Comments on: Making the Rounds with Seymour Hersh http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:23:24 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: paul_mccarthy http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-165920 paul_mccarthy Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:40:19 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-165920 See the "About Us" link in the upper right hand corner of our site. See the “About Us” link in the upper right hand corner of our site.

]]> By: John Reynolds http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-165918 John Reynolds Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:56:09 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-165918 How can I make contact with Christopher Leyden? Please advise. Thanks. How can I make contact with Christopher Leyden?
Please advise.
Thanks.

]]> By: Cheney’s pre-4/19 mindset « Tinsel Wing http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-46358 Cheney’s pre-4/19 mindset « Tinsel Wing Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:45:09 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-46358 [...] uple radio interviews with Seymour Hersh about his Redirection article. The first was with Christopher Leyden, and I link it here because I haven’t listened yet, [...] [...] uple radio interviews with Seymour Hersh about his Redirection article. The first was with Christopher Leyden, and I link it here because I haven’t listened yet, [...]

]]> By: Nathaniel Landry http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-46222 Nathaniel Landry Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:47:44 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-46222 Michael Young being extremely critical of Hersh and his method (my posting this, to be clear, is a 100% devil's-advocate move, meant to extend the discussion; I'm still not sure where I come down on Young's piece): http://counterpunch.org/young03052007.html Michael Young being extremely critical of Hersh and his method
(my posting this, to be clear, is a 100% devil’s-advocate move, meant to extend the discussion; I’m still not sure where I come down on Young’s piece):

http://counterpunch.org/young03052007.html

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-46012 Potter Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:51:02 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-46012 Sorry- here is the link http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2007&m=02&d=23&a=9 Sorry- here is the link

http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2007&m=02&d=23&a=9

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-46011 Potter Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:50:14 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-46011 Good article from the New York Times last week reprinted here: Abbas Milani <a> Good article from the New York Times last week reprinted here:

Abbas Milani

]]> By: Brian Dunbar http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45992 Brian Dunbar Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:51:06 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45992 Did finally listen. 1. The availability of a podcast makes it handy to listen. It also removes some of the immediacy of the conversation we have here. Sure I can listen days or weeks later - but the web conversation can have drifted away by that time. 2. Mr. Hersh comes across as very partisan, which is not what one expects of a journalist. Nothing wrong with it but ... if he were ideologically polar opposite he'd be branded a Right Wing shill. Did finally listen.

1. The availability of a podcast makes it handy to listen. It also removes some of the immediacy of the conversation we have here. Sure I can listen days or weeks later – but the web conversation can have drifted away by that time.

2. Mr. Hersh comes across as very partisan, which is not what one expects of a journalist. Nothing wrong with it but … if he were ideologically polar opposite he’d be branded a Right Wing shill.

]]> By: Lettre 13 » Blog Archive » Seymour Hersh on Open Source http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45964 Lettre 13 » Blog Archive » Seymour Hersh on Open Source Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:12:11 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45964 [...] ministration is misguided and improvising regarding its Middle-East policies. Open Source, Making the Rounds with Seymour Hersh (mp3) [...] [...] ministration is misguided and improvising regarding its Middle-East policies. Open Source, Making the Rounds with Seymour Hersh (mp3) [...]

]]> By: Andrew Kinney http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45963 Andrew Kinney Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:00:36 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45963 I loved this show. And Mr. Hersh's piece. Nonetheless, I have to be honest--the "redirection" reminds me of Foucault's Pendulum (Umberto Eco's other novel). Which is not to say that our paranoia is underserved--I'm just confused, that's all. Reeling in the dark, not sure who (or what) to believe. But I swear, I'm going to get to the bottom of Bindar, Cheney, Nasrallah, Assad, Abrams, al-Sadr, Siniora, and everybody else. I loved this show. And Mr. Hersh’s piece. Nonetheless, I have to be honest–the “redirection” reminds me of Foucault’s Pendulum (Umberto Eco’s other novel). Which is not to say that our paranoia is underserved–I’m just confused, that’s all. Reeling in the dark, not sure who (or what) to believe. But I swear, I’m going to get to the bottom of Bindar, Cheney, Nasrallah, Assad, Abrams, al-Sadr, Siniora, and everybody else.

]]> By: This is really important and everyone should listen to one of these « http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45952 This is really important and everyone should listen to one of these « Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:43:54 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45952 [...] t before is open source with chris lydon. He interviewed seymour hersh and you can hear it HERE. PLEASE read or listen to this information it is the on [...] [...] t before is open source with chris lydon. He interviewed seymour hersh and you can hear it HERE. PLEASE read or listen to this information it is the on [...]

