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		<title>By: danielet</title>
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		<description>How sad is the case of Fukuyama. But then again, I too was attracted to the neocons because of their determined TIRELESS struggle against Communism. It is only later that I learned that NEOCONSERVATISM is a Leninist illusion for sale. The first generation was Leninist, educated to the technique of POLARIZE TO MOBILIZE. This technique it used as Commies and as this small group went to work for the CIA as a poison pill on the Left. But it never did much more than build a mirror of illusions in which to trap us &quot;dumb goyim,&quot; as they would call us, who didn&#039;t realize that they are not an idea but a business. The neocon shift to the Right was-- as in the 60s-- a totally paper movement with phony offices and proloferation of paper organization-- as taught by Leninism-- to seem ever proliferating. In fact, they were a few and got into a lot of trouble when it was exposed that they are a CIA funds creature. Through all that time, not a word of Zionism...it was all anti-Communism, hence pro-Vietnam War. It is only after 1967 that they sought to turn the anti-Communists into pro-Zionists with all sorts of literature indicating that the Arabs had all along supported the NEw Left against Vietnam to use it now anti-Israel. At the Vietnam National Day in 1967, one of them told me that Vietnam was lost and time had come to fix on blocking the Soviets in the Middle East. Watching them closely, I saw over time how the second generation became influence peddlers for the strategic weapons industry. For this they were handsomely payed. But still, Israel was not their hottest issue. It was all TEAM B&#039;s assertion that we were falling behind the Soviets in strategic weapons. With the end of the Cold War, their cash cow became Right Wing Zionists who layed out millions for Likudnik Israeli expansion at a time when Israel had entered the post-Zionist phase. The Bush years were their high point, but he too saw through them because he was dependent on the Saudis for his post-Presidency subsistance. When they thought Hillary would be the Democratic candidate, early in the campaign, they tried to warm up to her. They slandered Obama as a Muslim, anti-American and anti-Semite....What else could they do? All they knew is what they had learned as Leninisits: POLARIZE TO MOBILIZE!



They are not back, they blew uot the air that gave the impression of giants to now crawl on the floor with the other roaches, looking for morcels. All they do is pretend that they speak for the Right and when challenged, that they speak for the Jewish Right. But they have always been nothing but Leninist &quot;activists&quot; for hire ever since Stalin kicked them out of the Communist movement because they were &quot;Jews.&quot; Their time is over and only a few keep seeking the lime light while the rest go and enjoy their ill gotten warmongering gains in what they so often called &quot;anti-Semite Eurabia&quot;-- apartments, villas and vacations spots.



The sadest case of all is Fukuyama who had served as one of their boys-- as I had-- only to discover that there&#039;s something weird about how their vitrioloc campaign for democracy extends only to the Middle East and in Maoisr fashion: politics from the barrel of a gun! When he raised the question, they did what they always do: CALLED HIM AN ANTI-SEMITE!



