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	<title>Comments on: Hillary Clinton&#8217;s War Vote</title>
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		<title>By: Payment Gateway</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-164692</link>
		<dc:creator>Payment Gateway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good read, thanks. Always looking out for weird and wonderful stuff to read :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read, thanks. Always looking out for weird and wonderful stuff to read <img src='http://www.radioopensource.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Body Politik</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-88562</link>
		<dc:creator>The Body Politik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] l seek to avoid war, if at all possible. But a day before casting the vote, Clinton &#8220;voted against the Levin amendment, which would have required UN approval for the use of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] l seek to avoid war, if at all possible. But a day before casting the vote, Clinton &#8220;voted against the Levin amendment, which would have required UN approval for the use of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary Clinton: Warhawk &#187; Blog Archive  &#187; Listen to PRI&#8217;s &#8220;Radio Opensource&#8221; Discussion re Hillary&#8217;s War Vote</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-87986</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary Clinton: Warhawk &#187; Blog Archive  &#187; Listen to PRI&#8217;s &#8220;Radio Opensource&#8221; Discussion re Hillary&#8217;s War Vote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] re right and just, you must listen to PRI&#8217;s (now defunct) Radio Opensource episode:  Hillary Clinton&amp;# [...]</description>
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		<title>By: stinkyralph</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60689</link>
		<dc:creator>stinkyralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara Lee needs to learn how to shop for food. Taco Bell? Crackers?

When we were suffering through grad school in New Mexico we ate a lot of canned beans, rice and tortillas, and eggs. And froze leftovers.

Not enough fresh veggies for sure, but better than the garbage she ate.

Education about food would be a good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Lee needs to learn how to shop for food. Taco Bell? Crackers?</p>
<p>When we were suffering through grad school in New Mexico we ate a lot of canned beans, rice and tortillas, and eggs. And froze leftovers.</p>
<p>Not enough fresh veggies for sure, but better than the garbage she ate.</p>
<p>Education about food would be a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: plnelson</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60400</link>
		<dc:creator>plnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit tangential, but FWIW I recently added a downloadable antiwar poster (in your choice of sizes!) based on the famous poster for &quot;The Endless Summer&quot;, called &quot;The Endless War&quot; to one of my websites.  See: http://peterography.com/theposter.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit tangential, but FWIW I recently added a downloadable antiwar poster (in your choice of sizes!) based on the famous poster for &#8220;The Endless Summer&#8221;, called &#8220;The Endless War&#8221; to one of my websites.  See: <a href="http://peterography.com/theposter.htm" rel="nofollow">http://peterography.com/theposter.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
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		<dc:creator>rc21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pretty smart weasel at that.</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve called her &quot;Hillary Clinton&quot;, &quot;Clinton&quot; and &quot;Hillary&quot;.  I also call Bush &quot;Dubya&quot;, and so do lots of people.  People called Bill Clinton &quot;Slick Willy&quot;.  There&#039;s nothing sexist about it.  Most politicians don&#039;t deserve respect, and Hillary is not particularly exceptional.  She&#039;s as much a weasel as Bill as far as I can tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve called her &#8220;Hillary Clinton&#8221;, &#8220;Clinton&#8221; and &#8220;Hillary&#8221;.  I also call Bush &#8220;Dubya&#8221;, and so do lots of people.  People called Bill Clinton &#8220;Slick Willy&#8221;.  There&#8217;s nothing sexist about it.  Most politicians don&#8217;t deserve respect, and Hillary is not particularly exceptional.  She&#8217;s as much a weasel as Bill as far as I can tell.</p>
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		<title>By: bft</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60255</link>
		<dc:creator>bft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a while there, a few years back, the media seemed to be making a point of calling her &quot;Hillary Rodham Clinton&quot;. Why was that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a while there, a few years back, the media seemed to be making a point of calling her &#8220;Hillary Rodham Clinton&#8221;. Why was that?</p>
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		<title>By: enhabit</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60220</link>
		<dc:creator>enhabit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because calling her &quot;clinton&quot; is confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because calling her &#8220;clinton&#8221; is confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: knitwit</title>
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		<dc:creator>knitwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHY, WHY, WHY does everyone feel free to call her Hillary when in the same breath they refer to Obama, Edwards, Bush, Cheney and so on.  This is a small but insidious sexist holdover.  I noticed that Chris L. pretty consistently used Hillary Clinton.  She can be just Clinton, you know, her husband can be Bill maybe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY, WHY, WHY does everyone feel free to call her Hillary when in the same breath they refer to Obama, Edwards, Bush, Cheney and so on.  This is a small but insidious sexist holdover.  I noticed that Chris L. pretty consistently used Hillary Clinton.  She can be just Clinton, you know, her husband can be Bill maybe!</p>
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		<title>By: plnelson</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60161</link>
		<dc:creator>plnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m not buying the Two Party Stateâ€™s assumption that Iâ€™ll always choose one of their two candidates for fear of the other one.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree.   

