Comments on: Doping: Better Sporting Through Chemistry? http://www.radioopensource.org/doping-better-sporting-through-chemistry/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:09:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Did Greg LeMond Ride Clean? « Bikezilla http://www.radioopensource.org/doping-better-sporting-through-chemistry/#comment-127549 Did Greg LeMond Ride Clean? « Bikezilla Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:28:27 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1130#comment-127549 [...] a Radio Open Source Pod Cast that includes about a ten minute interview with Lemond. You’ll find him at around 25:23 [...] [...] a Radio Open Source Pod Cast that includes about a ten minute interview with Lemond. You’ll find him at around 25:23 [...]

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]]> By: justinhertog http://www.radioopensource.org/doping-better-sporting-through-chemistry/#comment-90558 justinhertog Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:27:31 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1130#comment-90558 Great show. Very thought provoking and informative. Did one of the guests mentioned an athlete who had prosthetic legs but wanted to compete against runners without them? It made me think of an article I read in the NY Times about an athlete (I think he was a vet) who had these high tech prosthetic feet. Anyway, I think the article raised the question of what will happen if this guy is able to break a speed record. While I have respect for the other point of view, I don't think it's inherently wrong for athletes to want to explore the boundaries of human potential using steroids. I do think, however, that it's wrong for them to hide their use and lie about it. At the same time, I believe that we need to get over the idea of athletes being walking PSAs telling the kids to stay in school and off drugs. Athletes are not by definition role models for a particular political point of view (unless they choose to be). I remember when Gary Kasparov lost his chess match to Deep Blue about ten years ago, he said that he believed that in the future chess players would work with computers to push the game of chess forward. So future matches would be against human-computer teams. I took that to mean that he thought it was not "cheating" to use a computer. I see that attitude as far more optimistic and forward thinking than trying to keep people from experimenting with technology to achieve greater heights. Great show. Very thought provoking and informative. Did one of the guests mentioned an athlete who had prosthetic legs but wanted to compete against runners without them? It made me think of an article I read in the NY Times about an athlete (I think he was a vet) who had these high tech prosthetic feet. Anyway, I think the article raised the question of what will happen if this guy is able to break a speed record.

While I have respect for the other point of view, I don’t think it’s inherently wrong for athletes to want to explore the boundaries of human potential using steroids. I do think, however, that it’s wrong for them to hide their use and lie about it. At the same time, I believe that we need to get over the idea of athletes being walking PSAs telling the kids to stay in school and off drugs. Athletes are not by definition role models for a particular political point of view (unless they choose to be).

I remember when Gary Kasparov lost his chess match to Deep Blue about ten years ago, he said that he believed that in the future chess players would work with computers to push the game of chess forward. So future matches would be against human-computer teams. I took that to mean that he thought it was not “cheating” to use a computer. I see that attitude as far more optimistic and forward thinking than trying to keep people from experimenting with technology to achieve greater heights.

]]> By: rc21 http://www.radioopensource.org/doping-better-sporting-through-chemistry/#comment-90557 rc21 Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:54:04 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1130#comment-90557 Katemcshane. A few points I'm not sure what racism has to do with this topic other than the fact that Bonds is a racist. As to Chris saying he did not know Bonds well enough to make a judgement against him. That has to be one of the most disingenuous comments I have ever heard. First Bonds has admitted taking steroids so Chris does not have to know Bonds. second if he researched the topic he would know that there is overwhelming evidence that points to the fact that Bonds was a heavy user of steroids. Does Chris feel he should not make judgements on any person he does not know. I suppose he really can't comment as to wheather Charles Manson is a good guy or not because he doesn't know him. Give me a break. Katemcshane.

A few points I’m not sure what racism has to do with this topic other than the fact that Bonds is a racist.

As to Chris saying he did not know Bonds well enough to make a judgement against him. That has to be one of the most disingenuous comments I have ever heard. First Bonds has admitted taking steroids so Chris does not have to know Bonds. second if he researched the topic he would know that there is overwhelming evidence that points to the fact that Bonds was a heavy user of steroids.

Does Chris feel he should not make judgements on any person he does not know. I suppose he really can’t comment as to wheather Charles Manson is a good guy or not because he doesn’t know him.

Give me a break.

