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		<title>By: macharia</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63363</link>
		<dc:creator>macharia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Endoman, I read your post about HIV  and AIDS and Kenyan street workers with great  interest.  You state that over 75% of Kenyan Street workers are HIV positive. Although it is difficult to know the validity of such numbers, it is also important to know that street work is not the bread and butter of Kenyans. I would like to clarify that in order alley the notion that the 75% may actually represent the Kenyan society. It is fallacious, and misleading  to represent information in this way, because it is obvoiusly exaggerated.  It is also not true as you state that &quot;this is growing problem in the area.&quot;  That is not to say that street workers are not an important people in the society, just like they may be an important people in the society where you live. I am interested to know how you manage HIV and related issues among street workers in your community, and whether you have specific insights, and suggestions, about how this can be done better in Kenya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Endoman, I read your post about HIV  and AIDS and Kenyan street workers with great  interest.  You state that over 75% of Kenyan Street workers are HIV positive. Although it is difficult to know the validity of such numbers, it is also important to know that street work is not the bread and butter of Kenyans. I would like to clarify that in order alley the notion that the 75% may actually represent the Kenyan society. It is fallacious, and misleading  to represent information in this way, because it is obvoiusly exaggerated.  It is also not true as you state that &#8220;this is growing problem in the area.&#8221;  That is not to say that street workers are not an important people in the society, just like they may be an important people in the society where you live. I am interested to know how you manage HIV and related issues among street workers in your community, and whether you have specific insights, and suggestions, about how this can be done better in Kenya.</p>
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		<title>By: endoman</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63362</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago I read in the paper that over 75% of Kenyan street workers (prostitutes) are HIV positive. Apparently this is a growin problem in the area, which suffers so severely from this devestating virus and its associated diseases. What is the government doing to curb HIV and AIDS and how public education is being implemented and communicated to this segment of the society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago I read in the paper that over 75% of Kenyan street workers (prostitutes) are HIV positive. Apparently this is a growin problem in the area, which suffers so severely from this devestating virus and its associated diseases. What is the government doing to curb HIV and AIDS and how public education is being implemented and communicated to this segment of the society?</p>
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		<title>By: macharia</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63361</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you FCONTE. It is extremely worrisome for us Kenyans, and other Africans to listen to Sachs reasoning. None of the arguments presented is likely to result in sustainable development, because it lacks consideration of the system dynamic. His misrepresentation of China&#039;s and India&#039;s success, which we know is largely due to nurturing native capabilities rather than pouring of billions of aid money. We are aware of the great damage that aid has done to Kenya in the past.  The development aid model has created the third world conditions, as we know it today.



Here is what Jeffrey Sachs did not disclose in the interview. First, that Sauri is not poor, but it was impoverished by the closure of the Kisumu Cotton Mills, and other industrial capacity,  following high level corruption, and debt/aid issues related to the World Bank. The people of Nyanza Province found themselves without a source of livelihood. They were forced back into subsistence, and extreme poverty.



Second is that Sauri is very close to Lake Victoria, where there is abundance of fish. Sachs did not discuss why he is not encouraging people of Sauri to get fish from the lake. That beats reason, sincerely!



Third, he spoke of getting a philanthropist to give fertilizer for helping crops to grow. The problem is that, it is not that there is no fertilizer in Kenya, or people of Sauri cannot be trained to us their locally homegrown technology, such as biomass, to revitalize their soils. He did not tell us from who he will be buying the fertilizer for the crops, and how flooding the country with foreign fertilizers will disrupt the local capacity to produce fertilizers. He has adopted similar approach to malaria control, raising funds in the west, and flooding local markets with foreign products, that come into the country (see http://www.kdnc.org/print.php?sid=37). The problem with that model is that it has effectually put millions of people out of business, effectively pushing them deeper into poverty. It is arguably true that actions like that are the real cause of extreme poverty, as we know it today. How smart is that in trying to achieve end of poverty.



We (Kenyans) do not want to go through this cycle. We insist that if Sachs wants to work there, he needs to think through his plans much better that he is doing. The serial plot he is passionately describing, of doing one thing (say importing fertilizer for the people of Sauri) and then consider helping them develop sustainable thinking later lacks the appreciation of systems dynamic. It is fundamental fact that every action results in reactions elsewhere in the system. Disrupting one area, without creating a balancing loop on other areas has lead to massive poverty in the third world, as we know it today.