I&#039;m not one for conspiracy theories but when you look at the whole process by which we select our national leaders and see the crop of idiots, yahoos, egomaniacs, morally and ethically-challenged or mentally unbalanced people who have sought office and received millions of dollars from donors for doing so it&#039;s hard to imagine what natural, non-conspiratorial system could result in things being this bad.

But the truth is that this is what the American people seem to prefer!   As Cindy Sheehan said, (her son...) &lt;b&gt;&quot;Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Does she have a problem with that?  

This is the same US public where only 1 person in a THOUSAND can name all five rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, but a quarter of them can name all five Simpson&#039;s characters!    It&#039;s the same US public that couldn&#039;t find Baghdad on a map before the war but they were glued to their TV sets to watch us bomb the city during the invasion.   This is the same US public that can&#039;t even balance their own checkbooks and are up to their ears in credit-card debt and buy half-million-dollar houses with 5% down on an IT-worker&#039;s salary, and we expect them to be concerned about balancing the federal budget?!

Is Hillary Clinton really the most skilled and qualified person in this country of 300 million people to lead us for 4 or  8 years?   Wrong question.   This is America.  &quot;Skills&quot; are something for Chinese and Indian engineers to worry about.  If we need skills we can import them.   &quot;Qualifications&quot; don&#039;t matter when you&#039;re politically well-connected  by family or financial donors.   The American public may not know art but they know what they like, and what they like is a slick reality TV show.  Who get voted off the island or into the White House is all the same to them as long as it&#039;s entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™m not buying the Two Party Stateâ€™s assumption that Iâ€™ll always choose one of their two candidates for fear of the other one.</i></p>
<p>I agree.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not one for conspiracy theories but when you look at the whole process by which we select our national leaders and see the crop of idiots, yahoos, egomaniacs, morally and ethically-challenged or mentally unbalanced people who have sought office and received millions of dollars from donors for doing so it&#8217;s hard to imagine what natural, non-conspiratorial system could result in things being this bad.</p>
<p>But the truth is that this is what the American people seem to prefer!   As Cindy Sheehan said, (her son&#8230;) <b>&#8220;Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Does she have a problem with that?  </p>
<p>This is the same US public where only 1 person in a THOUSAND can name all five rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, but a quarter of them can name all five Simpson&#8217;s characters!    It&#8217;s the same US public that couldn&#8217;t find Baghdad on a map before the war but they were glued to their TV sets to watch us bomb the city during the invasion.   This is the same US public that can&#8217;t even balance their own checkbooks and are up to their ears in credit-card debt and buy half-million-dollar houses with 5% down on an IT-worker&#8217;s salary, and we expect them to be concerned about balancing the federal budget?!</p>
<p>Is Hillary Clinton really the most skilled and qualified person in this country of 300 million people to lead us for 4 or  8 years?   Wrong question.   This is America.  &#8220;Skills&#8221; are something for Chinese and Indian engineers to worry about.  If we need skills we can import them.   &#8220;Qualifications&#8221; don&#8217;t matter when you&#8217;re politically well-connected  by family or financial donors.   The American public may not know art but they know what they like, and what they like is a slick reality TV show.  Who get voted off the island or into the White House is all the same to them as long as it&#8217;s entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: plnelson</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60155</link>
		<dc:creator>plnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;plnelson-glad you have come around and hate to be on your case but didnâ€™t you say you voted for Bush twice?&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;???&lt;/b&gt;

I see that you&#039;re still not one to let facts or data infuence your postings.

