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	<title>Comments on: Global Warming: Coal &#8212; It&#039;s Cheap and Dirty</title>
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		<title>By: cheap chinese coal wood stoves</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/global-warming-coal-its-cheap-and-dirty/#comment-78322</link>
		<dc:creator>cheap chinese coal wood stoves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ich is facing global pressure to clean up its growing fleet of coal-burning generators. ...http://www.radioopensource.org/global-warming-coal-its-cheap- [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ich is facing global pressure to clean up its growing fleet of coal-burning generators. &#8230;<a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/global-warming-coal-its-cheap-" rel="nofollow">http://www.radioopensource.org/global-warming-coal-its-cheap-</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New Revolutionary Technology - Next Time Refuel Your Car With Water! &#124; 7Wins.eu</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Revolutionary Technology - Next Time Refuel Your Car With Water! &#124; 7Wins.eu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Day 42: My Life w Car &#171; What it&#8217;s like</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/global-warming-coal-its-cheap-and-dirty/#comment-78320</link>
		<dc:creator>Day 42: My Life w Car &#171; What it&#8217;s like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 17;s all about Coal.  We should be rising up demanding the end of Coal as a fuel, period.  Coal is evil. And it&#8217;s 40% of our &#8220;contribution&#8221; to cli [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 17;s all about Coal.  We should be rising up demanding the end of Coal as a fuel, period.  Coal is evil. And it&#8217;s 40% of our &#8220;contribution&#8221; to cli [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mark rostron</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/global-warming-coal-its-cheap-and-dirty/#comment-78319</link>
		<dc:creator>mark rostron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superconductors change everything.

If you can transmit power over large distances with zero transmission loss, it means that you no longer need to co-locate power supply and demand.

American Superconductors is an example of a company that is already transmitting power over large distances on the american east coast with zero tranmission loss.



Here is an article:

http://www.mitforumcambridge.org/archive/r_apr02.html#sponsor



So, given this technology, why can we not consider re-building (again) a set of large wind-power stations - in the areas where they are most efficient - and using cryogenic technology to transmit the power to the demand - probably retaining most of the existing grid in the demand areas, and re-furbishing the real estate currently occupied by fossil-fuel power generators to act as drop zones.



Yes, this is probably about a 20-year plan, but we must start sometime, and think of the jobs and technical opportunities that it would retain in this country in the meantime.



thanks for reading this post.

mr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superconductors change everything.</p>
<p>If you can transmit power over large distances with zero transmission loss, it means that you no longer need to co-locate power supply and demand.</p>
<p>American Superconductors is an example of a company that is already transmitting power over large distances on the american east coast with zero tranmission loss.</p>
<p>Here is an article:</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.mitforumcambridge.org/archive/r_apr02.html#sponsor" rel="nofollow">http://www.mitforumcambridge.org/archive/r_apr02.html#sponsor</a></p>
<p>So, given this technology, why can we not consider re-building (again) a set of large wind-power stations &#8211; in the areas where they are most efficient &#8211; and using cryogenic technology to transmit the power to the demand &#8211; probably retaining most of the existing grid in the demand areas, and re-furbishing the real estate currently occupied by fossil-fuel power generators to act as drop zones.</p>
<p>Yes, this is probably about a 20-year plan, but we must start sometime, and think of the jobs and technical opportunities that it would retain in this country in the meantime.</p>
<p>thanks for reading this post.</p>
<p>mr</p>
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		<title>By: zeke</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/global-warming-coal-its-cheap-and-dirty/#comment-78318</link>
		<dc:creator>zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t heard the show yet. I am recording it now to listen to in the car. However, I want to pass on that this morning I got a phone call from some organization (actually from the phone bank they hired) to invite me to join some sort of &quot;nonpartisan advocacy group for balancing electric costs and resources.&quot; Or something like that.



I was told that at no cost to me I could be listed as a supporter and member. I would receive updates on legislative issues etc.



When I pressed the caller regarding the funding for this group, I was passed on to the supervisor. She informed me that it was sponsored by the electricity and coal industries.



Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t heard the show yet. I am recording it now to listen to in the car. However, I want to pass on that this morning I got a phone call from some organization (actually from the phone bank they hired) to invite me to join some sort of &#8220;nonpartisan advocacy group for balancing electric costs and resources.&#8221; Or something like that.</p>
<p>I was told that at no cost to me I could be listed as a supporter and member. I would receive updates on legislative issues etc.</p>
<p>When I pressed the caller regarding the funding for this group, I was passed on to the supervisor. She informed me that it was sponsored by the electricity and coal industries.</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My figure of 1,000 deaths a year in the extraction of coal was wrong for recent years, but neither is the 45 figure quite right.  I interpolated sloppily from Corey Powell&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/books/review/25powell.html?ex=1163739600&amp;en=f6c69770b39d2c2c&amp;ei=5070&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;review&lt;/a&gt; last summer in the NYT Book Review.  It noted:&quot; More than 104,000 Americans died digging out coal between 1900 and 2005; twice as many may have died from black lung.&quot;   So I should have said something to the effect that: over the past century, on average a thousand miners have died digging coal every year, not counting untold thousands more who died slowly of the direct effects like black lung disease.  Apologies for my mistake!  And thanks for the authoritative corrections and the significant swing toward safer mining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My figure of 1,000 deaths a year in the extraction of coal was wrong for recent years, but neither is the 45 figure quite right.  I interpolated sloppily from Corey Powell&#8217;s <a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/books/review/25powell.html?ex=1163739600&#038;en=f6c69770b39d2c2c&#038;ei=5070" rel="nofollow">review</a> last summer in the NYT Book Review.  It noted:&#8221; More than 104,000 Americans died digging out coal between 1900 and 2005; twice as many may have died from black lung.&#8221;   So I should have said something to the effect that: over the past century, on average a thousand miners have died digging coal every year, not counting untold thousands more who died slowly of the direct effects like black lung disease.  Apologies for my mistake!  And thanks for the authoritative corrections and the significant swing toward safer mining.</p>
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		<title>By: plnelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>plnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Burn coal, donâ€™t burn coal. Like most of the problems facing the world today, it really doesnâ€™t matter if you donâ€™t curb population growth.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



