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		<title>By: Marc McElroy</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85638</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc McElroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something not covered in the show:  Russia turns on a dime, and with flair.    From launching False Demetri back to Poland in a canon, moving your capital city to a swamp outside of your county&#039;s proper borders, to the Communist Revolution, to the fall of the SU, and the assent of Putin, it&#039;s always dramatic, and always a surprise.



Also, the stat in the show that only 8% of Russians have internet is, well, wrong, it has to be.   Use of the internet is wide spread, and growing.   The stat must be old, and the internet is growing in leaps and bounds here.    Here in Moscow they have the beginings of city wi-fi.. it&#039;s for pay, but costs less then Verizon, and it currently covers the center, and now even some outlying regions, including my remote Uzni-Izmaylovo.



Hereâ€™s a map of coverage:  http://www.goldenwifi.ru/en/where/



DSL and cable internet are also available everywhere in the city, it&#039;s exploding, and don&#039;t underestimate it or the ability of the Russians to grab hold of it.   Take for example the fact that the Russians have taken to the cell phone like a fish to water.    Little children have cell phones, I saw a bum stealing half eaten burgers off of empty tables at McDonalds who had a cell phone!   I can&#039;t prove it worked, but he was using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something not covered in the show:  Russia turns on a dime, and with flair.    From launching False Demetri back to Poland in a canon, moving your capital city to a swamp outside of your county&#8217;s proper borders, to the Communist Revolution, to the fall of the SU, and the assent of Putin, it&#8217;s always dramatic, and always a surprise.</p>
<p>Also, the stat in the show that only 8% of Russians have internet is, well, wrong, it has to be.   Use of the internet is wide spread, and growing.   The stat must be old, and the internet is growing in leaps and bounds here.    Here in Moscow they have the beginings of city wi-fi.. it&#8217;s for pay, but costs less then Verizon, and it currently covers the center, and now even some outlying regions, including my remote Uzni-Izmaylovo.</p>
<p>Hereâ€™s a map of coverage:  <a  href="http://www.goldenwifi.ru/en/where/" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldenwifi.ru/en/where/</a></p>
<p>DSL and cable internet are also available everywhere in the city, it&#8217;s exploding, and don&#8217;t underestimate it or the ability of the Russians to grab hold of it.   Take for example the fact that the Russians have taken to the cell phone like a fish to water.    Little children have cell phones, I saw a bum stealing half eaten burgers off of empty tables at McDonalds who had a cell phone!   I can&#8217;t prove it worked, but he was using it.</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85637</link>
		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///....red-faced fools on TV...\\\



More commonly referred to as the &#039;freak show&#039;.



If Ann Coulter doesnâ€™t wind up in an institution soon....



Hey look at new topic !

Legal Limbo at Guantanamo?



â€œunlawful enemy combatantsâ€ can be imprisoned indefinitely with no legal recourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///&#8230;.red-faced fools on TV&#8230;\\\</p>
<p>More commonly referred to as the &#8216;freak show&#8217;.</p>
<p>If Ann Coulter doesnâ€™t wind up in an institution soon&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hey look at new topic !</p>
<p>Legal Limbo at Guantanamo?</p>
<p>â€œunlawful enemy combatantsâ€ can be imprisoned indefinitely with no legal recourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85636</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing since 9/11that &lt;i&gt;hasnâ€™t&lt;/i&gt; changed: many Americans (but not all) are only happy to continue to believe â€“ even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary â€“ all the jingo from our junior high government classes disguised as â€˜educationâ€™ and consistently mischaracterized by shouting red-faced fools on TV and radio as â€˜patriotismâ€™.

Sourly,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing since 9/11that <i>hasnâ€™t</i> changed: many Americans (but not all) are only happy to continue to believe â€“ even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary â€“ all the jingo from our junior high government classes disguised as â€˜educationâ€™ and consistently mischaracterized by shouting red-faced fools on TV and radio as â€˜patriotismâ€™.</p>
<p>Sourly,</p>
<p>N</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85635</link>
		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>////Yes suspected terrorists and people who have tried to kill US citizens have been rounded up and jailed. I see no problem with this.\\\



Huge evidentiary and the right-to-redress problem:



///He claimed that &quot;many of the detainees at the prison are actually innocent of any acts against the coalition and are being held until the bureaucracy there can go through their cases and verify their need to be released.&quot; - Torin Nelson, who served as a military intelligence officer at GuantÃ¡namo Bay before moving to Abu Ghraib as a private contractor last year.\\\