I&#039;ve never voted for any Bush.    Check out my blog (http://www.peterography.com) if you want to see my views about GWB.

For the record I almost never vote in Presidential elections because I live in Massachusetts where your vote has no influence on the outcome, although I once cast a symbolic vote for Nader and another time a symbolic vote for the LP  candidate just to strike a political balance.   Furthermore my Congressman routinely runs unopposed so I have no role to play there, either.  The People&#039;s Republic of Massachusetts is a one-party state anyway - except that we don&#039;t even have the freedom to vote &quot;nyet&quot; in Congressional elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>plnelson-glad you have come around and hate to be on your case but didnâ€™t you say you voted for Bush twice?</i></p>
<p><b>???</b></p>
<p>I see that you&#8217;re still not one to let facts or data infuence your postings.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never voted for any Bush.    Check out my blog (<a href="http://www.peterography.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.peterography.com</a>) if you want to see my views about GWB.</p>
<p>For the record I almost never vote in Presidential elections because I live in Massachusetts where your vote has no influence on the outcome, although I once cast a symbolic vote for Nader and another time a symbolic vote for the LP  candidate just to strike a political balance.   Furthermore my Congressman routinely runs unopposed so I have no role to play there, either.  The People&#8217;s Republic of Massachusetts is a one-party state anyway &#8211; except that we don&#8217;t even have the freedom to vote &#8220;nyet&#8221; in Congressional elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not buying the Two Party State&#039;s assumption that I&#039;ll always choose one of their two candidates for fear of the other one.  If the lesser evil is still unpalatable, neither is a perfectly reasonable, patriotic and civically responsible and choice.  Unless Democrats nominate Hitler, I expect their candidate will defeat any of leading Republicans.  Bushniks have utterly wrecked any prospect of a long-term, Republican governing coalition, akin to the Democratic coaltion that ruled for decades in the mid-twentieth century.  The Reagan era created a real prospect of this sea change, but I now expect cows to fly first.

Big Government Conservatism is a non-starter from the word go.  People don&#039;t want Big Government at all, but if they must have it, they prefer the traditionally Democratic variety.  We can only hope that Democrats will at least steer the massive ship of state away from violent entanglement with the least stable regimes on Earth.  It&#039;s not like we actually need to worry about middle eastern oil.  Unless the whole place goes up in smoke, they&#039;ll sell it to us, and U.S. imperialism does more to fan the flames than anything else.  If we must throw a trillion dollars at something, throw it at biofuels R&amp;D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not buying the Two Party State&#8217;s assumption that I&#8217;ll always choose one of their two candidates for fear of the other one.  If the lesser evil is still unpalatable, neither is a perfectly reasonable, patriotic and civically responsible and choice.  Unless Democrats nominate Hitler, I expect their candidate will defeat any of leading Republicans.  Bushniks have utterly wrecked any prospect of a long-term, Republican governing coalition, akin to the Democratic coaltion that ruled for decades in the mid-twentieth century.  The Reagan era created a real prospect of this sea change, but I now expect cows to fly first.</p>
<p>Big Government Conservatism is a non-starter from the word go.  People don&#8217;t want Big Government at all, but if they must have it, they prefer the traditionally Democratic variety.  We can only hope that Democrats will at least steer the massive ship of state away from violent entanglement with the least stable regimes on Earth.  It&#8217;s not like we actually need to worry about middle eastern oil.  Unless the whole place goes up in smoke, they&#8217;ll sell it to us, and U.S. imperialism does more to fan the flames than anything else.  If we must throw a trillion dollars at something, throw it at biofuels R&amp;D.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plnelson-glad you have come around and hate to be on your case but didn&#039;t you say you voted for Bush twice?  I don&#039;t recall that Clinton was &quot;imperial&quot; either, certainly not the way Bush is. Clinton did not strut around full of his power with cotton in his ears. Quite the contrary. 

