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		<title>By: CBP</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-39277</link>
		<dc:creator>CBP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 05:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I am only partially joking.  I am frustrated that public radio listeners are so easily led to believe oil as a valuable commodity, and not the dangerous, addictive substance that it is.  If it&#039;s not possible to convince intellectual Americans that oil is not an asset, how are we to persuade less well-informed people in other nations of the same fact?

The only way to get an addict off drugs is to deny them drugs.  It would be relatively easy for the US to curtail oil production around the world, and in the interest of the world to do so...  not that we would be able to claim the moral high ground considering the sheer amount of fossil fuels we consume every day.

If we were an energy-independent nation, however, and we were to bomb the refineries, pipelines and transportation infrastructure of oil-producing nations, or even threaten to do so, developing countries would move to sustainable energy models quicker than you could possibly imagine, rather than actively working to bring on the impending climate collapse as they are currently doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I am only partially joking.  I am frustrated that public radio listeners are so easily led to believe oil as a valuable commodity, and not the dangerous, addictive substance that it is.  If it&#8217;s not possible to convince intellectual Americans that oil is not an asset, how are we to persuade less well-informed people in other nations of the same fact?</p>
<p>The only way to get an addict off drugs is to deny them drugs.  It would be relatively easy for the US to curtail oil production around the world, and in the interest of the world to do so&#8230;  not that we would be able to claim the moral high ground considering the sheer amount of fossil fuels we consume every day.</p>
<p>If we were an energy-independent nation, however, and we were to bomb the refineries, pipelines and transportation infrastructure of oil-producing nations, or even threaten to do so, developing countries would move to sustainable energy models quicker than you could possibly imagine, rather than actively working to bring on the impending climate collapse as they are currently doing.</p>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-38494</link>
		<dc:creator>rc21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serious or joking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious or joking?</p>
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		<title>By: CBP</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-38112</link>
		<dc:creator>CBP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is anyone talking about oil reserves and revenues when the burning of said oil will result in the deaths of millions of humans and the complete extinction of millions of species?  I am writing, of course, about global warming.  Shouldn&#039;t the priority be first and foremost to live sustainably before we start talking about petty human problems like war and conflict?  Why aren&#039;t we bombing Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela to keep them from selling more of their black death, regardless of their political intentions?  Bombing Iraq seems to have reduced its capacity to poison the world with oil.  Why shouldn&#039;t the same technique work with other countries?

Why are a few million lives today worth more than a few billion tomorrow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is anyone talking about oil reserves and revenues when the burning of said oil will result in the deaths of millions of humans and the complete extinction of millions of species?  I am writing, of course, about global warming.  Shouldn&#8217;t the priority be first and foremost to live sustainably before we start talking about petty human problems like war and conflict?  Why aren&#8217;t we bombing Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela to keep them from selling more of their black death, regardless of their political intentions?  Bombing Iraq seems to have reduced its capacity to poison the world with oil.  Why shouldn&#8217;t the same technique work with other countries?</p>
<p>Why are a few million lives today worth more than a few billion tomorrow?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-37942</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US and in fact the global oil industry has been obsessed with keeping Iraqi oil OFF THE MARKET as long as possible.  In the &#039;20s the discovery of more oil provinces  in Iraq nearly equal to Saudi Arabia&#039;s threatened to cause the price of oil to plumment, and a US-UK concession in Iraq had a private agreement to pretend it didn&#039;t exist, resulting in Iraqi &quot;known reserves&quot; registered with OPEC being far lower than actual known reserves.  Maintenance of Iraq&#039;s low position as a producer was and is an important pillar of the industry&#039;s mideast policy.
Greg Palast has covered this very well.  See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm:

&quot;The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq&#039;s oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq&#039;s oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas.&quot; ...

&quot;Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of Iraq&#039;s oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme.

&quot;Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: &quot;There was to be no privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved.&quot;  ...

&quot;Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq&#039;s oil fields.

&quot;He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said America should have gone ahead with what he called a &quot;no-brainer&quot; decision.

&quot;Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, &quot;I would agree with that statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought about by someone with no brain.&quot; ...

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Personally I suspect that permanent misery and chaos would suit the oil industry just as well as rigid control by a Saddam-lite replacement strongman.