Regardless of her over-the-top assertions,  I have to say that I  laud peggysueâ€™s activist role in our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>////Yes suspected terrorists and people who have tried to kill US citizens have been rounded up and jailed. I see no problem with this.\\\</p>
<p>Huge evidentiary and the right-to-redress problem:</p>
<p>///He claimed that &#8220;many of the detainees at the prison are actually innocent of any acts against the coalition and are being held until the bureaucracy there can go through their cases and verify their need to be released.&#8221; &#8211; Torin Nelson, who served as a military intelligence officer at GuantÃ¡namo Bay before moving to Abu Ghraib as a private contractor last year.\\\</p>
<p>Regardless of her over-the-top assertions,  I have to say that I  laud peggysueâ€™s activist role in our society.</p>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85634</link>
		<dc:creator>rc21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it when the likes of peggysue and others post such over the top statements about their lack of freedom and how Bush has turned the US into a police state. The fact is nothing could be further from the truth. Anti war protests take place on an almost daily basis. No one has been arrested or prosecuted for protesting the war.



No one has been jailed for supporting environment friendly policies.People have been arrested for destroying private property, arson, vandalism, and spikeing trees in an attempt to injure and kill loggers. These things are commonly refered to as crimes.



Yes suspected terrorists and people who have tried to kill US citizens have been rounded up and jailed.  I see no problem with this.



My favorite  silly comment was peggysues post where she hoped the 2008 elections( assuming they would be held) will be more than a theatre to part the curtain for the next phase of Americas further desent into fascism.



 Do you know something the rest of us dont? What leads you to believe there will be no elections?  Next phase of Fascism--Please ! What are you talking about? Do you really know what fascism is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when the likes of peggysue and others post such over the top statements about their lack of freedom and how Bush has turned the US into a police state. The fact is nothing could be further from the truth. Anti war protests take place on an almost daily basis. No one has been arrested or prosecuted for protesting the war.</p>
<p>No one has been jailed for supporting environment friendly policies.People have been arrested for destroying private property, arson, vandalism, and spikeing trees in an attempt to injure and kill loggers. These things are commonly refered to as crimes.</p>
<p>Yes suspected terrorists and people who have tried to kill US citizens have been rounded up and jailed.  I see no problem with this.</p>
<p>My favorite  silly comment was peggysues post where she hoped the 2008 elections( assuming they would be held) will be more than a theatre to part the curtain for the next phase of Americas further desent into fascism.</p>
<p> Do you know something the rest of us dont? What leads you to believe there will be no elections?  Next phase of Fascism&#8211;Please ! What are you talking about? Do you really know what fascism is?</p>
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		<title>By: Sutter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85633</link>
		<dc:creator>Sutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I logged in expecting to find some actual argument from GVB.  Instead, I found a mix of ad hominem invective, bizarre assertions about what I believe (what exactly got you from what I said to IQ tests for voters??), and odd internal contradictions  (you suggest that I&#039;m repeating that which has already been said over and over, but you also suggest that I&#039;m espousing some novel view of democracy that you are not bright enough to grasp -- which is it?).  I teach advocacy to law students.  One of the basic lessons of advocacy is that when your discussant hasn&#039;t said anything that warrants a response, you should not respond.  With that in mind, I&#039;m happy to rest on the merits and let the members of the audience come to their own conclusions based on what has already been said above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I logged in expecting to find some actual argument from GVB.  Instead, I found a mix of ad hominem invective, bizarre assertions about what I believe (what exactly got you from what I said to IQ tests for voters??), and odd internal contradictions  (you suggest that I&#8217;m repeating that which has already been said over and over, but you also suggest that I&#8217;m espousing some novel view of democracy that you are not bright enough to grasp &#8212; which is it?).  I teach advocacy to law students.  One of the basic lessons of advocacy is that when your discussant hasn&#8217;t said anything that warrants a response, you should not respond.  With that in mind, I&#8217;m happy to rest on the merits and let the members of the audience come to their own conclusions based on what has already been said above.</p>
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		<title>By: GodzillaVsBambi</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85632</link>
		<dc:creator>GodzillaVsBambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Igor Says: And on the domestic front, Putin obviously cannot admit that heâ€™s selling out to Europe (mostly Germany) and China, so the rhetoric is of strong posture against USA, again, quite predictably.