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45941 Potter Fri, 02 Mar 2007 03:33:43 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45941 Hello 1st/14th- What I meant was The New Yorker fact checks- and they have a reputation to uphold ( as does Sy Hersh) . As well, varying or using multiple sources to form a story over a longer period of time is infinitely better than using one or two. But perhaps it's the message you don't like, not the messenger? Hello 1st/14th- What I meant was The New Yorker fact checks- and they have a reputation to uphold ( as does Sy Hersh) . As well, varying or using multiple sources to form a story over a longer period of time is infinitely better than using one or two. But perhaps it’s the message you don’t like, not the messenger?

]]> By: rhydren http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45929 rhydren Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:46:46 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45929 If I could have 3 ipod wishes... 1. I could select one of 3 levels of radom shuffles, each having properties I defined on my computer. 2. The ipod would know if was shuffling songs vs. classical music. (Can't stand the way it breaks up movements like they were songs.) 3. And lastly, wouldn't it be nice if the wheel worked in both directions? Have you ever worked that wheel round and round to get to Yo-Yo Ma at the bottom? Don't you wish you could spin the thing in the other direction and it would run from Z to A? If I could have 3 ipod wishes…
1. I could select one of 3 levels of radom shuffles, each having properties I defined on my computer.
2. The ipod would know if was shuffling songs vs. classical music. (Can’t stand the way it breaks up movements like they were songs.)
3. And lastly, wouldn’t it be nice if the wheel worked in both directions? Have you ever worked that wheel round and round to get to Yo-Yo Ma at the bottom? Don’t you wish you could spin the thing in the other direction and it would run from Z to A?

]]> By: 1st/14th http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45924 1st/14th Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:18:56 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45924 How does Hersh verify his sources? Clearly he doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't cringe in shame when reminded of people like Lawrence Cusack , Joesph Flynn and Ari Ben Menashe. And then there was his bang up, top notch, first rate work on the downing of KAL-007. After all, why verify your sources, or even name then when they tell you EXACTLY what you want to hear (seriously, does anyone beleive that a member of SFOD-D would give this man the time of day)? How does Hersh verify his sources? Clearly he doesn’t, otherwise he wouldn’t cringe in shame when reminded of people like Lawrence Cusack , Joesph Flynn and Ari Ben Menashe. And then there was his bang up, top notch, first rate work on the downing of KAL-007.

After all, why verify your sources, or even name then when they tell you EXACTLY what you want to hear (seriously, does anyone beleive that a member of SFOD-D would give this man the time of day)?

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45907 Potter Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:49:38 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45907 oops- I should have said "verifying his sources" though "varying" might also work. oops- I should have said “verifying his sources” though “varying” might also work.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45906 Potter Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:46:53 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45906 Nathaniel Landry- Check re: Eye-rack... but Hersh has some redeeming social value.......and influence. It's amazing the waves that he makes. I'd like to have a coin for how many times he is mentioned in the various media for this article. Much of what he has to tell is already out there too but he is putting a lot together, verying his sources, not afraid to draw conclusions. What is so (unfortunately) extraordinary about Hersh is that he practices good journalism. As well, if it is so as Gozilla says that "Seymour Hersh doesn’t say anything the Bush administration doesn’t want him to say," that is mitigated by his framing. I think he is allowinf for that. Hersh drops the info in a well written article- tells you his sources are varied and trusted and you can decide. Prep for war is prep for war-either the conditions are such that a small incident can set a fire or not, regardless of intentions. This is a high stakes game of upping the ante and to work, it has to be believable... both sides. Nathaniel Landry- Check re: Eye-rack… but Hersh has some redeeming social value…….and influence. It’s amazing the waves that he makes. I’d like to have a coin for how many times he is mentioned in the various media for this article. Much of what he has to tell is already out there too but he is putting a lot together, verying his sources, not afraid to draw conclusions. What is so (unfortunately) extraordinary about Hersh is that he practices good journalism. As well, if it is so as Gozilla says that “Seymour Hersh doesn’t say anything the Bush administration doesn’t want him to say,” that is mitigated by his framing. I think he is allowinf for that. Hersh drops the info in a well written article- tells you his sources are varied and trusted and you can decide.

Prep for war is prep for war-either the conditions are such that a small incident can set a fire or not, regardless of intentions. This is a high stakes game of upping the ante and to work, it has to be believable… both sides.

]]> By: katemcshane http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45887 katemcshane Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:06:36 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45887 So -- Was he right about the meeting with Iran? Tony Snow confirmed that the United States won't meet with Iran until they meet previous conditions. I don't like to vent rage and hatred, so I'm going to stop now. So — Was he right about the meeting with Iran? Tony Snow confirmed that the United States won’t meet with Iran until they meet previous conditions. I don’t like to vent rage and hatred, so I’m going to stop now.