Alex Brown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US and in fact the global oil industry has been obsessed with keeping Iraqi oil OFF THE MARKET as long as possible.  In the &#8217;20s the discovery of more oil provinces  in Iraq nearly equal to Saudi Arabia&#8217;s threatened to cause the price of oil to plumment, and a US-UK concession in Iraq had a private agreement to pretend it didn&#8217;t exist, resulting in Iraqi &#8220;known reserves&#8221; registered with OPEC being far lower than actual known reserves.  Maintenance of Iraq&#8217;s low position as a producer was and is an important pillar of the industry&#8217;s mideast policy.<br />
Greg Palast has covered this very well.  See <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq&#8217;s oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq&#8217;s oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas.&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of Iraq&#8217;s oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: &#8220;There was to be no privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved.&#8221;  &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq&#8217;s oil fields.</p>
<p>&#8220;He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said America should have gone ahead with what he called a &#8220;no-brainer&#8221; decision.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, &#8220;I would agree with that statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought about by someone with no brain.&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Personally I suspect that permanent misery and chaos would suit the oil industry just as well as rigid control by a Saddam-lite replacement strongman.</p>
<p>Alex Brown</p>
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		<title>By: Loay</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-37939</link>
		<dc:creator>Loay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are we and what right do we have to even engagei n such a debate? The arrogance and lunacy of the American elite knows no limits. Any law will last until the last embassy employee is ferried by the last helicopter out of the &quot;Green Zone&quot;. This smacks of the same fantasy as building a Iraqi oil pipe line to Israel. 

Loay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are we and what right do we have to even engagei n such a debate? The arrogance and lunacy of the American elite knows no limits. Any law will last until the last embassy employee is ferried by the last helicopter out of the &#8220;Green Zone&#8221;. This smacks of the same fantasy as building a Iraqi oil pipe line to Israel. </p>
<p>Loay</p>
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		<title>By: wholesome</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-37936</link>
		<dc:creator>wholesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgotten america
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the sins of the fathers of once and when
now upon all the sons of all the men 
of what was once america
and the clamorant crowds no longer mild
mistaken to what is seen the devil
visiting war on foreign shores
and the seas will wash back the level
those seething crowds now crazy and wild
haunting all the places once sacred
never there, always here and here and here
its the world in the mind
that perceives a different kind
and sees just the ghost of sorrows
the phantoms of the hungry child
as tiny hands bite into the soil
and all these lands turned to desert sands
for what was once America
for who have we become, we those sons
bearing all the sins upon us
that heavy load as the bombs implode
in our heart and deepened sorrow
having mused what was once enough
and now washed back to sea
those chosen few who really knew
and choose not but what&#039;s upon us
and that dream, that american dream
in our sleep and in our slumber
a nightmare become and hope undone
the exchange of reserves we&#039;d preserve
barrels of bullets for barrels of oil
and now its we who are most imperiled
the sins of the fathers now dead
and world we alive now dread
and whither to for all our sons
by load forced to bended knee
to pray to dust again 
and pray a more godly dream
for some long forgotten america</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgotten america<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
the sins of the fathers of once and when<br />
now upon all the sons of all the men<br />
of what was once america<br />
and the clamorant crowds no longer mild<br />
mistaken to what is seen the devil<br />
visiting war on foreign shores<br />
and the seas will wash back the level<br />
those seething crowds now crazy and wild<br />
haunting all the places once sacred<br />
never there, always here and here and here<br />
its the world in the mind<br />
that perceives a different kind<br />
and sees just the ghost of sorrows<br />
the phantoms of the hungry child<br />
as tiny hands bite into the soil<br />
and all these lands turned to desert sands<br />
for what was once America<br />
for who have we become, we those sons<br />
bearing all the sins upon us<br />
that heavy load as the bombs implode<br />
in our heart and deepened sorrow<br />
having mused what was once enough<br />
and now washed back to sea<br />
those chosen few who really knew<br />
and choose not but what&#8217;s upon us<br />
and that dream, that american dream<br />
in our sleep and in our slumber<br />
a nightmare become and hope undone<br />
the exchange of reserves we&#8217;d preserve<br />
barrels of bullets for barrels of oil<br />
and now its we who are most imperiled<br />
the sins of the fathers now dead<br />
and world we alive now dread<br />
and whither to for all our sons<br />
by load forced to bended knee<br />
to pray to dust again<br />
and pray a more godly dream<br />
for some long forgotten america</p>
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		<title>By: MarkGiese</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-37929</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkGiese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not keep the books of this non-profit corp. on the web where anyone can audit them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not keep the books of this non-profit corp. on the web where anyone can audit them?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkGiese</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-37911</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkGiese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most governments that have control of oil resources are despotic and violate human rights.  If we set up yet another such government aren&#039;t we going to perpetuate the problems present in Iraq today?  What if the US took control of the oil industry and set up a non-profit corporation that was dedicated to distributing the oil profits to the entire Iraqi population (including women!) similar to the payments distributed to Alaska residents?  Wouldn&#039;t the power structure in the country be much more likely to behave reasonably?  Could this sort of an arrangement prompt liberalization in other countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most governments that have control of oil resources are despotic and violate human rights.  If we set up yet another such government aren&#8217;t we going to perpetuate the problems present in Iraq today?  What if the US took control of the oil industry and set up a non-profit corporation that was dedicated to distributing the oil profits to the entire Iraqi population (including women!) similar to the payments distributed to Alaska residents?  Wouldn&#8217;t the power structure in the country be much more likely to behave reasonably?  Could this sort of an arrangement prompt liberalization in other countries?</p>
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		<title>By: loki</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-37904</link>
		<dc:creator>loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the selling points of the war was that the invasion and reconstruction of Iraq would be funded by Iraq&#039;s oil reserves. Whar happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the selling points of the war was that the invasion and reconstruction of Iraq would be funded by Iraq&#8217;s oil reserves. Whar happened?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-37734</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ISG Report states that &quot;the United States should assist Iraqi leaders to reorganize the national oil industry as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebushagenda.net/article.php?id=290&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a commercial enterprise.&lt;a&gt;&quot;