It&#039;s pretty scary the choices that are lining up on either side and what the voter will have to face. At the moment John Edwards looks best. Would democrats put Clinton up? I don&#039;t think she has a chance. But I would vote for Hillary Clinton (reluctantly) to &lt;b&gt;prevent&lt;/b&gt; any of the Republicans running at the moment, each a more frightening choice. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/31/AR2007053101851.html?hpid=opinionsbox1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I want a president who....&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plnelson-glad you have come around and hate to be on your case but didn&#8217;t you say you voted for Bush twice?  I don&#8217;t recall that Clinton was &#8220;imperial&#8221; either, certainly not the way Bush is. Clinton did not strut around full of his power with cotton in his ears. Quite the contrary. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty scary the choices that are lining up on either side and what the voter will have to face. At the moment John Edwards looks best. Would democrats put Clinton up? I don&#8217;t think she has a chance. But I would vote for Hillary Clinton (reluctantly) to <b>prevent</b> any of the Republicans running at the moment, each a more frightening choice. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/31/AR2007053101851.html?hpid=opinionsbox1" rel="nofollow">I want a president who&#8230;.</a></p>
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		<title>By: shawnfassett</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawnfassett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a waste of a show...how about the candidates who haven&#039;t owned up to their waste of support for the Presidency? I&#039;m not a big supporter of Sen. Clinton, but this was just a show to bash her, wasn&#039;t it? Pathetic and tired...AND Peter Beinart? With guests like this you reinforce the false meme that EVERYBODY believed this or that when that was NEVER the case. He should have to apologize to everybody he skewered with his writing in support of this President&#039;s war and not be allowed to just say that he doesn&#039;t have enough world experience or he gets a pass because he didn&#039;t live through Vietnam. I didn&#039;t live through Vietnam but figured it wasn&#039;t something that needed reliving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a waste of a show&#8230;how about the candidates who haven&#8217;t owned up to their waste of support for the Presidency? I&#8217;m not a big supporter of Sen. Clinton, but this was just a show to bash her, wasn&#8217;t it? Pathetic and tired&#8230;AND Peter Beinart? With guests like this you reinforce the false meme that EVERYBODY believed this or that when that was NEVER the case. He should have to apologize to everybody he skewered with his writing in support of this President&#8217;s war and not be allowed to just say that he doesn&#8217;t have enough world experience or he gets a pass because he didn&#8217;t live through Vietnam. I didn&#8217;t live through Vietnam but figured it wasn&#8217;t something that needed reliving.</p>
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		<title>By: Me2-BFD</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60143</link>
		<dc:creator>Me2-BFD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is that I can&#039;t think of anyone who could have f***ed everything up as much as W. has; Democrat or Republican.  Ms. Clinton IS playing to both sides, in order to increase her chances.  But, she smart enough to be a decent President and knows that she can&#039;t just throw lightning bolts, like W. has.  I was disappointed with her husband&#039;s move toward the middle, but I&#039;d trade three (hell, thirteen) todays for one day when Bill Clinton was President; and I don&#039;t see things being a lot different (from Bill Clinton&#039;s Presidency) if Hillary Clinton is elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is that I can&#8217;t think of anyone who could have f***ed everything up as much as W. has; Democrat or Republican.  Ms. Clinton IS playing to both sides, in order to increase her chances.  But, she smart enough to be a decent President and knows that she can&#8217;t just throw lightning bolts, like W. has.  I was disappointed with her husband&#8217;s move toward the middle, but I&#8217;d trade three (hell, thirteen) todays for one day when Bill Clinton was President; and I don&#8217;t see things being a lot different (from Bill Clinton&#8217;s Presidency) if Hillary Clinton is elected.</p>
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		<title>By: peggysue</title>
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		<dc:creator>peggysue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Code Pink is Fabulous! (the singing is better at the end after HRC&#039;s abrupt departure)</description>
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		<title>By: John R. Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60140</link>
		<dc:creator>John R. Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh sorry

