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		<title>By: What Radio Open Source Should Do &#171; Disparate</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Radio Open Source Should Do &#171; Disparate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] f the show. As a semi-disclaimer, I did pitch several ideas. The one of my ideas which was picked up was completely transformed from my original idea. Nothing wrong with that  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Weinstein</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/france-the-sarko-v-sgo-prism/#comment-88567</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weinstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 07:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the election is done, I have a few comments about it.  As a Francophile, I am very disappointed with the French majority who voted in Sarko.  There is a rich French expression, &quot;prendre les gens pour les gogos.&quot;  Translation, &quot;Take people for slobbering idiots.&quot;  But it is untranslatable, the word &quot;gogo,&quot; has such humor and derision in it.  I think Sarko, with his double speak, saying one thing and its opposite at the same time on so many issues, his veiled racist remarks, while insisting that he is the straight talker, is a classic example of taking people for &quot;gogos.&quot;



I have always thought that the French were astute politically, more interested and analytical about politics than us.  This could happen in America with George Bush with his false populism and peity, but in France where discussing politics runs just behind le football as the national pastime?  What happened here?  The French pride themselves as being more knowlegeable and connected to history that the average American.  It&#039;s been only barely more than forty years since the European fascist dictators were defeated with horribly shameful and disasterous consequences for France, Germany and Italy (I inculde France with the Vichy government).  C&#039;est trop gros, as the French say.



Certainly one has to lay part of the blame at the feet of the French left with its lack of new ideas and perhaps not being sufficently in touch enough with the everyday concerns of the French voter despite fundamentally desiring to make the life of the average citizen better.  I think the riots of 2005 frightened the French more than anyone realized, and Sarko deftly played on these fears.  The irony for those who rioted, and thought they could create social change through violence, is that Sarko et al will do nothing to ease their plight, perhaps even tighten the screws, while royale would have at least tried.



Or is it the fault of TV?  Are the French watching too much of &quot;Star Academie?&quot;  Did Sarko understand the power of the modern media to brainwash the population a l&#039;americaine?



So what are the French in for? Here is a a link I got from some French friends with interviews with professionals in their respective fields, academic and experts getting to the heart of what Sarko will try to achieve in sixteen different social/economic/governmental areas from medical care, to education to social services.  He looks to be Maggie Thatcher on speed with a solid dose of old fashioned greed and the Hungarian Iron Cross thrown in:  www.lautrecampagne/refuatations.php



In the end, I think that a more compassionate, humanistic, intelligent and forward looking center will arise in France perhaps on the left a la Tony Blair&#039;s New Labor (apologies to those who don&#039;t like anglo-French comaprisons) or Bayreux&#039;s center right that is humanistic as well.  So I think all&#039;s well that ends well.  I&#039;m sorry that the French will have to go through such a painful learning curve.  C&#039;est dommage, c&#039;est vraiment tres dommage.  I also think the French will have to come to terms with the large Muslim population living in France, accept them into their society, even when so many are relegated to projects in the suburbs, and that the Muslims will have to find a way to be both Muslim and French.



But I will end on an optimistic note, and will take the risk of comapring the States and France:  We are the first two democracies in the modern world, where human rights, the rule of law, and the freedoms and repsonsibilities of each citizen are at the heart of this great social experiment and evolution of mankind.  And as long as freedom beats in the hearts of its citizens both great nations will survive and remain lights to the world.



