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	<title>Comments on: Israel and Lebanon: Three Views of a Regional War</title>
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		<title>By: Radio Open Source on Differing Perspectives on the Middle East</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/israel-and-lebanon-three-views-of-a-regional-war/#comment-134786</link>
		<dc:creator>Radio Open Source on Differing Perspectives on the Middle East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For a contextual dissection and discussion on the Hezbollah and Israeli conflict, I highly recomend this discussion by Christopher Lydon on NPR&#8217;s Radio Open Source. The discussion featured Anthony Shadid of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Radio Open Source on Differing Perspectives on the Middle East &#124; Dan Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radio Open Source on Differing Perspectives on the Middle East &#124; Dan Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Radio Open Source on Differing Perspectives on the Middle East &#124; Creepy Sleepy</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/israel-and-lebanon-three-views-of-a-regional-war/#comment-76033</link>
		<dc:creator>Radio Open Source on Differing Perspectives on the Middle East &#124; Creepy Sleepy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a contextual dissection and discussion on the Hezbollah and Israeli conflict, I highly recomend this discussion by Christopher Lydon on NPR&#8217;s Radio Open Source. The discussion featured Anthony Shadid of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: zagidog</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/israel-and-lebanon-three-views-of-a-regional-war/#comment-76032</link>
		<dc:creator>zagidog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allison, go back to Spring 2002 on the eve of the Israeli invasion of the West Bank with Sharon&#039;s intended mission to destroy the Palestinian authority because he like Netanyahu never supported the Oslo process or wanted it to succeed, though Clinton did twist Netanyahu&#039;s arm a bit at Wye.  At the precipice of that invasion the Arab League meeting in Beirut offered Israel the Saudi plan, i.e., full normalization of relations with the Arab world.  Peace and economic interconnectedness, in exchange for Israel finally accepting U.N. Security Council Res. 242, i.e., give up the 22% of Palestine on the West Bank and Gaza to Palestinians for a SOVERIGN state.  When you have the full Arab League behind such a proposal, it can be supported by the entire world community with money and peacekeepers.  Hang on groups who didn&#039;t like it, such as Hezbollah and Iran, could then be truly marginalized by ACTION brought on by broad consensus.  Did Sharon and Israel consider this call to implement what had been known as the Saudi plan put forth by the Arab League?  No, they rejected it out of hand because of Sharon&#039;s vision.  You can read more about the historical tenacity with which Sharon has stuck to his goal of obliterating the Palestinians as a meaningful political entity in Noam Chomsky&#039;s book on the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, &quot;The Fateful Triangle&quot;.  Look at the bigger picture and ask yourself, historically, has Israel wanted peace with its neighbors, OR the expansion of its territory, OR BOTH?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allison, go back to Spring 2002 on the eve of the Israeli invasion of the West Bank with Sharon&#8217;s intended mission to destroy the Palestinian authority because he like Netanyahu never supported the Oslo process or wanted it to succeed, though Clinton did twist Netanyahu&#8217;s arm a bit at Wye.  At the precipice of that invasion the Arab League meeting in Beirut offered Israel the Saudi plan, i.e., full normalization of relations with the Arab world.  Peace and economic interconnectedness, in exchange for Israel finally accepting U.N. Security Council Res. 242, i.e., give up the 22% of Palestine on the West Bank and Gaza to Palestinians for a SOVERIGN state.  When you have the full Arab League behind such a proposal, it can be supported by the entire world community with money and peacekeepers.  Hang on groups who didn&#8217;t like it, such as Hezbollah and Iran, could then be truly marginalized by ACTION brought on by broad consensus.  Did Sharon and Israel consider this call to implement what had been known as the Saudi plan put forth by the Arab League?  No, they rejected it out of hand because of Sharon&#8217;s vision.  You can read more about the historical tenacity with which Sharon has stuck to his goal of obliterating the Palestinians as a meaningful political entity in Noam Chomsky&#8217;s book on the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, &#8220;The Fateful Triangle&#8221;.  Look at the bigger picture and ask yourself, historically, has Israel wanted peace with its neighbors, OR the expansion of its territory, OR BOTH?</p>
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		<title>By: dose :: Friday Collectik Mix - July 21 :: July :: 2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>dose :: Friday Collectik Mix - July 21 :: July :: 2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Collectik News &#187; Friday Mix - July 21</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collectik News &#187; Friday Mix - July 21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone wrote that if peace were brokered and Israel and Palestine agreed to co-exist that Hezbollah would not have a reason to exist.



