give to "the enemy" that we create as Iraq gets cleaned out of it’s saner more normal productive people, people who are not up for the madness and long haul. The job that the military has been given to me seems like trying to run up a down escalator. For these MBA's what matters it seems is that the leg muscles are in shape. That their families are living in anxiety over their choices and fates takes second to ambition recast as service. Can we as a country mature about what war or at least that shameful concept “optional war” accomplishes after the failures in Iraq are added to Viet Nam? Can we understand or even ask where real security comes from? I can sooner understand a doctor's decision to be on the battlefront. I understand better those "regular folk" <b>peggysue</b>; they have no better path open to them, though I wish they too would stop enlisting for this “madness” ( <b>Joshua Hendrickson</b>) Sidewalker-Good questions. I tossed and turned last night. I thought Chris was good because he held firm behind the questions but allowed the guests to reveal themselves. He did not use the guest to give his own views which were plenty evident through the questions. I would rather know than not know about this mindset.. it answers my questions about how anyone would sign up or go.

Iraq is so tragically apart now, spilling more and more into the surrounding countries, that it will take decades and many lost lives, lost innocent lives, ours and many more of theirs for things to calm down if they can be calmed down. Last night one of the generals was on the Newshour, a show that is increasingly a vehicle for the administration it seems. He was already warning, asking for more time to see if this surge is working, more time than September the targeted month of reckoning which was supposed to be early this summer.

The very people Iraq will need to rebuild are leaving or have left for elsewhere. Hidden amongst them some are up to no good with cause. Iraqi’s who are running are not allowed asylum here, probably for those very reasons and maybe racism, but for very small numbers. They crowd festering sores added to festering sores in the camps of Syria and Jordan. The longer we stay the more strength and training and motive we give to “the enemy” that we create as Iraq gets cleaned out of it’s saner more normal productive people, people who are not up for the madness and long haul.

The job that the military has been given to me seems like trying to run up a down escalator. For these MBA’s what matters it seems is that the leg muscles are in shape. That their families are living in anxiety over their choices and fates takes second to ambition recast as service.

Can we as a country mature about what war or at least that shameful concept “optional war” accomplishes after the failures in Iraq are added to Viet Nam? Can we understand or even ask where real security comes from?

I can sooner understand a doctor’s decision to be on the battlefront.

I understand better those “regular folk” peggysue; they have no better path open to them, though I wish they too would stop enlisting for this “madness” ( Joshua Hendrickson)

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