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	<title>Comments on: Helen Vendler: Reading and Riffing on W. B. Yeats</title>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/helen-vendler-reading-and-riffing-on-w-b-yeats/#comment-92257</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris links, in his post above,  an interview with Helen Vendler on Yeats from &quot;The Connection&quot;. I highly recommend it. She is just terrific. I love to listen to her. And her enthusiasm and insight from being so deeply into poetry, and here Yeats, is just infectious. I love her voice too- the quality of it, the way she reads. As well- the callers are amazingly good. This was Lydon at his very best- allowing Vendler to shine, facilitating, and &quot;hmmmm-ing&quot; in the background. Helen Vendler transmits for me so well her interest in and love of the various poetic forms. What an inspiring teacher! ( Pardon my gushing.)



I  link here her essay:



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neh.gov/whoweare/vendler/lecture.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Ocean, The Bird, and the Scholar&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris links, in his post above,  an interview with Helen Vendler on Yeats from &#8220;The Connection&#8221;. I highly recommend it. She is just terrific. I love to listen to her. And her enthusiasm and insight from being so deeply into poetry, and here Yeats, is just infectious. I love her voice too- the quality of it, the way she reads. As well- the callers are amazingly good. This was Lydon at his very best- allowing Vendler to shine, facilitating, and &#8220;hmmmm-ing&#8221; in the background. Helen Vendler transmits for me so well her interest in and love of the various poetic forms. What an inspiring teacher! ( Pardon my gushing.)</p>
<p>I  link here her essay:</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.neh.gov/whoweare/vendler/lecture.html" rel="nofollow">The Ocean, The Bird, and the Scholar</a></p>
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		<title>By: VeritasRox</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeritasRox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Chris and Helen!

This was a wonderful piece, and perfect for the podcast audio format.  I often wish I could be more poetry-literate, but I find it  very difficult to casually read literary criticism (although Prof. Vendler&#039;s books come highly recommended, of course).  What a treat, then, to have her &quot;teach us a poem&quot; in a format we can chew on in highly digestible sound bites.  I like learning this way!



I read and analyzed &quot;Sailing to Byzantium&quot; in high school, but had not revisited it since then.  Even recently having seen &quot;No Country for Old Men,&quot;  I didn&#039;t give the poem a second thought or really even notice the reference to the poem in the title.  Listening to Prof. Vendler&#039;s analysis gave me a whole new appreciation for the movie as well as the poem.  The Coen Brothers invite us to interpret Yeat&#039;s journey to another shore through the lens of a violent psychopath who terrorizes the Texas border, searching for drug money in a race against a trashy-but-upstanding drifter and a contemplative cop.  The camera ultimately settles its lens on the cop (played brilliantly by Tommy Lee Jones), who soliloquizes about his life and its meaning after he retires from work (the criminal, disturbingly, still at large).  This &quot;country&quot;--the time, the place, the polity, the culture--is no longer for him.  It perhaps is only &quot;for&quot; those younger men able to dance to the absurd and pointless &quot;sensual music&quot; without disengaging in quizzical disgust.  But Jones&#039; character has arrived at this literal and metaphoric border, and with him we see a point of no return.



