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	<title>Comments on: Glenn Loury: The Missing Voice of Jeremiah</title>
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		<title>By: RC32</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/glenn-loury-the-missing-voice-of-jeremiah/#comment-92569</link>
		<dc:creator>RC32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No potter I understand racism and the effect it has had on black culture. I also understand two wrongs don&#039;t make a right. If rev Wright was discriminated against or treated poorly by segments of the white community,as I&#039;m sure he was,than I can understand his hatred of whites. (I still don&#039;t get the jew hating,I guess thats just the in thing these days) I actually have no problem with it,



  What I don&#039;t like is the way many people try and disquise what it really is. HATE, or at the very least a strong dislike.



   I had a problem logging on to the forum so I had to change my username.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No potter I understand racism and the effect it has had on black culture. I also understand two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right. If rev Wright was discriminated against or treated poorly by segments of the white community,as I&#8217;m sure he was,than I can understand his hatred of whites. (I still don&#8217;t get the jew hating,I guess thats just the in thing these days) I actually have no problem with it,</p>
<p>  What I don&#8217;t like is the way many people try and disquise what it really is. HATE, or at the very least a strong dislike.</p>
<p>   I had a problem logging on to the forum so I had to change my username.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 10:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RC32-21 Correction on this mischaracterization and my final:



&quot;I donâ€™t get into giving one group or person more rope as you would say because of their skin color.&quot;



Potter actually said here:



&quot;Wright and his followers deserve all the rope ( understanding) we can muster in the light of &lt;b&gt;history&lt;/b&gt;. That is the big big difference.&quot;



You could not be ignorant of this history, where racism towards skin color comes from and it&#039;s effect. No you could not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC32-21 Correction on this mischaracterization and my final:</p>
<p>&#8220;I donâ€™t get into giving one group or person more rope as you would say because of their skin color.&#8221;</p>
<p>Potter actually said here:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wright and his followers deserve all the rope ( understanding) we can muster in the light of <b>history</b>. That is the big big difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>You could not be ignorant of this history, where racism towards skin color comes from and it&#8217;s effect. No you could not.</p>
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		<title>By: RC32</title>
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		<dc:creator>RC32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Potter my version of racism is very simple.



A person or group of people that dislikes another person or group of people based on skin color or ethnicity.



 I don&#039;t get into giving one group or person more rope as you would say because of their skin color. I work with and oversee people of all nationalities and races. Once you start favoring one group over another or one person over another because of their skin color than you are discriminating against all others.



 Most people I know would prefer to be treated the same as everyone else. No special considerations needed or given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potter my version of racism is very simple.</p>
<p>A person or group of people that dislikes another person or group of people based on skin color or ethnicity.</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t get into giving one group or person more rope as you would say because of their skin color. I work with and oversee people of all nationalities and races. Once you start favoring one group over another or one person over another because of their skin color than you are discriminating against all others.</p>
<p> Most people I know would prefer to be treated the same as everyone else. No special considerations needed or given.</p>
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		<title>By: RC32</title>
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		<dc:creator>RC32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Potter, Wrong. Your rationalizing and excusing immoral behaviour. I&#039;m not going to go into the long history of who is the greater victim and which group has been wronged more by society.



  There is no valid reason for excusing hate or minimizing it&#039;s cause.





 Grant D. I don&#039;t need to make a case that Wright is a racist. He has done a far better job of it than I could ever hope to.



 By the way did you know that according to the teachings of Dr Cone and black theology, there is no such thing as a racist black,only whites can be racist. There you have it the argument is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potter, Wrong. Your rationalizing and excusing immoral behaviour. I&#8217;m not going to go into the long history of who is the greater victim and which group has been wronged more by society.</p>
<p>  There is no valid reason for excusing hate or minimizing it&#8217;s cause.</p>
<p> Grant D. I don&#8217;t need to make a case that Wright is a racist. He has done a far better job of it than I could ever hope to.</p>
<p> By the way did you know that according to the teachings of Dr Cone and black theology, there is no such thing as a racist black,only whites can be racist. There you have it the argument is over.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a pleasure, Potter. Thanks for letting me ramble on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a pleasure, Potter. Thanks for letting me ramble on.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before this thread gets derailed and I bow out, Grant- your post of May 22nd at 5:50 pm was very much appreciated. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before this thread gets derailed and I bow out, Grant- your post of May 22nd at 5:50 pm was very much appreciated. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I guess there is no such thing as a racist black.&lt;/i&gt;



I said no such thing. If you want to try to make the case that Wright is a racist, or that the black liberation church is a kind of 50s-era John Birch Society, please be my guest. Who knows, I might even concede the point if you can make the case with an actual compare-and-contrast argument or something resembling insight.