&quot;(ISG co-author) Baker is a longtime associate and now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bakerbotts.com/lawyers/detail.aspx?id=a1789334-3f27-48d5-b844-211455e4beff&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;senior partner&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenation.com/doc/20041011/bryce&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baker Botts&lt;/a&gt;, which this year, for the second year running, was recipient of &quot;The International Who&#039;s Who of Business Lawyers Oil &amp; Gas Law Firm of the Year Award,&quot; while the Middle East remains a central focus of the firm.&quot; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebushagenda.net/article.php?id=43&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Antonia Juhasz&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ISG Report states that &#8220;the United States should assist Iraqi leaders to reorganize the national oil industry as <a href="http://www.thebushagenda.net/article.php?id=290" rel="nofollow">a commercial enterprise.</a><a>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;(ISG co-author) Baker is a longtime associate and now </a><a href="http://www.bakerbotts.com/lawyers/detail.aspx?id=a1789334-3f27-48d5-b844-211455e4beff" rel="nofollow">senior partner</a> of <a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20041011/bryce" rel="nofollow">Baker Botts</a>, which this year, for the second year running, was recipient of &#8220;The International Who&#8217;s Who of Business Lawyers Oil &amp; Gas Law Firm of the Year Award,&#8221; while the Middle East remains a central focus of the firm.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.thebushagenda.net/article.php?id=43" rel="nofollow">Antonia Juhasz</a></p>
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		<title>By: sana</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/iraqs-oil-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-37605</link>
		<dc:creator>sana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious as to whose interests are represented by Iraq&#039;s current minister to OPEC?  Who is he, how and when did he gain that position and by what authority?

Also, though exit strategy in Iraq isn&#039;t your topic, shouldn&#039;t we expect whatever course President Bush announces next month to be defined by the answers to the questions you pose above as much as by public opinion or anything else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious as to whose interests are represented by Iraq&#8217;s current minister to OPEC?  Who is he, how and when did he gain that position and by what authority?</p>
<p>Also, though exit strategy in Iraq isn&#8217;t your topic, shouldn&#8217;t we expect whatever course President Bush announces next month to be defined by the answers to the questions you pose above as much as by public opinion or anything else?</p>
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