Interesting comment, but, quite predictably, not totally honest. â€œRoobak roobaka vediâ€™t azdelikahâ€. Good luck ... your gonna need it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Igor Says: And on the domestic front, Putin obviously cannot admit that heâ€™s selling out to Europe (mostly Germany) and China, so the rhetoric is of strong posture against USA, again, quite predictably.</p>
<p>Interesting comment, but, quite predictably, not totally honest. â€œRoobak roobaka vediâ€™t azdelikahâ€. Good luck &#8230; your gonna need it!</p>
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		<title>By: GodzillaVsBambi</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85631</link>
		<dc:creator>GodzillaVsBambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peggysue Says: you surely do not mean to imply that painting is a benign activity?



Yes, I did mean to imply that.



By all means ... paint! What Iâ€™m sayin is when midgets play basketball it just looks funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peggysue Says: you surely do not mean to imply that painting is a benign activity?</p>
<p>Yes, I did mean to imply that.</p>
<p>By all means &#8230; paint! What Iâ€™m sayin is when midgets play basketball it just looks funny.</p>
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		<title>By: GodzillaVsBambi</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85630</link>
		<dc:creator>GodzillaVsBambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peggysue Says: Protest without fear of getting pepper spray in my eyes.



Thatâ€™s all thatâ€™s on your mind? â€œPepper sprayâ€ LOL Wow! What do you need to protest for anyway? You have some kind of itch that you canâ€™t scratch?



Re: Believe that I live in a country that does not torture (OK, we funded torturers before 9-11 but now we just do it ourselves with impunity).



Just because â€˜youâ€™ donâ€™t like it or have the stomach for it, donâ€™t ask others to roll over and play dead. Talk about judging others by ones own standards. Geeze!



Re: Be an environmentalist without being labled the â€œNo 1 domestic terrorist threatâ€.



Thatâ€™s because you donâ€™t understand what the label means.



Re: Claim that a person is innocent until proven guilty. (again, there were violations of this prior to 9-11 but now it is done without apology as if it were OK)



Now thereâ€™s a statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peggysue Says: Protest without fear of getting pepper spray in my eyes.</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s all thatâ€™s on your mind? â€œPepper sprayâ€ LOL Wow! What do you need to protest for anyway? You have some kind of itch that you canâ€™t scratch?</p>
<p>Re: Believe that I live in a country that does not torture (OK, we funded torturers before 9-11 but now we just do it ourselves with impunity).</p>
<p>Just because â€˜youâ€™ donâ€™t like it or have the stomach for it, donâ€™t ask others to roll over and play dead. Talk about judging others by ones own standards. Geeze!</p>
<p>Re: Be an environmentalist without being labled the â€œNo 1 domestic terrorist threatâ€.</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s because you donâ€™t understand what the label means.</p>
<p>Re: Claim that a person is innocent until proven guilty. (again, there were violations of this prior to 9-11 but now it is done without apology as if it were OK)</p>
<p>Now thereâ€™s a statement.</p>
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		<title>By: GodzillaVsBambi</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/from-russia-with-love/#comment-85629</link>
		<dc:creator>GodzillaVsBambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sutter Says: By the way: I do not loathe myself, and I do not loathe my country. I do, however, loathe people who attempt to squash dissent and criticism of that country with grandiose attacks on those try to make sure it lives up to its aspirations.



â€œSquashâ€? I am Godzilla! More like squisshh! No offence Sutter. Iâ€™m just letting off steam because of that scumbag Putin. At a time like this when global tensions are high and terrorists are running around, sometimes I just get pissed because people think that their individual privacy is more important than the safety of the country. Something tells me that after a few minutes of listening to your phone calls the FBI will understand that you are an American civilian who means no harm, and not a terrorist. Then they will squelch you and continue combing for â€œchatterâ€ and linguistic probability elsewhere. You are not offended that some people take a proactive approach in defending the country â€“ are you?



Re: Take books out from the library without wondering who is going to label me a subversive for doing so.



Well, are you a subversive? I own a copy of Catcher in the Rye. (I couldnâ€™t read more than 15-20 pages it was so damned boring, but thatâ€™s beside the point). You donâ€™t have to worry about stuff like that. Now, if you also happen to be purchasing large quantities of bullets and potassium nitrate while borrowing Catcher in the Rye from the library, then, Houston, we may have a problem! It isnâ€™t any â€œone factorâ€ that draws suspicion. It is usually a combination.



Re: I do, however, loathe people who attempt to squash dissent and criticism of that country with grandiose attacks on those try to make sure it lives up to its aspirations.



When you say â€œAttempt to squashâ€, you should really be more careful with your words. Dirt bag Putin â€˜squashesâ€™, Saddam Hussein was a â€˜squasherâ€™. To me it looks like you are confused about where you live. It is as if you canâ€™t tell the difference between the United States Constitution and the Communist Manifesto.