]]> By: Nathaniel Landry http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45863 Nathaniel Landry Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:49:01 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45863 Still, great interview. Interesting to think of Hersh as someone who will (frustratingly) go just so far. Is he a whistle-blower or an extremely able and intelligent provocateur? Still, great interview. Interesting to think of Hersh as someone who will (frustratingly) go just so far. Is he a whistle-blower or an extremely able and intelligent provocateur?

]]> By: Nathaniel Landry http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45862 Nathaniel Landry Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:44:52 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45862 To me--and this is a pithy point--it is unconscionable that Sy Hersh pronounces 'Iraq' and 'Iran' identically to George W. Bush (i.e., the "Americanized", or wrong, way: "EYE-RACK", "EYE-RAN"). To me–and this is a pithy point–it is unconscionable that Sy Hersh pronounces ‘Iraq’ and ‘Iran’ identically to George W. Bush (i.e., the “Americanized”, or wrong, way: “EYE-RACK”, “EYE-RAN”).

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45852 Potter Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:32:33 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45852 How about picking "Presidential Power" out of "The Graveyard"? Susan Sontag was perhaps right even though I felt her timing was off. May she rest in peace. In response to 9/11 attack she wrote soon after in the New Yorker this for which she was criticized as unpatriotic : “Where is the acknowledgment that this was not a ‘cowardly’ attack on ‘civilization’ or ‘liberty’ or ‘humanity’ or ‘the free world,’ but an attack on the world's self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions?” The whole quote here (and jazz for your edification): http://www.american-pictures.com/english/jacob/Sontag.htm Thank you for Seymour Hersh! How about picking “Presidential Power” out of “The Graveyard”?

Susan Sontag was perhaps right even though I felt her timing was off. May she rest in peace. In response to 9/11 attack she wrote soon after in the New Yorker this for which she was criticized as unpatriotic :

“Where is the acknowledgment that this was not a ‘cowardly’ attack on ‘civilization’ or ‘liberty’ or ‘humanity’ or ‘the free world,’ but an attack on the world’s self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions?”

The whole quote here (and jazz for your edification):

http://www.american-pictures.com/english/jacob/Sontag.htm

Thank you for Seymour Hersh!

]]> By: jseeley http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45851 jseeley Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:24:50 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45851 Excuse me, but aren't we forgetting the Neocons are only interested in extending the reach of their empire, and that bomb or no Iranian bomb, all Cheney and his friends want is the most money for the oil beneath their soil? That's why the Saudis are Bush's buddies, it's all about the money, all about the oil. I agree that they just don't know what a can of worms they are opening up with all this meddling and "black ops" and "nucular" threats. Or perhaps they do know, and that's why they are after all the money: to build themselves the best fallout shelters money can buy. Excuse me, but aren’t we forgetting the Neocons are only interested in extending the reach of their empire, and that bomb or no Iranian bomb, all Cheney and his friends want is the most money for the oil beneath their soil? That’s why the Saudis are Bush’s buddies, it’s all about the money, all about the oil. I agree that they just don’t know what a can of worms they are opening up with all this meddling and “black ops” and “nucular” threats. Or perhaps they do know, and that’s why they are after all the money: to build themselves the best fallout shelters money can buy.

]]> By: Brian Dunbar http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45848 Brian Dunbar Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:00:26 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45848 If I could sit down and talk to Mr. Hersh I'd ask "Some of your sources are unique. The Mayor if Dinky Town tells fibs to you: you can find out from other sources. Prince Z of Thereariba fibs .... there aren't going to be many other sources to back him up. How do you verify some of the stuff you've been told?" This might betray a dangerous level of naiveness on my part of course. If I could sit down and talk to Mr. Hersh I’d ask

“Some of your sources are unique. The Mayor if Dinky Town tells fibs to you: you can find out from other sources. Prince Z of Thereariba fibs …. there aren’t going to be many other sources to back him up.

How do you verify some of the stuff you’ve been told?”

This might betray a dangerous level of naiveness on my part of course.

]]> By: OliverCranglesParrot http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45847 OliverCranglesParrot Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:58:02 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45847 Obviously, my mind jamming facilities are in disrepair regarding GodzillaVersusBambi @ 8:49pm. I've been using Mr. Hersh to call in coordinates. I'll have to put Oliver on it. Everyone knows Mr. Hersh is really the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_St_Germain" rel="nofollow">Count of Saint Germain</a> Obviously, my mind jamming facilities are in disrepair regarding GodzillaVersusBambi @ 8:49pm. I’ve been using Mr. Hersh to call in coordinates. I’ll have to put Oliver on it. Everyone knows Mr. Hersh is really the Count of Saint Germain

]]> By: Lumière http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45846 Lumière Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:53:35 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45846 We give them money But are they grateful? No they're spiteful And they're hateful. They don't respect us so let's surprise them; We give them money
But are they grateful?
No they’re spiteful
And they’re hateful.
They don’t respect us so let’s surprise them;