here

http://www.gregpalast.com/hillarys-mother-fing-tour-business/

[quote]Then, in 2000, in a deposition by the Justice Department, the President changed his tune. Investigators confronted the President with this: on June 20, 1994, Hubbell met with Hillary. Two days later, James Riady, the Asian billionaire Entergy partner, met with Hubbell for breakfast. Just a few hours later, Riady returned to the White House, then met again with Hubbell, then made two more treks to the White House. Two days later, a videotape shows the beginning of another meeting in the Oval Office between Clinton and Riady â€” but oddly, before they talk, the tape goes blank. Two days after that, Hubbell gets his $100,000 through a Riady bank.

Lying to journalists is a venal sin, but lying to the Feds is perjury. In his deposition, the Presidentâ€™s denial transformed into amnesia. He couldnâ€™t remember if Riady mentioned the payment. Then, the President slyly opened the door to the truth. â€œI wouldnâ€™t be surprised if James told me,â€ Clinton said. Neither would I.

What did Riady get? The Flotus herself, says Nolanda Hill, forced Brown to accept the appointment of Riadyâ€™s bag man, John Huang, as a Commerce Department deputy. According to records of calls the Guardian obtained via the Freedom of Information Act, Huangâ€™s first order of business was to wheedle his way into confidential CIA briefings on Indonesia and China, then call Riady and his Entergy partners.

The same day Riady met the President, documents show he called on a Clinton crony at the top of the departmentâ€™s Export-Import Bank. â€œWe just came over from the Oval Office,â€ is a nice way to provide assurance of the â€˜political connectionâ€™ required for help. These and other Riady team meetings at Commerce are marked â€™socialâ€™. Yet, shortly thereafter, the department agreed to promote and fund the Riady-Entergy China venture.

Influence is not a victimless crime. Riady and his minionsâ€™ visits to the White House (94 times!) included successful requests for the President to meet Indonesian dictator Suharto and to kill negative reports on East Timor and working conditions in Indonesia. Timorese and Indonesians paid for these policy flips with blood.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh sorry</p>
<p>here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gregpalast.com/hillarys-mother-fing-tour-business/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gregpalast.com/hillarys-mother-fing-tour-business/</a></p>
<p>[quote]Then, in 2000, in a deposition by the Justice Department, the President changed his tune. Investigators confronted the President with this: on June 20, 1994, Hubbell met with Hillary. Two days later, James Riady, the Asian billionaire Entergy partner, met with Hubbell for breakfast. Just a few hours later, Riady returned to the White House, then met again with Hubbell, then made two more treks to the White House. Two days later, a videotape shows the beginning of another meeting in the Oval Office between Clinton and Riady â€” but oddly, before they talk, the tape goes blank. Two days after that, Hubbell gets his $100,000 through a Riady bank.</p>
<p>Lying to journalists is a venal sin, but lying to the Feds is perjury. In his deposition, the Presidentâ€™s denial transformed into amnesia. He couldnâ€™t remember if Riady mentioned the payment. Then, the President slyly opened the door to the truth. â€œI wouldnâ€™t be surprised if James told me,â€ Clinton said. Neither would I.</p>
<p>What did Riady get? The Flotus herself, says Nolanda Hill, forced Brown to accept the appointment of Riadyâ€™s bag man, John Huang, as a Commerce Department deputy. According to records of calls the Guardian obtained via the Freedom of Information Act, Huangâ€™s first order of business was to wheedle his way into confidential CIA briefings on Indonesia and China, then call Riady and his Entergy partners.</p>
<p>The same day Riady met the President, documents show he called on a Clinton crony at the top of the departmentâ€™s Export-Import Bank. â€œWe just came over from the Oval Office,â€ is a nice way to provide assurance of the â€˜political connectionâ€™ required for help. These and other Riady team meetings at Commerce are marked â€™socialâ€™. Yet, shortly thereafter, the department agreed to promote and fund the Riady-Entergy China venture.</p>
<p>Influence is not a victimless crime. Riady and his minionsâ€™ visits to the White House (94 times!) included successful requests for the President to meet Indonesian dictator Suharto and to kill negative reports on East Timor and working conditions in Indonesia. Timorese and Indonesians paid for these policy flips with blood.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60139</link>
		<dc:creator>John R. Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Greg Palast&#039;s insights into hillary and bills influence on helping walmart and china run over our domestic retail and production systems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Greg Palast&#8217;s insights into hillary and bills influence on helping walmart and china run over our domestic retail and production systems?</p>
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		<title>By: peggysue</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60131</link>
		<dc:creator>peggysue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