As I have said elsewhere on this site (in so many words) I encourage criticism and dissent. I am not going to get into it now, but there is a legitimate and illegitimate political left. However, when you say things like â€œQuestion authority and have that questioning be viewed by those in power as strengthening, not weakening, democracyâ€ and â€œ...Those [people who] try to make sure it lives up to its aspirationsâ€. Running a democracy includes much more than the lopsided spewing of â€œright to privacyâ€ clichÃ©s and anti-establishment rhetoric. This isnâ€™t â€œfresh stuffâ€ that you regurgitate. You are just saying it because it gives you a lift and makes you sound more important than you are.



It sounds (now maybe Iâ€™m wrong, and please correct me if I am) but it â€˜soundsâ€™ as if you have discovered some secret about running a democracy that us lower IQ types never understood. Could it be that these things you speak of are so abstract that people like me just canâ€™t get a handle on it? Would you please light the path for me? Perhaps we should give everyone in the country an IQ test, and whoever scores above a certain percentile will be eligible for the presidency. Would ya like that Sutter? Would you like to meditate over your uninformed and counterintuitive â€œbuzz-phrasedâ€ opinions on the one hand, and who is patrolling the land, air, and sea, to see to it that human garbage like Vladimir Putin doesnâ€™t walk in and take away your dreams on the other? Let me know what you come up with Sutter. Iâ€™m all ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sutter Says: By the way: I do not loathe myself, and I do not loathe my country. I do, however, loathe people who attempt to squash dissent and criticism of that country with grandiose attacks on those try to make sure it lives up to its aspirations.</p>
<p>â€œSquashâ€? I am Godzilla! More like squisshh! No offence Sutter. Iâ€™m just letting off steam because of that scumbag Putin. At a time like this when global tensions are high and terrorists are running around, sometimes I just get pissed because people think that their individual privacy is more important than the safety of the country. Something tells me that after a few minutes of listening to your phone calls the FBI will understand that you are an American civilian who means no harm, and not a terrorist. Then they will squelch you and continue combing for â€œchatterâ€ and linguistic probability elsewhere. You are not offended that some people take a proactive approach in defending the country â€“ are you?</p>
<p>Re: Take books out from the library without wondering who is going to label me a subversive for doing so.</p>
<p>Well, are you a subversive? I own a copy of Catcher in the Rye. (I couldnâ€™t read more than 15-20 pages it was so damned boring, but thatâ€™s beside the point). You donâ€™t have to worry about stuff like that. Now, if you also happen to be purchasing large quantities of bullets and potassium nitrate while borrowing Catcher in the Rye from the library, then, Houston, we may have a problem! It isnâ€™t any â€œone factorâ€ that draws suspicion. It is usually a combination.</p>
<p>Re: I do, however, loathe people who attempt to squash dissent and criticism of that country with grandiose attacks on those try to make sure it lives up to its aspirations.</p>
<p>When you say â€œAttempt to squashâ€, you should really be more careful with your words. Dirt bag Putin â€˜squashesâ€™, Saddam Hussein was a â€˜squasherâ€™. To me it looks like you are confused about where you live. It is as if you canâ€™t tell the difference between the United States Constitution and the Communist Manifesto.</p>
<p>As I have said elsewhere on this site (in so many words) I encourage criticism and dissent. I am not going to get into it now, but there is a legitimate and illegitimate political left. However, when you say things like â€œQuestion authority and have that questioning be viewed by those in power as strengthening, not weakening, democracyâ€ and â€œ&#8230;Those [people who] try to make sure it lives up to its aspirationsâ€. Running a democracy includes much more than the lopsided spewing of â€œright to privacyâ€ clichÃ©s and anti-establishment rhetoric. This isnâ€™t â€œfresh stuffâ€ that you regurgitate. You are just saying it because it gives you a lift and makes you sound more important than you are.</p>
<p>It sounds (now maybe Iâ€™m wrong, and please correct me if I am) but it â€˜soundsâ€™ as if you have discovered some secret about running a democracy that us lower IQ types never understood. Could it be that these things you speak of are so abstract that people like me just canâ€™t get a handle on it? Would you please light the path for me? Perhaps we should give everyone in the country an IQ test, and whoever scores above a certain percentile will be eligible for the presidency. Would ya like that Sutter? Would you like to meditate over your uninformed and counterintuitive â€œbuzz-phrasedâ€ opinions on the one hand, and who is patrolling the land, air, and sea, to see to it that human garbage like Vladimir Putin doesnâ€™t walk in and take away your dreams on the other? Let me know what you come up with Sutter. Iâ€™m all ears.</p>
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