From what I&#039;ve heard about the stated mission of Hezbollah/Iran, which is to wipe Israel off the planet, I don&#039;t see how this peace agreement would affect them at all. It might make them more angry.



I think efforts have to be made to give the young people who are signing on to the terrorist activities other things to do. Other perceptions to hold onto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone wrote that if peace were brokered and Israel and Palestine agreed to co-exist that Hezbollah would not have a reason to exist.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve heard about the stated mission of Hezbollah/Iran, which is to wipe Israel off the planet, I don&#8217;t see how this peace agreement would affect them at all. It might make them more angry.</p>
<p>I think efforts have to be made to give the young people who are signing on to the terrorist activities other things to do. Other perceptions to hold onto.</p>
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		<title>By: faysal</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/israel-and-lebanon-three-views-of-a-regional-war/#comment-76028</link>
		<dc:creator>faysal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Nick:



&quot;is it fair for the Lebanese who were NOT religiously sociopathic to be held responsible for the bigger, stronger, better-armed and famously crazy brother?&quot;



Absolutely not. As a Lebanese myself, I despise Hizbullah, but I cannot condone the punishment of a civilian population. HA represents a portion of Lebanon&#039;s Shiite constituency, who were historically marginalized politically and who only gained access to Lebanese public life through Iranian support in the form of Hizbullah. Thus, they are extremely protective over Hizbullah&#039;s current status.



Because of the nature of Lebanon&#039;s confessional system and its rather colorful history of inter-communal violence, it would have been impossible for the Lebanese Army to move militarily against Hizbullah without the army itself fracturing along sectarian lines and provoking a Lebanese civil war. This would definitely not have been in the interests of Israel. Also, Syria - Hizbullah&#039;s patron and conduit of Iranian weapons and finance - would never have allowed this and would have stepped up its campaign of terror and assassination in Lebanon, something I doubt the Israelis would have been kind enough to step in and prevent. Therefore, the reality of the Lebanese political situation dictated that out and out military action against Hizbullah was at this time impossible. The alternatives are worse than the current situation, for both Israel and Lebanon.



&quot;I donâ€™t understand how bombing the Lebanese infrastructure back to where it was developmentally 20 years ago helps them gain any strength to fight the influence of Hezbollah if they wanted to.&quot;



I agree. This campaign has done nothing but radicalize the Shiites who are going to support HA no matter how hard you bomb them while making enemies of all the other sects who are un-armed and have greater political maturity and interest in a stable and strong Lebanese government. Destroying Lebanon strengthens non-state elements and fractures the fragile democracy and country the Lebanese have worked so hard to built after 30 years of war and occupation. Shameful.



The real culprits behind this war are of course Iran and Syria, neither of which are in any danger of being attacked by the US and Israel. Thus, Israel attacks who it can not who it must. Tough luck for the Lebanese? Maybe. But don&#039;t go on about the lack of peace in the region and animosity from Israel&#039;s northern neighbor if this is going to be approach.



It&#039;s ironic that in destroying Lebanon, Israel is attacking the Middle Eastern nation most likely to be open to a peacable relationship with it. Lebanon is modern, cosmopolitan and (imperfectly) democratic. This is definitely a loss.