OK good point. I may still be feeling tremors because I voted for Nadar in 2000. Not that what happened was his or my fault...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>OK good point. I may still be feeling tremors because I voted for Nadar in 2000. Not that what happened was his or my fault&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: katemcshane</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60128</link>
		<dc:creator>katemcshane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, Hillary is a narcissist, and narcissists lie.  I don&#039;t see any integrity.  She gives me the creeps.  I agree with Jonathan Tasini about what she did at the UN.  But that&#039;s just one disgusting example of many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, Hillary is a narcissist, and narcissists lie.  I don&#8217;t see any integrity.  She gives me the creeps.  I agree with Jonathan Tasini about what she did at the UN.  But that&#8217;s just one disgusting example of many.</p>
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		<title>By: janeer</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60126</link>
		<dc:creator>janeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine I was not alone in emailing my senators (in two states), house and senate chair, etc, and the president/vp--futile on all counts--not to vote for the Patriot Act, or we would be in Iraq first, unable to get out, then Iran, then who knows where. Anyone who has taken Psych 101 could see what was going on. A vote for this Patriot Act, a, and this war, b, were votes for themselves: self-preserving, cowardly, knee-jerk fear of Republican criticism. Mrs. Clinton is too ambitious, too political and calculating, too old-time politician to lead, if a leader is indeed what we are seeking. As a lifelong Democrat of her exact age, I am sorry to say it: she will do anything, sacrifice any standard, she thinks will advance her own position. That&#039;s not what we need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine I was not alone in emailing my senators (in two states), house and senate chair, etc, and the president/vp&#8211;futile on all counts&#8211;not to vote for the Patriot Act, or we would be in Iraq first, unable to get out, then Iran, then who knows where. Anyone who has taken Psych 101 could see what was going on. A vote for this Patriot Act, a, and this war, b, were votes for themselves: self-preserving, cowardly, knee-jerk fear of Republican criticism. Mrs. Clinton is too ambitious, too political and calculating, too old-time politician to lead, if a leader is indeed what we are seeking. As a lifelong Democrat of her exact age, I am sorry to say it: she will do anything, sacrifice any standard, she thinks will advance her own position. That&#8217;s not what we need.</p>
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		<title>By: michatoy</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60125</link>
		<dc:creator>michatoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It shows how power and political calculation can make hamburger from porterhouse. In the context of the post-911 times and the heavy pressure of the administration bent on the Iraqi adventure it is understandable that she voted the way she did on the authorization bill. It does not, however, explain her vote against Sen. Levin&#039;s diplomacy amendment and that&#039;s where the political calculation entered in. She went with the majority because she felt it was the safest course. To me, that disqualifies her for the kind of president I&#039;m looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It shows how power and political calculation can make hamburger from porterhouse. In the context of the post-911 times and the heavy pressure of the administration bent on the Iraqi adventure it is understandable that she voted the way she did on the authorization bill. It does not, however, explain her vote against Sen. Levin&#8217;s diplomacy amendment and that&#8217;s where the political calculation entered in. She went with the majority because she felt it was the safest course. To me, that disqualifies her for the kind of president I&#8217;m looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: enhabit</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60122</link>
		<dc:creator>enhabit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this goes beyond making a mistake or &quot;owning up to a mistake&quot;  ..this is about an absence of judgement and integrity.