Vive la France!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the election is done, I have a few comments about it.  As a Francophile, I am very disappointed with the French majority who voted in Sarko.  There is a rich French expression, &#8220;prendre les gens pour les gogos.&#8221;  Translation, &#8220;Take people for slobbering idiots.&#8221;  But it is untranslatable, the word &#8220;gogo,&#8221; has such humor and derision in it.  I think Sarko, with his double speak, saying one thing and its opposite at the same time on so many issues, his veiled racist remarks, while insisting that he is the straight talker, is a classic example of taking people for &#8220;gogos.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have always thought that the French were astute politically, more interested and analytical about politics than us.  This could happen in America with George Bush with his false populism and peity, but in France where discussing politics runs just behind le football as the national pastime?  What happened here?  The French pride themselves as being more knowlegeable and connected to history that the average American.  It&#8217;s been only barely more than forty years since the European fascist dictators were defeated with horribly shameful and disasterous consequences for France, Germany and Italy (I inculde France with the Vichy government).  C&#8217;est trop gros, as the French say.</p>
<p>Certainly one has to lay part of the blame at the feet of the French left with its lack of new ideas and perhaps not being sufficently in touch enough with the everyday concerns of the French voter despite fundamentally desiring to make the life of the average citizen better.  I think the riots of 2005 frightened the French more than anyone realized, and Sarko deftly played on these fears.  The irony for those who rioted, and thought they could create social change through violence, is that Sarko et al will do nothing to ease their plight, perhaps even tighten the screws, while royale would have at least tried.</p>
<p>Or is it the fault of TV?  Are the French watching too much of &#8220;Star Academie?&#8221;  Did Sarko understand the power of the modern media to brainwash the population a l&#8217;americaine?</p>
<p>So what are the French in for? Here is a a link I got from some French friends with interviews with professionals in their respective fields, academic and experts getting to the heart of what Sarko will try to achieve in sixteen different social/economic/governmental areas from medical care, to education to social services.  He looks to be Maggie Thatcher on speed with a solid dose of old fashioned greed and the Hungarian Iron Cross thrown in:  <a  href="http://www.lautrecampagne/refuatations.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.lautrecampagne/refuatations.php</a></p>
<p>In the end, I think that a more compassionate, humanistic, intelligent and forward looking center will arise in France perhaps on the left a la Tony Blair&#8217;s New Labor (apologies to those who don&#8217;t like anglo-French comaprisons) or Bayreux&#8217;s center right that is humanistic as well.  So I think all&#8217;s well that ends well.  I&#8217;m sorry that the French will have to go through such a painful learning curve.  C&#8217;est dommage, c&#8217;est vraiment tres dommage.  I also think the French will have to come to terms with the large Muslim population living in France, accept them into their society, even when so many are relegated to projects in the suburbs, and that the Muslims will have to find a way to be both Muslim and French.</p>
<p>But I will end on an optimistic note, and will take the risk of comapring the States and France:  We are the first two democracies in the modern world, where human rights, the rule of law, and the freedoms and repsonsibilities of each citizen are at the heart of this great social experiment and evolution of mankind.  And as long as freedom beats in the hearts of its citizens both great nations will survive and remain lights to the world.</p>
<p>Vive la France!</p>
<p>Vive la Liberte!</p>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
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		<dc:creator>rc21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cohens comments say more about him and his ilk than they do about Sarkozy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cohens comments say more about him and his ilk than they do about Sarkozy.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plnelson, you&#039;re totally right. If a commenter wrote ugly language like Cohen&#039;s about a member of the ROS community, we&#039;d delete the comment.



We do have more lenient rules for writing about public figures, however. Even so this may have crossed the line. We&#039;ll be more careful in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plnelson, you&#8217;re totally right. If a commenter wrote ugly language like Cohen&#8217;s about a member of the ROS community, we&#8217;d delete the comment.</p>
<p>We do have more lenient rules for writing about public figures, however. Even so this may have crossed the line. We&#8217;ll be more careful in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: plnelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>plnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel Cohen wroteb this ?!

&lt;i&gt;So if on Sunday the French elect a short, brutal, far right, desperately ambitioius, unattractive Hungarian-Jewish cuckolded mongrel &lt;/i&gt;



He should limit his comments to early music.   The sort of childish tantrum of character assassination is beneath his dignity and if any of us postd comments like that on ROS about any of the other participants we&#039;d be banned.  That&#039;s the last time &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; go to a Boston Camerata concert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel Cohen wroteb this ?!</p>
<p><i>So if on Sunday the French elect a short, brutal, far right, desperately ambitioius, unattractive Hungarian-Jewish cuckolded mongrel </i></p>
<p>He should limit his comments to early music.   The sort of childish tantrum of character assassination is beneath his dignity and if any of us postd comments like that on ROS about any of the other participants we&#8217;d be banned.  That&#8217;s the last time <b>I</b> go to a Boston Camerata concert.</p>
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		<title>By: plnelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>plnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ok, but how many of your fellow citizens are beeing â€œbrainwashedâ€ by this crap? Youâ€™re just turning a blind eye to the real question which is, why those who do not watch TV are mainly well educated,&lt;/i&gt;



Maybe by turning off the TV they have more time to read a book and become educated?