After thinking thoroughly about Yeats, my imagination can better continue this character&#039;s story, past the blackness of the final credits, to the places he may reach through buoyant verse.  I wonder what shape in &quot;gold enamelling&quot; he would take?  That of an Oscar statuette, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Chris and Helen!</p>
<p>This was a wonderful piece, and perfect for the podcast audio format.  I often wish I could be more poetry-literate, but I find it  very difficult to casually read literary criticism (although Prof. Vendler&#8217;s books come highly recommended, of course).  What a treat, then, to have her &#8220;teach us a poem&#8221; in a format we can chew on in highly digestible sound bites.  I like learning this way!</p>
<p>I read and analyzed &#8220;Sailing to Byzantium&#8221; in high school, but had not revisited it since then.  Even recently having seen &#8220;No Country for Old Men,&#8221;  I didn&#8217;t give the poem a second thought or really even notice the reference to the poem in the title.  Listening to Prof. Vendler&#8217;s analysis gave me a whole new appreciation for the movie as well as the poem.  The Coen Brothers invite us to interpret Yeat&#8217;s journey to another shore through the lens of a violent psychopath who terrorizes the Texas border, searching for drug money in a race against a trashy-but-upstanding drifter and a contemplative cop.  The camera ultimately settles its lens on the cop (played brilliantly by Tommy Lee Jones), who soliloquizes about his life and its meaning after he retires from work (the criminal, disturbingly, still at large).  This &#8220;country&#8221;&#8211;the time, the place, the polity, the culture&#8211;is no longer for him.  It perhaps is only &#8220;for&#8221; those younger men able to dance to the absurd and pointless &#8220;sensual music&#8221; without disengaging in quizzical disgust.  But Jones&#8217; character has arrived at this literal and metaphoric border, and with him we see a point of no return.</p>
<p>After thinking thoroughly about Yeats, my imagination can better continue this character&#8217;s story, past the blackness of the final credits, to the places he may reach through buoyant verse.  I wonder what shape in &#8220;gold enamelling&#8221; he would take?  That of an Oscar statuette, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: tannerbrockwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>tannerbrockwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonderful show, enjoyed the podcast immensely, couldn&#039;t help but think of

&quot;[...]

it comes from the unaware

simple evolution cortex expanding

to word objects not real

but describing the real

and then beyond when words became

the description of events

or words described the arrangement of words

[...]&quot;



look forward to many more programs to come!

http://www.tannerbrockwell.com/poems/how-words-make-one-quiver/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonderful show, enjoyed the podcast immensely, couldn&#8217;t help but think of</p>
<p>&#8220;[...]</p>
<p>it comes from the unaware</p>
<p>simple evolution cortex expanding</p>
<p>to word objects not real</p>
<p>but describing the real</p>
<p>and then beyond when words became</p>
<p>the description of events</p>
<p>or words described the arrangement of words</p>
<p>[...]&#8221;</p>
<p>look forward to many more programs to come!</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.tannerbrockwell.com/poems/how-words-make-one-quiver/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tannerbrockwell.com/poems/how-words-make-one-quiver/</a></p>
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		<title>By: OliverCranglesParrot</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/helen-vendler-reading-and-riffing-on-w-b-yeats/#comment-92254</link>
		<dc:creator>OliverCranglesParrot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What nother and Potter said above ... and superb work Chris and Helen. Thank you so much for the balm and illumination ... best wishes to all for the season and beyond ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What nother and Potter said above &#8230; and superb work Chris and Helen. Thank you so much for the balm and illumination &#8230; best wishes to all for the season and beyond &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris-Thank you for all these presents you are showering on us!!



To hear the old wobbly real player sound  from that era makes me  think of how much better the podcasts are technically. Not everything gets worse.



We do very well here focussing on music and poetry to uplift ourselves and then the general vibration in this season. Thank you for leading the way Chris.



To all my cyber pals here wishing you a good holiday season and sending also a big thank you for all your wonderful posts and the good company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris-Thank you for all these presents you are showering on us!!</p>
<p>To hear the old wobbly real player sound  from that era makes me  think of how much better the podcasts are technically. Not everything gets worse.</p>
<p>We do very well here focussing on music and poetry to uplift ourselves and then the general vibration in this season. Thank you for leading the way Chris.</p>
<p>To all my cyber pals here wishing you a good holiday season and sending also a big thank you for all your wonderful posts and the good company.</p>
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		<title>By: nother</title>
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		<dc:creator>nother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conversation reminds me how much more there is to great poetry, then that of which I first glimpse.  To dare to dig and discover.



On more then one occation I&#039;ve come across Seamus Heaney quoting the Yeats line and challenge, &quot;to hold in a single thought reality and justice.&quot;



Heaney says we can look to our poets to help with this challenge - and I believe him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conversation reminds me how much more there is to great poetry, then that of which I first glimpse.  To dare to dig and discover.</p>
<p>On more then one occation I&#8217;ve come across Seamus Heaney quoting the Yeats line and challenge, &#8220;to hold in a single thought reality and justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heaney says we can look to our poets to help with this challenge &#8211; and I believe him.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, Potter, that you should mention the Old Connection Days...