What killed the necons is a desperate drive to be recognized as &quot;mensch.&quot; Their greatest doubt was and is about their manhoob. Hence, these pear shapped war mongers remind of Nazi propagandists calling for OTHERS to die on the Eastern Front. I can&#039;t say that I regret the loss of such bright minds, because talking to them for years one discovers that clever deception, not intellectual brilliance, is their MO. Like a bad smell, they are gone and one can only wonder why money can get so few to destroy the lives of so many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sad is the case of Fukuyama. But then again, I too was attracted to the neocons because of their determined TIRELESS struggle against Communism. It is only later that I learned that NEOCONSERVATISM is a Leninist illusion for sale. The first generation was Leninist, educated to the technique of POLARIZE TO MOBILIZE. This technique it used as Commies and as this small group went to work for the CIA as a poison pill on the Left. But it never did much more than build a mirror of illusions in which to trap us &#8220;dumb goyim,&#8221; as they would call us, who didn&#8217;t realize that they are not an idea but a business. The neocon shift to the Right was&#8211; as in the 60s&#8211; a totally paper movement with phony offices and proloferation of paper organization&#8211; as taught by Leninism&#8211; to seem ever proliferating. In fact, they were a few and got into a lot of trouble when it was exposed that they are a CIA funds creature. Through all that time, not a word of Zionism&#8230;it was all anti-Communism, hence pro-Vietnam War. It is only after 1967 that they sought to turn the anti-Communists into pro-Zionists with all sorts of literature indicating that the Arabs had all along supported the NEw Left against Vietnam to use it now anti-Israel. At the Vietnam National Day in 1967, one of them told me that Vietnam was lost and time had come to fix on blocking the Soviets in the Middle East. Watching them closely, I saw over time how the second generation became influence peddlers for the strategic weapons industry. For this they were handsomely payed. But still, Israel was not their hottest issue. It was all TEAM B&#8217;s assertion that we were falling behind the Soviets in strategic weapons. With the end of the Cold War, their cash cow became Right Wing Zionists who layed out millions for Likudnik Israeli expansion at a time when Israel had entered the post-Zionist phase. The Bush years were their high point, but he too saw through them because he was dependent on the Saudis for his post-Presidency subsistance. When they thought Hillary would be the Democratic candidate, early in the campaign, they tried to warm up to her. They slandered Obama as a Muslim, anti-American and anti-Semite&#8230;.What else could they do? All they knew is what they had learned as Leninisits: POLARIZE TO MOBILIZE!</p>
<p>They are not back, they blew uot the air that gave the impression of giants to now crawl on the floor with the other roaches, looking for morcels. All they do is pretend that they speak for the Right and when challenged, that they speak for the Jewish Right. But they have always been nothing but Leninist &#8220;activists&#8221; for hire ever since Stalin kicked them out of the Communist movement because they were &#8220;Jews.&#8221; Their time is over and only a few keep seeking the lime light while the rest go and enjoy their ill gotten warmongering gains in what they so often called &#8220;anti-Semite Eurabia&#8221;&#8211; apartments, villas and vacations spots.</p>
<p>The sadest case of all is Fukuyama who had served as one of their boys&#8211; as I had&#8211; only to discover that there&#8217;s something weird about how their vitrioloc campaign for democracy extends only to the Middle East and in Maoisr fashion: politics from the barrel of a gun! When he raised the question, they did what they always do: CALLED HIM AN ANTI-SEMITE!</p>
<p>What killed the necons is a desperate drive to be recognized as &#8220;mensch.&#8221; Their greatest doubt was and is about their manhoob. Hence, these pear shapped war mongers remind of Nazi propagandists calling for OTHERS to die on the Eastern Front. I can&#8217;t say that I regret the loss of such bright minds, because talking to them for years one discovers that clever deception, not intellectual brilliance, is their MO. Like a bad smell, they are gone and one can only wonder why money can get so few to destroy the lives of so many.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weinstein</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Babu:  I&#039;ve also enjoyed your posts on the &quot;Genes&quot; thread.  I think Lerner&#039;s The Left Hand of God explains well how the Christian fundamenralists got their &#039;right hand of god&#039; interpretation out of the old testament versus a more central, essential &#039;left hand of god,&#039; if you will, approach that Lerner expounds  How the fundadmentalists can see domination, hierarchy, and war in the old and new testaments is a mystery to me.  Although I am no expert, I have been told that the basic message of the Koran is also compassion and peace.



Perhaps it has somethng to do with human evolution itself, the older reptilian brain (Bush) versus the higher functions of the brain and its connection to spirit and the soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babu:  I&#8217;ve also enjoyed your posts on the &#8220;Genes&#8221; thread.  I think Lerner&#8217;s The Left Hand of God explains well how the Christian fundamenralists got their &#8216;right hand of god&#8217; interpretation out of the old testament versus a more central, essential &#8216;left hand of god,&#8217; if you will, approach that Lerner expounds  How the fundadmentalists can see domination, hierarchy, and war in the old and new testaments is a mystery to me.  Although I am no expert, I have been told that the basic message of the Koran is also compassion and peace.</p>
<p>Perhaps it has somethng to do with human evolution itself, the older reptilian brain (Bush) versus the higher functions of the brain and its connection to spirit and the soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Neo No More&quot;  -- NY Times, March 26, 2006

Review by PAUL BERMAN of &#039;America at the Crossroads,&#039; by Francis Fukuyama



Captured at:  http://public.messageweb.net/blog/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/NyTimesBermanFukayama060325