]]> By: GodzillaVsBambi http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45845 GodzillaVsBambi Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:49:41 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45845 Seymour Hersh doesn’t say anything the Bush administration doesn’t want him to say. He is a plant. A Mossad/CIA press liaison. His function is to leak information to the enemy in a timely fashion to the press like John Loftus and John Batchelor. There is a whole history to this, and most governments assign someone for this very purpose. I live in NY. And believe me when I tell you not to believe most of what you hear when it comes to the Middle East, and especially where Israel concerned. Don’t get me wrong, I am pro Israel. Just don’t believe what hear, that’s all. Hersh just said “Cheney believes Iran is going to get a bomb soon”. Need I say more? ...... Jazzman ... I’m gonna follow up on your post in Iran: Another War Dance over the weekend. I’m very busy right now. Seymour Hersh doesn’t say anything the Bush administration doesn’t want him to say. He is a plant. A Mossad/CIA press liaison. His function is to leak information to the enemy in a timely fashion to the press like John Loftus and John Batchelor. There is a whole history to this, and most governments assign someone for this very purpose. I live in NY. And believe me when I tell you not to believe most of what you hear when it comes to the Middle East, and especially where Israel concerned. Don’t get me wrong, I am pro Israel. Just don’t believe what hear, that’s all. Hersh just said “Cheney believes Iran is going to get a bomb soon”. Need I say more?
……
Jazzman … I’m gonna follow up on your post in Iran: Another War Dance over the weekend. I’m very busy right now.

]]> By: Bobo http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45844 Bobo Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:49:31 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45844 OliverCranglesParrot -- "Means justifying ends thinking must hope for blind aleatory fortunes, a totally disinterested electorate, a completely feckless checks-and-balance correction process." Unfortunately for all of us, these hopes have been fulfilled. I still remember the public outcry against Hersh last summer. Now he seems like a prophet. No, not a prophet, just a man who thinks, and who sees hubris for what it is. There are a very few left on the public stage. OliverCranglesParrot — “Means justifying ends thinking must hope for blind aleatory fortunes, a totally disinterested electorate, a completely feckless checks-and-balance correction process.”
Unfortunately for all of us, these hopes have been fulfilled. I still remember the public outcry against Hersh last summer. Now he seems like a prophet. No, not a prophet, just a man who thinks, and who sees hubris for what it is. There are a very few left on the public stage.

]]> By: OliverCranglesParrot http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45843 OliverCranglesParrot Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:47:29 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45843 or, ends justifying means...works either way in my world view :^) or, ends justifying means…works either way in my world view :^)

]]> By: OliverCranglesParrot http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45842 OliverCranglesParrot Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:41:23 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45842 Lessons from Iran Contra from my side of the desk: Politicians (across the spectrum) are untrustworthy; they continue to speak lies, untruths, or hide behind plausible deniability in 99.9999% of all verbal and non-verbal communications due to the means justifies the ends paradigm. Means justifying ends thinking must hope for blind aleatory fortunes, a totally disinterested electorate, a completely feckless checks-and-balance correction process. Hubris stubs toe on the veracity boulder, yet stumbles along unfazed. Lessons from Iran Contra from my side of the desk: Politicians (across the spectrum) are untrustworthy; they continue to speak lies, untruths, or hide behind plausible deniability in 99.9999% of all verbal and non-verbal communications due to the means justifies the ends paradigm. Means justifying ends thinking must hope for blind aleatory fortunes, a totally disinterested electorate, a completely feckless checks-and-balance correction process. Hubris stubs toe on the veracity boulder, yet stumbles along unfazed.

]]> By: "cy" http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45841 "cy" Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:29:31 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45841 Seymour Hersh is real good at "where is the beef?", what I have been wondering lately is where is the vision? Is there a grand vision in the middle east somewhere, all I can see is just more of the same action/reaction... Seymour Hersh is real good at “where is the beef?”, what I have been wondering lately is where is the vision? Is there a grand vision in the middle east somewhere, all I can see is just more of the same action/reaction…

]]> By: Lumière http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45839 Lumière Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:18:56 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45839 ...need to demilitarize …need to demilitarize

]]> By: katemcshane http://www.radioopensource.org/making-the-rounds-with-seymour-hersh/comment-page-1/#comment-45838 katemcshane Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:14:36 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=950#comment-45838 Thank you SO much for having Seymour Hersh on the show. This will be the second interview I've heard today with him. I need this. The mindf*cks of this administration and the media really mess with my sanity, and Seymour Hersh's honesty and intelligence help to reaffirm that I have a soul, and I am not alone. Thank you SO much for having Seymour Hersh on the show. This will be the second interview I’ve heard today with him. I need this. The mindf*cks of this administration and the media really mess with my sanity, and Seymour Hersh’s honesty and intelligence help to reaffirm that I have a soul, and I am not alone.

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