after that health care fiasco, hillary has become politicaly cautious to a fault.

intestinal fortitude will be a NECESSARY asset in the next presidency..as well as experience.

who&#039;s got it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this goes beyond making a mistake or &#8220;owning up to a mistake&#8221;  ..this is about an absence of judgement and integrity.</p>
<p>after that health care fiasco, hillary has become politicaly cautious to a fault.</p>
<p>intestinal fortitude will be a NECESSARY asset in the next presidency..as well as experience.</p>
<p>who&#8217;s got it?</p>
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		<title>By: sidewalker</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60121</link>
		<dc:creator>sidewalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did/does HRC get most of her campaign funding from and how important has that been to her support for Bush policy and the war?

Does HRC support the law to privatize Iraqi oil, which some suggest will require a long-term--Korean style--US military presence to protect production and transportation facilities and personnel? If the answer is yes, is not her talk of ending the war just more empty rhetoric?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did/does HRC get most of her campaign funding from and how important has that been to her support for Bush policy and the war?</p>
<p>Does HRC support the law to privatize Iraqi oil, which some suggest will require a long-term&#8211;Korean style&#8211;US military presence to protect production and transportation facilities and personnel? If the answer is yes, is not her talk of ending the war just more empty rhetoric?</p>
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		<title>By: Dacker</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60120</link>
		<dc:creator>Dacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sen Clinton is a smart woman. She, and the other representatives, clearly knew that they were authorizing the war that followed. Many citizens, including me, let her know our opposition to the bill. She agonized, and then voted the easy, and wrong, way. Unless she apologizes for that vote, nothing she says about it is relevant.

Now, why is Kucinich, one of the few who had (and has) the guts to go against the current, invariably dismissed as a fringe candidate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen Clinton is a smart woman. She, and the other representatives, clearly knew that they were authorizing the war that followed. Many citizens, including me, let her know our opposition to the bill. She agonized, and then voted the easy, and wrong, way. Unless she apologizes for that vote, nothing she says about it is relevant.</p>
<p>Now, why is Kucinich, one of the few who had (and has) the guts to go against the current, invariably dismissed as a fringe candidate?</p>
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		<title>By: Dacker</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60119</link>
		<dc:creator>Dacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sen Clinton is a smart woman. She, and the other representatives, clearly knew that they were authorizing the war that followed. Many citizens, including me, let her know our opposition to the bill. She agonized, and then voted the easy, and wrong, way. NOTHING</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen Clinton is a smart woman. She, and the other representatives, clearly knew that they were authorizing the war that followed. Many citizens, including me, let her know our opposition to the bill. She agonized, and then voted the easy, and wrong, way. NOTHING</p>
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		<title>By: W.M. Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60113</link>
		<dc:creator>W.M. Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disappointing that you are putting Mr. Beinart,

who came off v. poorly, both as a rhetorician and in terms of his actual expertise, on Bill Moyer&#039;s show about the decisions leading up to the war,

into a lineup with Gerth, Chafee, et al . . . ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappointing that you are putting Mr. Beinart,</p>
<p>who came off v. poorly, both as a rhetorician and in terms of his actual expertise, on Bill Moyer&#8217;s show about the decisions leading up to the war,</p>
<p>into a lineup with Gerth, Chafee, et al . . . ..</p>
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		<title>By: Samgr</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60112</link>
		<dc:creator>Samgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks bft. You are my roll model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks bft. You are my roll model.</p>
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		<title>By: bft</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/hillary-clintons-war-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-60111</link>
		<dc:creator>bft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Roll&lt;/I&gt; call. &lt;I&gt;Role&lt;/I&gt; model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Roll</i> call. <i>Role</i> model.</p>
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