You ain&#039;t going to get anywhere with argumentum ad hitlerum - if you can&#039;t understand why it&#039;s beyond the pale or you&#039;re just trying to derail the thread. I don&#039;t know why you persist and I really don&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I guess there is no such thing as a racist black.</i></p>
<p>I said no such thing. If you want to try to make the case that Wright is a racist, or that the black liberation church is a kind of 50s-era John Birch Society, please be my guest. Who knows, I might even concede the point if you can make the case with an actual compare-and-contrast argument or something resembling insight.</p>
<p>You ain&#8217;t going to get anywhere with argumentum ad hitlerum &#8211; if you can&#8217;t understand why it&#8217;s beyond the pale or you&#8217;re just trying to derail the thread. I don&#8217;t know why you persist and I really don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: RC32</title>
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		<dc:creator>RC32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I needed to drag the Aryan nation into this, so that we could cut out the B. S. of defending racists like Wright and others who use past injustices to spew present day hate.



  As I said racism isn&#039;t rocket science. You just seem to think Wright and blacks have a better reason to hate Whites than whites have to hate blacks. I see it as basically the same thing.



 By the way I like the way you phrased your opening. You state that there are terrorist white hate groups. Yet there is only groups that I believe to be minority hate groups. You can&#039;t even admit that a minority hate group exists . I guess there is no such thing as a racist black. Once again the intellectual gymnastics.



       If calling someone an ignorant troll because they don&#039;t agree with your world view is a way of winning arguments than so be it. You win. Maybe your not so different from the people you defend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I needed to drag the Aryan nation into this, so that we could cut out the B. S. of defending racists like Wright and others who use past injustices to spew present day hate.</p>
<p>  As I said racism isn&#8217;t rocket science. You just seem to think Wright and blacks have a better reason to hate Whites than whites have to hate blacks. I see it as basically the same thing.</p>
<p> By the way I like the way you phrased your opening. You state that there are terrorist white hate groups. Yet there is only groups that I believe to be minority hate groups. You can&#8217;t even admit that a minority hate group exists . I guess there is no such thing as a racist black. Once again the intellectual gymnastics.</p>
<p>       If calling someone an ignorant troll because they don&#8217;t agree with your world view is a way of winning arguments than so be it. You win. Maybe your not so different from the people you defend.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/glenn-loury-the-missing-voice-of-jeremiah/#comment-92561</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RC32 - regarding racism- then why do I think you have your own version of it?



&#039;Would you or Potter give a white conservative who held some of these beliefs the lattitude and forgiveness that you give Wright and Obama? Hell no.&#039;



Wright and his followers deserve all the rope ( understanding) we can muster in the light of history. That is the big big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC32 &#8211; regarding racism- then why do I think you have your own version of it?</p>
<p>&#8216;Would you or Potter give a white conservative who held some of these beliefs the lattitude and forgiveness that you give Wright and Obama? Hell no.&#8217;</p>
<p>Wright and his followers deserve all the rope ( understanding) we can muster in the light of history. That is the big big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;they run paralel to each other in many of their teachings.&lt;/i&gt;



Why is it so difficult for white conservatives to grasp the intrinsic difference between a terrorist white hate group and what they believe to be a minority hate group? Even granting for the sake of argument that there is some similarity (which is for the record is complete bullshit in this case), the historical context and that makes the comparison utterly absurd and highly inflammatory.



There&#039;s a reasonable argument to be made that Louis Farrakhan and perhaps Jeremiah Wright are bigots or worse, and that I&#039;m a total hypocrite for defending them. Dragging the Aryan Nations into this can only serve to convince me that you&#039;re an ignorant troll who&#039;s not worth any more of my time. Maybe that&#039;s what you&#039;re after, but there you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>they run paralel to each other in many of their teachings.</i></p>
<p>Why is it so difficult for white conservatives to grasp the intrinsic difference between a terrorist white hate group and what they believe to be a minority hate group? Even granting for the sake of argument that there is some similarity (which is for the record is complete bullshit in this case), the historical context and that makes the comparison utterly absurd and highly inflammatory.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reasonable argument to be made that Louis Farrakhan and perhaps Jeremiah Wright are bigots or worse, and that I&#8217;m a total hypocrite for defending them. Dragging the Aryan Nations into this can only serve to convince me that you&#8217;re an ignorant troll who&#8217;s not worth any more of my time. Maybe that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re after, but there you go.</p>
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