No one, in France or the USA, holds a gun to anyone&#039;s head and forces them to watch TV.    And wealth is the RESULT of being educated, not the other way around.   Education in France is free, or close to it, anyway, so income should be no barrier to education.   And I&#039;m sorry to keep harping on the Jews and Chinese in the US but both groups were &lt;b&gt;very poor&lt;/b&gt; when they came to the US but they raised their children to respect scholarship, teachers, and education, and today both groups have higher levels of educational achievement than the average for the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ok, but how many of your fellow citizens are beeing â€œbrainwashedâ€ by this crap? Youâ€™re just turning a blind eye to the real question which is, why those who do not watch TV are mainly well educated,</i></p>
<p>Maybe by turning off the TV they have more time to read a book and become educated?</p>
<p>No one, in France or the USA, holds a gun to anyone&#8217;s head and forces them to watch TV.    And wealth is the RESULT of being educated, not the other way around.   Education in France is free, or close to it, anyway, so income should be no barrier to education.   And I&#8217;m sorry to keep harping on the Jews and Chinese in the US but both groups were <b>very poor</b> when they came to the US but they raised their children to respect scholarship, teachers, and education, and today both groups have higher levels of educational achievement than the average for the US.</p>
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		<title>By: plnelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>plnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And a huge difference between the treatment of Chinese immigrants, African Americans,â€¦ in the US; immigrants (of all origins) are WELL treated and supported in France (free education, free health care, housing, ectâ€¦ like for any French). &lt;/i&gt;



Which makes their behavior even &lt;b&gt;less&lt;/b&gt; excusable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And a huge difference between the treatment of Chinese immigrants, African Americans,â€¦ in the US; immigrants (of all origins) are WELL treated and supported in France (free education, free health care, housing, ectâ€¦ like for any French). </i></p>
<p>Which makes their behavior even <b>less</b> excusable.</p>
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		<title>By: tbrucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbrucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 13:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to a discussion like this regarding the Spanish regional and local elections scheduled for May 27, 2007... http://www.citymayors.com/politics/spain-elections-07.html .  Unlike the rather boring confrontation in France, the Spanish elections feature &quot;the governmentâ€™s response to terrorism by ETA, the Basque region&#039;s separatist movement, and well-publicised cases of corruption in local politics&quot;.  (Is that the sound of rapt attention and excitement that I hear throbbing across the net?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to a discussion like this regarding the Spanish regional and local elections scheduled for May 27, 2007&#8230; <a  href="http://www.citymayors.com/politics/spain-elections-07.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.citymayors.com/politics/spain-elections-07.html</a> .  Unlike the rather boring confrontation in France, the Spanish elections feature &#8220;the governmentâ€™s response to terrorism by ETA, the Basque region&#8217;s separatist movement, and well-publicised cases of corruption in local politics&#8221;.  (Is that the sound of rapt attention and excitement that I hear throbbing across the net?)</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandre Enkerli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandre Enkerli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 20:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would have been interesting to have Jacques Attali on the program, One of his recent blog entries (in French) on the &quot;debate&quot;:

http://blogs.lexpress.fr/attali/2007/05/merci.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would have been interesting to have Jacques Attali on the program, One of his recent blog entries (in French) on the &#8220;debate&#8221;:</p>
<p><a  href="http://blogs.lexpress.fr/attali/2007/05/merci.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.lexpress.fr/attali/2007/05/merci.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Garuffo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garuffo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 11:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dkr&gt; Sorry but Gillet was just looking at the figures. I quote (and poorly translate) Le Monde:



&quot;Young people vote Royal, elder persons Sarkozy. It&#039;s among electors between 18 and 24 that Royal made her best outcomes. According to the Sofres, more than a third of this age range gave her their ballots. It&#039;s nine points more than her national average. In the same age range only 19% of the electors voted her UMP contender, 12 points less than his national 31%. UDF Bayrou is barely doing better while the Front National candidate followed with 8%. The more the age rank increase, the more the electors support Sarkozy: among French people above 65, 44% of the electors chose the right-wing candidate.&quot;



This is not polls, this is results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dkr&gt; Sorry but Gillet was just looking at the figures. I quote (and poorly translate) Le Monde:</p>
<p>&#8220;Young people vote Royal, elder persons Sarkozy. It&#8217;s among electors between 18 and 24 that Royal made her best outcomes. According to the Sofres, more than a third of this age range gave her their ballots. It&#8217;s nine points more than her national average. In the same age range only 19% of the electors voted her UMP contender, 12 points less than his national 31%. UDF Bayrou is barely doing better while the Front National candidate followed with 8%. The more the age rank increase, the more the electors support Sarkozy: among French people above 65, 44% of the electors chose the right-wing candidate.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not polls, this is results.</p>
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