Technically you&#039;re right, of course, but it ain&#039;t gonna happen.   This is &quot;Think Global, Act Local&quot;&#039;s worst nightmare.

At a local level many places ar now promoting MORE people.  Several European nations have recently instituted incentived to have MORE children because of the declining labor force and fear of having to rely on immigrant workers.    Even China is said to b rethinking their &quot;one child&quot; policy in the wake of recent projections of labor shortages in future years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Burn coal, donâ€™t burn coal. Like most of the problems facing the world today, it really doesnâ€™t matter if you donâ€™t curb population growth.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Technically you&#8217;re right, of course, but it ain&#8217;t gonna happen.   This is &#8220;Think Global, Act Local&#8221;&#8216;s worst nightmare.</p>
<p>At a local level many places ar now promoting MORE people.  Several European nations have recently instituted incentived to have MORE children because of the declining labor force and fear of having to rely on immigrant workers.    Even China is said to b rethinking their &#8220;one child&#8221; policy in the wake of recent projections of labor shortages in future years!</p>
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		<title>By: plnelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>plnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Its all moot though, nuclear is the wave of the future.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;



There&#039;s no technical reason why nuclear couldn&#039;t/shouldn&#039;t be the wave of the future.   The reasons are all political.



&lt;b&gt;1.&lt;/b&gt;   Lack of storage for nuclear waste.  It&#039;s criminal to let long-term nuclear waste pile up without anywhere to put it.  Yucca Mountain is decades overdue and the government keeps dragging its feet on resolving this vital issue.



&lt;b&gt;2.&lt;/b&gt;   Insurance liability.   The risk of a nuclear accident is very low, so insurance for it should be &lt;b&gt;cheap&lt;/b&gt;.  Instead, it&#039;s unobtainable, thanks to the Price Anderson Act.     The premise of the Price Anderson Act is that the nuclear industry&#039;s liability should be set artificially low, commercial insurance should be limited or blocked,  and that if there was a major accident Congress would step in make everything alright.  But most business and home owners have never believed this, and in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, their skepticism has been reinforced.



We could have a thriving nuclear power industry in the US if #1 and #2 were properly addressed.   But until they are most people would be sensible to oppose nuclear power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Its all moot though, nuclear is the wave of the future.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s no technical reason why nuclear couldn&#8217;t/shouldn&#8217;t be the wave of the future.   The reasons are all political.</p>
<p><b>1.</b>   Lack of storage for nuclear waste.  It&#8217;s criminal to let long-term nuclear waste pile up without anywhere to put it.  Yucca Mountain is decades overdue and the government keeps dragging its feet on resolving this vital issue.</p>
<p><b>2.</b>   Insurance liability.   The risk of a nuclear accident is very low, so insurance for it should be <b>cheap</b>.  Instead, it&#8217;s unobtainable, thanks to the Price Anderson Act.     The premise of the Price Anderson Act is that the nuclear industry&#8217;s liability should be set artificially low, commercial insurance should be limited or blocked,  and that if there was a major accident Congress would step in make everything alright.  But most business and home owners have never believed this, and in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, their skepticism has been reinforced.</p>
<p>We could have a thriving nuclear power industry in the US if #1 and #2 were properly addressed.   But until they are most people would be sensible to oppose nuclear power.</p>
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		<title>By: 1st/14th</title>
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		<dc:creator>1st/14th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Circulating fluidized bed technology has been around since the 1970s. It offers some efficiency improvements, but doesnâ€™t help with ability to capture CO2. &lt;/i&gt;



CFB have comparable efficiency to other types of boilers. Their advantages comes in through lower emissions and fuel flexibility, not efficiency and did not come into service until the mid 80â€™s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Circulating fluidized bed technology has been around since the 1970s. It offers some efficiency improvements, but doesnâ€™t help with ability to capture CO2. </i></p>
<p>CFB have comparable efficiency to other types of boilers. Their advantages comes in through lower emissions and fuel flexibility, not efficiency and did not come into service until the mid 80â€™s.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Jeff Goodell, for your corrective post, for your participation on the show, and for your eye-opening book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Jeff Goodell, for your corrective post, for your participation on the show, and for your eye-opening book.</p>
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