&quot;... Fukuyama notes that during the 1990&#039;s the neoconservatives veered in militarist directions, which strikes him as a mistake. A less sympathetic observer might recall that neoconservative foreign policy thinking has all along indulged a romance of the ruthless â€” an expectation that small numbers of people might be able to play a decisive role in world events, if only their ferocity could be unleashed. It was a romance of the ruthless that led some of the early generation of neoconservatives in the 1970&#039;s to champion the grisliest of anti-Communist guerrillas in Angola; and, during the next decade, led the neoconservatives to champion some not very attractive anti-Communist guerrillas in Central America, too; and led the Reagan administration&#039;s neoconservatives into the swamps of the Iran-contra scandal in order to go on championing their guerrillas. Doesn&#039;t this same impulse shed a light on the baffling question of how the Bush administration of our own time could have managed to yoke together a stirring democratic oratory with a series of grotesque scandals involving American torture â€” this very weird and self-defeating combination of idealism and brass knuckles? But Fukuyama must not agree....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neo No More&#8221;  &#8212; NY Times, March 26, 2006</p>
<p>Review by PAUL BERMAN of &#8216;America at the Crossroads,&#8217; by Francis Fukuyama</p>
<p>Captured at:  <a  href="http://public.messageweb.net/blog/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/NyTimesBermanFukayama060325" rel="nofollow">http://public.messageweb.net/blog/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/NyTimesBermanFukayama060325</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; Fukuyama notes that during the 1990&#8242;s the neoconservatives veered in militarist directions, which strikes him as a mistake. A less sympathetic observer might recall that neoconservative foreign policy thinking has all along indulged a romance of the ruthless â€” an expectation that small numbers of people might be able to play a decisive role in world events, if only their ferocity could be unleashed. It was a romance of the ruthless that led some of the early generation of neoconservatives in the 1970&#8242;s to champion the grisliest of anti-Communist guerrillas in Angola; and, during the next decade, led the neoconservatives to champion some not very attractive anti-Communist guerrillas in Central America, too; and led the Reagan administration&#8217;s neoconservatives into the swamps of the Iran-contra scandal in order to go on championing their guerrillas. Doesn&#8217;t this same impulse shed a light on the baffling question of how the Bush administration of our own time could have managed to yoke together a stirring democratic oratory with a series of grotesque scandals involving American torture â€” this very weird and self-defeating combination of idealism and brass knuckles? But Fukuyama must not agree&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: babu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David W.: Thanks for your posts.



I used to subscribe to Tikkun and read Lerner, but not recently. I&#039;ll pick up &#039;Left Hand of God&#039;.  I also suggested earlier we read Bernard-Henri&#039;s &#039;American Vertigo&#039;.   Sounds like a ROS bookclub formation.



But I circled back from the &#039;Genes&#039; thread to re-vist your 5:41 post: &quot;But I think the neo-cons and the religious fundamentalists, the Christian right and the Islamists all miss out on the real meaning of the â€˜loveâ€™ vocabulary: that no lasting good ever comes out of dominating another person, society or nation. This is because such domiation is based on fear and illusion.&quot;



Don&#039;t you think it&#039;s more that fundamentalists, Christian right, etc, have actually CO-OPTED the love vocabulary.  To them it has another meaning to which they sincerely adhere.  Curiously, to us it&#039;s the opposite of what it used to mean, or rather, we adjudge from their actions that when they use those words they mean the opposite of what, say the flower children meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David W.: Thanks for your posts.</p>
<p>I used to subscribe to Tikkun and read Lerner, but not recently. I&#8217;ll pick up &#8216;Left Hand of God&#8217;.  I also suggested earlier we read Bernard-Henri&#8217;s &#8216;American Vertigo&#8217;.   Sounds like a ROS bookclub formation.</p>
<p>But I circled back from the &#8216;Genes&#8217; thread to re-vist your 5:41 post: &#8220;But I think the neo-cons and the religious fundamentalists, the Christian right and the Islamists all miss out on the real meaning of the â€˜loveâ€™ vocabulary: that no lasting good ever comes out of dominating another person, society or nation. This is because such domiation is based on fear and illusion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s more that fundamentalists, Christian right, etc, have actually CO-OPTED the love vocabulary.  To them it has another meaning to which they sincerely adhere.  Curiously, to us it&#8217;s the opposite of what it used to mean, or rather, we adjudge from their actions that when they use those words they mean the opposite of what, say the flower children meant.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weinstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Weinstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Babu:  We do need to get there by voting.  But we need serious election reform first before the vote refelcts the will of the people again.



