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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; What Schools Are Good to Study about Zoology</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-67577</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; What Schools Are Good to Study about Zoology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more Although the general conclusion of the College that Specialize in Zoology seminar was tha [...]</description>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Tet Zoo picture of the day # 3 [Tetrapod Zoology]</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Tet Zoo picture of the day # 3 [Tetrapod Zoology]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more  			 	 			Posted in zoology &#124;   		  	        		 		 	    [...]</description>
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<p> 			Posted in zoology |  </p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; New Zoology</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; New Zoology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]     				 					 		 			New Zoology 			  			 				   &#8230;more This long-awaited revision promises to maintain the best features of the &#8220;classic&amp;# [...]</description>
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<p> 			New Zoology</p>
<p> 				   &#8230;more This long-awaited revision promises to maintain the best features of the &#8220;classic&amp;# [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; New Zoology</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-60447</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; New Zoology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]     				 					 		 			New Zoology 			  			 				   &#8230;more Author: CoffeaRobusta Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:31 am (GMT 0) Topic Replies: 7 I know th [...]</description>
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<p> 			New Zoology</p>
<p> 				   &#8230;more Author: CoffeaRobusta Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:31 am (GMT 0) Topic Replies: 7 I know th [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; New Zoology</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-60096</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; New Zoology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]     				 					 		 			New Zoology 			  			 				   &#8230;more Author: adder_noir Subject: Heart rate and emitted sound frequency of carp&#8217;s hearbe [...]</description>
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<p> 			New Zoology</p>
<p> 				   &#8230;more Author: adder_noir Subject: Heart rate and emitted sound frequency of carp&#8217;s hearbe [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; zoology</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-60030</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; zoology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more By now you&#8217;ve probably heard the news: chimpanzees have been reported manufacturing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more By now you&#8217;ve probably heard the news: chimpanzees have been reported manufacturing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; by: zoology    Blog Archive    Zoology Discussion :: RE: growing &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-59263</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; by: zoology    Blog Archive    Zoology Discussion :: RE: growing &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 07:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] he aetosaurs, a strange and fascinating group of armo [   ] &#8230;more Author: dr. dugmore Subject: Ectotherms and whatnot&#8217;s Posted: Tue May [...]</description>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Tet Zoo picture of the day # 6 [Tetrapod Zoology]</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-59184</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Tet Zoo picture of the day # 6 [Tetrapod Zoology]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again: we keep coming back to the subject [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again: we keep coming back to the subject [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Zoology Discussion :: RE: growing berds in jars</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Zoology Discussion :: RE: growing berds in jars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 19:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more In the previous post we introduced the aetosaurs, a strange and fascinating group of armo [...]</description>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; zoology</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-58866</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; zoology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 15:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more Author: orbit Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:25 pm (GMT 0) Topic Replies: 2. kotoreru wrote: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more Author: orbit Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:25 pm (GMT 0) Topic Replies: 2. kotoreru wrote: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Zoology Discussion :: RE: Ducks!</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-58848</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Zoology Discussion :: RE: Ducks!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 04:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. The st [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. The st [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; News: Zoology: Spider blood floresces</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-58784</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; News: Zoology: Spider blood floresces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 01:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more Author: i_r_e_d Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:44 pm (GMT 0) Topic Replies: 174 to orbit: I t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more Author: i_r_e_d Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:44 pm (GMT 0) Topic Replies: 174 to orbit: I t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: orlox</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-58349</link>
		<dc:creator>orlox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 18:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jazzman - I took a swipe at Chalmers in the Hitchens thread. 