For more views about this topic, see James Theuriâ€™s commentary.



http://www.kdnc.org/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=45&amp;mode=thread&amp;order=0&amp;thold=0



or

http://www.kdnc.org/print.php?sid=45



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http://www.kdnc.org/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=News&amp;file=index&amp;catid=11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you FCONTE. It is extremely worrisome for us Kenyans, and other Africans to listen to Sachs reasoning. None of the arguments presented is likely to result in sustainable development, because it lacks consideration of the system dynamic. His misrepresentation of China&#8217;s and India&#8217;s success, which we know is largely due to nurturing native capabilities rather than pouring of billions of aid money. We are aware of the great damage that aid has done to Kenya in the past.  The development aid model has created the third world conditions, as we know it today.</p>
<p>Here is what Jeffrey Sachs did not disclose in the interview. First, that Sauri is not poor, but it was impoverished by the closure of the Kisumu Cotton Mills, and other industrial capacity,  following high level corruption, and debt/aid issues related to the World Bank. The people of Nyanza Province found themselves without a source of livelihood. They were forced back into subsistence, and extreme poverty.</p>
<p>Second is that Sauri is very close to Lake Victoria, where there is abundance of fish. Sachs did not discuss why he is not encouraging people of Sauri to get fish from the lake. That beats reason, sincerely!</p>
<p>Third, he spoke of getting a philanthropist to give fertilizer for helping crops to grow. The problem is that, it is not that there is no fertilizer in Kenya, or people of Sauri cannot be trained to us their locally homegrown technology, such as biomass, to revitalize their soils. He did not tell us from who he will be buying the fertilizer for the crops, and how flooding the country with foreign fertilizers will disrupt the local capacity to produce fertilizers. He has adopted similar approach to malaria control, raising funds in the west, and flooding local markets with foreign products, that come into the country (see <a  href="http://www.kdnc.org/print.php?sid=37" rel="nofollow">http://www.kdnc.org/print.php?sid=37</a>). The problem with that model is that it has effectually put millions of people out of business, effectively pushing them deeper into poverty. It is arguably true that actions like that are the real cause of extreme poverty, as we know it today. How smart is that in trying to achieve end of poverty.</p>
<p>We (Kenyans) do not want to go through this cycle. We insist that if Sachs wants to work there, he needs to think through his plans much better that he is doing. The serial plot he is passionately describing, of doing one thing (say importing fertilizer for the people of Sauri) and then consider helping them develop sustainable thinking later lacks the appreciation of systems dynamic. It is fundamental fact that every action results in reactions elsewhere in the system. Disrupting one area, without creating a balancing loop on other areas has lead to massive poverty in the third world, as we know it today.</p>
<p>For more views about this topic, see James Theuriâ€™s commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: fconte</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63360</link>
		<dc:creator>fconte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am impresssed with the fact that most of the callers to this evening&#039;s program with Jeffrey Sachs were far more intelligent than the economist.  One of the problems with Sach&#039;s analysis is that he downplays corrpution an issue that wasn&#039;t lost upon at least a couple of the callers.  What ever happend to all those billions. He misunderstands the Green Revolution in China. No it was the adoption of private property and market reforms that got Red China going.



The long and the short of it is that the world acording to Bono Sachs&#039;s overrated student and propangandist is wrong. Debt relief they say is a solution. Well the corrupt goverments have figured it out: just run up debt and wait til the next round of debt forgiveness.  I do like some of Sach&#039;s observations -small approaches sometimes work; I do not like his gratuitous jabs at the President.  (As I remember correctly the folks who ran plans into the World Trade Center were quite affluent; as the the remark about the most militarized administration someone would be wise to tell the professor we are at war.)



For a more balanced view of development economics one should read --with Sachs&#039;s platitudes in mind -- the critical work of William Easterly. It&#039;s too bad that Sachs is smugly dismissive of his critics.  Who&#039;s really waving their arms here Professor Sachs?  Who&#039;s really delusional about foreign aid, I suspect it&#039;s not Sach&#039;s critics. In the final draw, Easterly gets the best of Sachs. See