As for the yeast, part of it it the resurgence of the good &#039;ol American character that has seemd to been lost in these years of being lost in the Bush/bin Laden fear zone, American narcissism and the loss of &#039;civic virute.&#039;



In terms of American character, I am thinking, partly in homage to our host, Chris, of Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau.  Not only are these gents an answer to the shallowness and hypocrisy of the religious right, they speak in an unique American way about the nature of the spirit, society and reform.  Remmeber it was Thoreau who advocated peaceful civil disobedience (I think originally against the colonial war with Mexico).  Apparaantly Ghandi was inspired by Thoreau aand took a few pages form his book.  And King was inspired by Ghandi.



A true moral core runs through Emerson, Thoreau, Melville, Clemens into the twentieth century.  It is in fact the neo-cons and the Bush crime family who are the moral abberations.  The yeast is right here.  We just have to rediscover it, methinks.



As for right now, I would draw y&#039;all attention to two fine recent books:  One, The Left Hand of God, by rabbi Michael Lerner who draws a detailed picture of how a society would look based on the  deeper Judeao-Christian streams of caring, cooperation and celebrating creation verus the ethos of competition, domination and punishment.  The other book is the most recent offering by Eckart Tolle, the author of (how do you underscore in this website?) The Power of Now.  His thesis is that fear, violence and war and much of the current malaise ids casued by the illusion of having seperate egos, instead of becoming aware of the love and interconnectedness that is the essence of spirit and being.



Tolle does not get into the politica asl Lerner, but, at heart, they are both sayng the same thing, one from a prophetic, Judeo-Christian perspective, the other from a basically Buddhist, enlightenment one.



I think both of these spirtual thinkers would be great for a ROS show, either together or separately... I will suggest it.



So&#039;s there&#039;s the yeast.  May we reawaken to our true spirits, nature and possibilities for goodness, and the possibilities of this blessed great experiment that is the U.S of A and life on earth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babu:  We do need to get there by voting.  But we need serious election reform first before the vote refelcts the will of the people again.</p>
<p>As for the yeast, part of it it the resurgence of the good &#8216;ol American character that has seemd to been lost in these years of being lost in the Bush/bin Laden fear zone, American narcissism and the loss of &#8216;civic virute.&#8217;</p>
<p>In terms of American character, I am thinking, partly in homage to our host, Chris, of Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau.  Not only are these gents an answer to the shallowness and hypocrisy of the religious right, they speak in an unique American way about the nature of the spirit, society and reform.  Remmeber it was Thoreau who advocated peaceful civil disobedience (I think originally against the colonial war with Mexico).  Apparaantly Ghandi was inspired by Thoreau aand took a few pages form his book.  And King was inspired by Ghandi.</p>
<p>A true moral core runs through Emerson, Thoreau, Melville, Clemens into the twentieth century.  It is in fact the neo-cons and the Bush crime family who are the moral abberations.  The yeast is right here.  We just have to rediscover it, methinks.</p>
<p>As for right now, I would draw y&#8217;all attention to two fine recent books:  One, The Left Hand of God, by rabbi Michael Lerner who draws a detailed picture of how a society would look based on the  deeper Judeao-Christian streams of caring, cooperation and celebrating creation verus the ethos of competition, domination and punishment.  The other book is the most recent offering by Eckart Tolle, the author of (how do you underscore in this website?) The Power of Now.  His thesis is that fear, violence and war and much of the current malaise ids casued by the illusion of having seperate egos, instead of becoming aware of the love and interconnectedness that is the essence of spirit and being.</p>
<p>Tolle does not get into the politica asl Lerner, but, at heart, they are both sayng the same thing, one from a prophetic, Judeo-Christian perspective, the other from a basically Buddhist, enlightenment one.</p>
<p>I think both of these spirtual thinkers would be great for a ROS show, either together or separately&#8230; I will suggest it.</p>
<p>So&#8217;s there&#8217;s the yeast.  May we reawaken to our true spirits, nature and possibilities for goodness, and the possibilities of this blessed great experiment that is the U.S of A and life on earth!</p>
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		<title>By: babu</title>
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		<dc:creator>babu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nikos, I obviously posted the above two in the wrong place. Go back to Holy Trinity. Sorry.  (I&#039;ve been waiting to see what you&#039;d say.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nikos, I obviously posted the above two in the wrong place. Go back to Holy Trinity. Sorry.  (I&#8217;ve been waiting to see what you&#8217;d say.)</p>
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