]]> By: katemcshane http://www.radioopensource.org/doping-better-sporting-through-chemistry/#comment-90556 katemcshane Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:34:01 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1130#comment-90556 As someone who knows almost nothing about this subject, as a person who grew up with five brothers who were wonderful, but shut me out of sports, along with my father -- I used to buy baseball books for my brothers during the summers when I was taken to the Jersey shore by relatives (the disadvantaged child taken along with their children). I would receive a few dollars to spend during the week, and I used it to buy mass market biographies of baseball players. I was always horribly homesick, and I took care of myself by reading these biographies. So, even though I've never been to a baseball game, I have intense feeling about the men, because when you've been crying on the rented porch at night, hoping to get home, and wanting to understand why your brothers love this game, all of it comes together in your psyche, to become an intensely wonderful experience of life in this world. I loved this show. My favorite moment was when Chris said that he didn't know Barry Bonds well enough to make a judgment against him. I'm always on the lookout for racism in this country and I count on Chris to make a comment against it. I wouldn't presume to say what policy should be decreed. I liked Greg Lemond a lot. I wish the powers that be would create policy that would allow men to play the game, sans drugs. I feel like my generation opened a door to drugs in all of life that isn't going to be shut for a long time. It's a shame. As someone who knows almost nothing about this subject, as a person who grew up with five brothers who were wonderful, but shut me out of sports, along with my father — I used to buy baseball books for my brothers during the summers when I was taken to the Jersey shore by relatives (the disadvantaged child taken along with their children). I would receive a few dollars to spend during the week, and I used it to buy mass market biographies of baseball players. I was always horribly homesick, and I took care of myself by reading these biographies. So, even though I’ve never been to a baseball game, I have intense feeling about the men, because when you’ve been crying on the rented porch at night, hoping to get home, and wanting to understand why your brothers love this game, all of it comes together in your psyche, to become an intensely wonderful experience of life in this world. I loved this show. My favorite moment was when Chris said that he didn’t know Barry Bonds well enough to make a judgment against him. I’m always on the lookout for racism in this country and I count on Chris to make a comment against it. I wouldn’t presume to say what policy should be decreed. I liked Greg Lemond a lot. I wish the powers that be would create policy that would allow men to play the game, sans drugs. I feel like my generation opened a door to drugs in all of life that isn’t going to be shut for a long time. It’s a shame.

]]> By: rc21 http://www.radioopensource.org/doping-better-sporting-through-chemistry/#comment-90555 rc21 Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:26:09 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1130#comment-90555 Oscar Pistorious has run 46.87 for 400 meters this currently ranks him 7th in S. Africa. Not quite world class but not to far away. He runs with 2 special prosthesis for his legs. IAAF has banned him from competing with non disabled athletes. They feel this could open a pandoras box. One official said he could see the day when some one would want to compete with an apparatus that would allow him to fly. Oscar Pistorious has run 46.87 for 400 meters this currently ranks him 7th in S. Africa. Not quite world class but not to far away. He runs with 2 special prosthesis for his legs. IAAF has banned him from competing with non disabled athletes.

They feel this could open a pandoras box. One official said he could see the day when some one would want to compete with an apparatus that would allow him to fly.

]]> By: rc21 http://www.radioopensource.org/doping-better-sporting-through-chemistry/#comment-90554 rc21 Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:21:39 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1130#comment-90554 They have special olympics for the people you are talking about. Actually a man from South Africa has run some great times with 2 leg attachments. The IOOC has ruled him ineligable for the participation against those who of normal body type. They have special olympics for the people you are talking about.

Actually a man from South Africa has run some great times with 2 leg attachments. The IOOC has ruled him ineligable for the participation against those who of normal body type.

]]> By: mulp http://www.radioopensource.org/doping-better-sporting-through-chemistry/#comment-90553 mulp Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:08:11 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1130#comment-90553 As I was listening to your intro, I almost switched channels, until you asked whether the rules should be changed to allow the use of drugs to achieve greater performance. Well, how about allowing someone with a leg blown off by an landmine in Iraq to compete with a prosthesis (and I have an interest in robotics with such things being one of the best real markets)? And if a person with legs blown off by landmines can achieve mind blowing performance, why should an athlete be prohibited from having his legs cut off so that he can install the state of the art prosthesis? As I was listening to your intro, I almost switched channels, until you asked whether the rules should be changed to allow the use of drugs to achieve greater performance.

Well, how about allowing someone with a leg blown off by an landmine in Iraq to compete with a prosthesis (and I have an interest in robotics with such things being one of the best real markets)?

And if a person with legs blown off by landmines can achieve mind blowing performance, why should an athlete be prohibited from having his legs cut off so that he can install the state of the art prosthesis?

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