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64541-2005Mar24.html



For Easterly&#039;s review of THE END OF POVERTY see

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25562-2005Mar10?language=printer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am impresssed with the fact that most of the callers to this evening&#8217;s program with Jeffrey Sachs were far more intelligent than the economist.  One of the problems with Sach&#8217;s analysis is that he downplays corrpution an issue that wasn&#8217;t lost upon at least a couple of the callers.  What ever happend to all those billions. He misunderstands the Green Revolution in China. No it was the adoption of private property and market reforms that got Red China going.</p>
<p>The long and the short of it is that the world acording to Bono Sachs&#8217;s overrated student and propangandist is wrong. Debt relief they say is a solution. Well the corrupt goverments have figured it out: just run up debt and wait til the next round of debt forgiveness.  I do like some of Sach&#8217;s observations -small approaches sometimes work; I do not like his gratuitous jabs at the President.  (As I remember correctly the folks who ran plans into the World Trade Center were quite affluent; as the the remark about the most militarized administration someone would be wise to tell the professor we are at war.)</p>
<p>For a more balanced view of development economics one should read &#8211;with Sachs&#8217;s platitudes in mind &#8212; the critical work of William Easterly. It&#8217;s too bad that Sachs is smugly dismissive of his critics.  Who&#8217;s really waving their arms here Professor Sachs?  Who&#8217;s really delusional about foreign aid, I suspect it&#8217;s not Sach&#8217;s critics. In the final draw, Easterly gets the best of Sachs. See</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64541-2005Mar24.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64541-2005Mar24.html</a></p>
<p>For Easterly&#8217;s review of THE END OF POVERTY see</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25562-2005Mar10?language=printer" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A25562-2005Mar10?language=printer</a></p>
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		<title>By: shpilk</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63359</link>
		<dc:creator>shpilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an old concept {covered years ago in Scintific American, I believe}, but could micro lending to creative women leaders/producers  part of the solution, bypassing the internal corrupt heirarchy?



I missed part of the show, so maybe this was covered previously. If so, my apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an old concept {covered years ago in Scintific American, I believe}, but could micro lending to creative women leaders/producers  part of the solution, bypassing the internal corrupt heirarchy?</p>
<p>I missed part of the show, so maybe this was covered previously. If so, my apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: jimv</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63358</link>
		<dc:creator>jimv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is remarkable to hear this discussion just after hearing the discussion on Market Place about the â€œDeath Taxâ€?.



How about caring Americans push to reinstate the â€œLife Taxâ€? on estates over (pick a number) $10,000000 at a rate of (another number) 15% for the next $90,000,000 and then  increase it etc. with the funds raised going to support lives in Africa?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is remarkable to hear this discussion just after hearing the discussion on Market Place about the â€œDeath Taxâ€?.</p>
<p>How about caring Americans push to reinstate the â€œLife Taxâ€? on estates over (pick a number) $10,000000 at a rate of (another number) 15% for the next $90,000,000 and then  increase it etc. with the funds raised going to support lives in Africa?</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63357</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dpaterson, if I understand correctly, your point is that pointed assistance -- mosquito nets, fertilizer -- can&#039;t solve the whole problem without (I wish I had a better phrase for it) land reform?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dpaterson, if I understand correctly, your point is that pointed assistance &#8212; mosquito nets, fertilizer &#8212; can&#8217;t solve the whole problem without (I wish I had a better phrase for it) land reform?</p>
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		<title>By: dpaterson</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63356</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I lived out in Western Kenya&#039;s Vihiga District where the average land holding per family is maybe one half acre for a family of 6.  So how does fertilizer help these folks?  It increases your food supply from one month to two.  These people need 4 acres or more.  What&#039;s the solution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I lived out in Western Kenya&#8217;s Vihiga District where the average land holding per family is maybe one half acre for a family of 6.  So how does fertilizer help these folks?  It increases your food supply from one month to two.  These people need 4 acres or more.  What&#8217;s the solution?</p>
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		<title>By: chadlupkes</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63355</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fertilizers are great, but please follow the chain back on where these fertiliziers come from and how we can keep them available over the long term.  I&#039;ve understood that they are made from petroleum products, which have a limited quantity.  We may be able to solve it in 20 years, but it will be back in another 5 when we run out of oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fertilizers are great, but please follow the chain back on where these fertiliziers come from and how we can keep them available over the long term.  I&#8217;ve understood that they are made from petroleum products, which have a limited quantity.  We may be able to solve it in 20 years, but it will be back in another 5 when we run out of oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Open Source &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thursday Night: Kenya</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/jeffrey-sachs-on-kenya/#comment-63354</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thursday Night: Kenya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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 			Thursday Night: Kenya


 					With Jeffrey Sachs.  As always, jump on the comment thread or call us, (877) 673 6767.



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