What&#039;s doubly ironic is how this will all end: either in civil war when the Israelis succeed in bullying the Lebanese government to use force against Hizbullah. OR in an enhanced Hizbullah position when the Israelis - who don&#039;t have the stomach for a prolonged land war - are repelled by the Hizbullah zealots. Grim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Nick:</p>
<p>&#8220;is it fair for the Lebanese who were NOT religiously sociopathic to be held responsible for the bigger, stronger, better-armed and famously crazy brother?&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely not. As a Lebanese myself, I despise Hizbullah, but I cannot condone the punishment of a civilian population. HA represents a portion of Lebanon&#8217;s Shiite constituency, who were historically marginalized politically and who only gained access to Lebanese public life through Iranian support in the form of Hizbullah. Thus, they are extremely protective over Hizbullah&#8217;s current status.</p>
<p>Because of the nature of Lebanon&#8217;s confessional system and its rather colorful history of inter-communal violence, it would have been impossible for the Lebanese Army to move militarily against Hizbullah without the army itself fracturing along sectarian lines and provoking a Lebanese civil war. This would definitely not have been in the interests of Israel. Also, Syria &#8211; Hizbullah&#8217;s patron and conduit of Iranian weapons and finance &#8211; would never have allowed this and would have stepped up its campaign of terror and assassination in Lebanon, something I doubt the Israelis would have been kind enough to step in and prevent. Therefore, the reality of the Lebanese political situation dictated that out and out military action against Hizbullah was at this time impossible. The alternatives are worse than the current situation, for both Israel and Lebanon.</p>
<p>&#8220;I donâ€™t understand how bombing the Lebanese infrastructure back to where it was developmentally 20 years ago helps them gain any strength to fight the influence of Hezbollah if they wanted to.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. This campaign has done nothing but radicalize the Shiites who are going to support HA no matter how hard you bomb them while making enemies of all the other sects who are un-armed and have greater political maturity and interest in a stable and strong Lebanese government. Destroying Lebanon strengthens non-state elements and fractures the fragile democracy and country the Lebanese have worked so hard to built after 30 years of war and occupation. Shameful.</p>
<p>The real culprits behind this war are of course Iran and Syria, neither of which are in any danger of being attacked by the US and Israel. Thus, Israel attacks who it can not who it must. Tough luck for the Lebanese? Maybe. But don&#8217;t go on about the lack of peace in the region and animosity from Israel&#8217;s northern neighbor if this is going to be approach.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that in destroying Lebanon, Israel is attacking the Middle Eastern nation most likely to be open to a peacable relationship with it. Lebanon is modern, cosmopolitan and (imperfectly) democratic. This is definitely a loss.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s doubly ironic is how this will all end: either in civil war when the Israelis succeed in bullying the Lebanese government to use force against Hizbullah. OR in an enhanced Hizbullah position when the Israelis &#8211; who don&#8217;t have the stomach for a prolonged land war &#8211; are repelled by the Hizbullah zealots. Grim.</p>
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		<title>By: zagidog</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/israel-and-lebanon-three-views-of-a-regional-war/#comment-76027</link>
		<dc:creator>zagidog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Root causes. Let&#039;s see.  How about Sykes-Picot and Balfour Declaration which flew is the face of the democratic consensus on the ground (see Woodrow Wilson&#039;s King-Crane Commission Report on the web for overwhelming statistical evidence of this consensus, i.e, facts on the ground.  Or, how about the population and land ownership stats in November 1947.  Yes, the same month that Truman armtwisted and forced the brand spanking new U.N to give Zionism (not yet Israel) 56% of Palestinian land, even though the Jewish National Fund owned only 6.59% and consituted only one-third of the population.  For the biased UNSCOP recommendation in favor of Zionism that was &quot;voted&quot; on, i.e., forced through by Truman, see Ilan Pappe&#039;s &quot;The Making ...&quot;.  Since 1885 when the Zionist push to colonize Palestine began, that&#039;s 65 years, this is all that Zionism could accomplish in terms of population and land ownership dominance, so they turned to the great powers to help them steal the land, and wonder today why they live in a dangerous neighborhood.  This blows the Israeli myth apart that there were no people on the land and that those who were there did not want the land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Root causes. Let&#8217;s see.  How about Sykes-Picot and Balfour Declaration which flew is the face of the democratic consensus on the ground (see Woodrow Wilson&#8217;s King-Crane Commission Report on the web for overwhelming statistical evidence of this consensus, i.e, facts on the ground.  Or, how about the population and land ownership stats in November 1947.  Yes, the same month that Truman armtwisted and forced the brand spanking new U.N to give Zionism (not yet Israel) 56% of Palestinian land, even though the Jewish National Fund owned only 6.59% and consituted only one-third of the population.  For the biased UNSCOP recommendation in favor of Zionism that was &#8220;voted&#8221; on, i.e., forced through by Truman, see Ilan Pappe&#8217;s &#8220;The Making &#8230;&#8221;.  Since 1885 when the Zionist push to colonize Palestine began, that&#8217;s 65 years, this is all that Zionism could accomplish in terms of population and land ownership dominance, so they turned to the great powers to help them steal the land, and wonder today why they live in a dangerous neighborhood.  This blows the Israeli myth apart that there were no people on the land and that those who were there did not want the land.</p>
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		<title>By: sidewalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>sidewalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dayan, are you looking for another society to be ripped apart? Hasn&#039;t there been enough with Iraq and now Lebanon? It is all out of proportion to the actual threat. It seems to me that the most militarized nations pose the biggest obstacle to greater peace in the world. Sharing rather than taking and aggressively defending seems a better way forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dayan, are you looking for another society to be ripped apart? Hasn&#8217;t there been enough with Iraq and now Lebanon? It is all out of proportion to the actual threat. It seems to me that the most militarized nations pose the biggest obstacle to greater peace in the world. Sharing rather than taking and aggressively defending seems a better way forward.</p>
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