I was astonished in Googling &quot;Vendler Yeats&quot; yesterday to come very quickly to a Connection conversation I&#039;d had with Helen Vendler about Yeats when her book was in gestation in February, 2000.  It&#039;s less than 8 years ago, and I&#039;d almost entirely forgotten it.  What I&#039;d remembered better was a program shortly before with Christopher Ricks of Boston University and the new Oxford Book of English Verse.  I teased Ricks some about having as many pages and poems in the new Oxford from Kipling as from Yeats -- a mismatch, no?  But Ricks came back with a vengeance.  He dismissed the great Yeats as &quot;the most overrated great name in 1000 years of English literature... all voice, no heart... all rhetoric, no poetry.&quot;



I must have put out the call to Helen Vendler to say a word of encouragement to those who thrill to so much Yeats (I long ago memorized his &lt;a href=&quot;http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/y/yeats/william_butler/y4c/part20.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Song of Wandering Aengus&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and can&#039;t imagine a more brilliant lyric) and hear a certain tin-horn racist-imperialist nonsense in the war ditties from great novelist of &lt;i&gt;Kim&lt;/i&gt;.



In any event, Helen Vendler joined us again on The Connection to talk about Yeats and this book project just underway.  We began with the recorded voice of Yeats himself reciting &quot;The Lake Isle of Innisfree&quot; and closed with a great variety of terrific callers.  Listen in here:



http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/connection/audio/2000/02/con_0208b.rm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, Potter, that you should mention the Old Connection Days&#8230;</p>
<p>I was astonished in Googling &#8220;Vendler Yeats&#8221; yesterday to come very quickly to a Connection conversation I&#8217;d had with Helen Vendler about Yeats when her book was in gestation in February, 2000.  It&#8217;s less than 8 years ago, and I&#8217;d almost entirely forgotten it.  What I&#8217;d remembered better was a program shortly before with Christopher Ricks of Boston University and the new Oxford Book of English Verse.  I teased Ricks some about having as many pages and poems in the new Oxford from Kipling as from Yeats &#8212; a mismatch, no?  But Ricks came back with a vengeance.  He dismissed the great Yeats as &#8220;the most overrated great name in 1000 years of English literature&#8230; all voice, no heart&#8230; all rhetoric, no poetry.&#8221;</p>
<p>I must have put out the call to Helen Vendler to say a word of encouragement to those who thrill to so much Yeats (I long ago memorized his <a  href="http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/y/yeats/william_butler/y4c/part20.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Song of Wandering Aengus&#8221;</a> and can&#8217;t imagine a more brilliant lyric) and hear a certain tin-horn racist-imperialist nonsense in the war ditties from great novelist of <i>Kim</i>.</p>
<p>In any event, Helen Vendler joined us again on The Connection to talk about Yeats and this book project just underway.  We began with the recorded voice of Yeats himself reciting &#8220;The Lake Isle of Innisfree&#8221; and closed with a great variety of terrific callers.  Listen in here:</p>
<p><a  href="http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/connection/audio/2000/02/con_0208b.rm" rel="nofollow">http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/connection/audio/2000/02/con_0208b.rm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the inspiring Helen Vendler! I can&#039;t wait to listen.



Somewhere in our old suggestions threads here on ROS I had asked for her after I read her excellent article in The New Republic (2004): &quot;The Ocean, the Bird, and the Scholar: How the Arts Help us to Live&quot;. As well how I remember her from the old Connection days when she spoke of Shakespeare&#039;s sonnets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the inspiring Helen Vendler! I can&#8217;t wait to listen.</p>
<p>Somewhere in our old suggestions threads here on ROS I had asked for her after I read her excellent article in The New Republic (2004): &#8220;The Ocean, the Bird, and the Scholar: How the Arts Help us to Live&#8221;. As well how I remember her from the old Connection days when she spoke of Shakespeare&#8217;s sonnets.</p>
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