http://www.radioopensource.org/hitchens-v-god/#comment-58231</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jazzman &#8211; I took a swipe at Chalmers in the Hitchens thread. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.radioopensource.org/hitchens-v-god/#comment-58231" rel="nofollow">http://www.radioopensource.org/hitchens-v-god/#comment-58231</a></p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Zoology Discussion :: beeetle mania : classification</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-58182</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Zoology Discussion :: beeetle mania : classification</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 09:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more  			 	 			Posted in zoology &#124;   		  	        		 		 	    [...]</description>
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<p> 			Posted in zoology |  </p>
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		<title>By: zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; The Raffles Bulletin of Zoology, Vol. 55, No. 1 (28 Feb 2007)</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-58101</link>
		<dc:creator>zoology  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; The Raffles Bulletin of Zoology, Vol. 55, No. 1 (28 Feb 2007)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 23:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more                 A symbolic moment!            Author: zanyzaz      Keywords:  zoocrew uni [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] er from PTSD. Squids, finches, and even fruit-flies &#8230; &#8230;more                 A symbolic moment!            Author: zanyzaz      Keywords:  zoocrew uni [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jazzman</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-57684</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K</description>
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		<title>By: orlox</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-57605</link>
		<dc:creator>orlox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazzman - just to let you know I haven&#039;t forgotten about this. Chalmers is a pretty big fish to fry and I have a deadline looming on another project. Soon though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazzman &#8211; just to let you know I haven&#8217;t forgotten about this. Chalmers is a pretty big fish to fry and I have a deadline looming on another project. Soon though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55739</link>
		<dc:creator>rc21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 00:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished B. Heinrichs book &quot;A Year in the Maine Woods&quot; Great reading and some very interesting stuff on the study of ravens and other wild life found in the wilds of Maine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished B. Heinrichs book &#8220;A Year in the Maine Woods&#8221; Great reading and some very interesting stuff on the study of ravens and other wild life found in the wilds of Maine.</p>
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		<title>By: orlox</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55457</link>
		<dc:creator>orlox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 02:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physicists, or at least quantum physicists, have come to accept the wave (dual)nature of reality even though I have never heard one claim to have the same deep, intuitive understanding that substance metaphysics offers for the macroscopic world. 

String theory is a dualistic reconceptualization of the zero-dimensional point particle of the Standard Model seeing instead (here comes the dualism:) a vibrating string. Complexity emerges from simplicity. I am all for the effort, and I think the effort is important, string theory was critical in the development of my own thinking. However, Brian Greene and I have entirely different definitions of the word &#039;elegant&#039;. Abandoning substance is more purely elegant and exciting than any other concept I have encountered, unfortunately that does not necessitate its veracity.

And I wouldn&#039;t bury duality just yet. Although the explanatory tide has favored waves over particles for the past century or so, we still have the photoelectric effect to explain.

Even if duality is maintained, we still need a kick in our metaphysical butts to better account for process.

Jazzman - I am reviewing Chalmers now and will get you a post in the next day or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physicists, or at least quantum physicists, have come to accept the wave (dual)nature of reality even though I have never heard one claim to have the same deep, intuitive understanding that substance metaphysics offers for the macroscopic world. </p>
<p>String theory is a dualistic reconceptualization of the zero-dimensional point particle of the Standard Model seeing instead (here comes the dualism:) a vibrating string. Complexity emerges from simplicity. I am all for the effort, and I think the effort is important, string theory was critical in the development of my own thinking. However, Brian Greene and I have entirely different definitions of the word &#8216;elegant&#8217;. Abandoning substance is more purely elegant and exciting than any other concept I have encountered, unfortunately that does not necessitate its veracity.</p>
<p>And I wouldn&#8217;t bury duality just yet. Although the explanatory tide has favored waves over particles for the past century or so, we still have the photoelectric effect to explain.</p>
<p>Even if duality is maintained, we still need a kick in our metaphysical butts to better account for process.</p>
<p>Jazzman &#8211; I am reviewing Chalmers now and will get you a post in the next day or two.</p>
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		<title>By: rahbuhbuh</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55434</link>
		<dc:creator>rahbuhbuh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 23:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the science of tail wagging, according to the New York Times:
propensity towards the right = positive
propensity towards the left = negative

&quot;A study describing the phenomenon, â€œAsymmetric tail-wagging responses by dogs to different emotive stimuli,â€ appeared in the March 20 issue of Current Biology. The authors are Giorgio Vallortigara, a neuroscientist at the University of Trieste in Italy, and two veterinarians, Angelo Quaranta and Marcello Siniscalchi, at the University of Bari, also in Italy.&quot;

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/24/science/24wag.html?em&amp;ex=1178164800&amp;en=1a266dad9cfcb5d3&amp;ei=5087%0A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the science of tail wagging, according to the New York Times:<br />
propensity towards the right = positive<br />
propensity towards the left = negative</p>
<p>&#8220;A study describing the phenomenon, â€œAsymmetric tail-wagging responses by dogs to different emotive stimuli,â€ appeared in the March 20 issue of Current Biology. The authors are Giorgio Vallortigara, a neuroscientist at the University of Trieste in Italy, and two veterinarians, Angelo Quaranta and Marcello Siniscalchi, at the University of Bari, also in Italy.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/24/science/24wag.html?em&amp;ex=1178164800&amp;en=1a266dad9cfcb5d3&amp;ei=5087" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/24/science/24wag.html?em&amp;ex=1178164800&amp;en=1a266dad9cfcb5d3&amp;ei=5087</a></p>
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		<title>By: mynocturama</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55413</link>
		<dc:creator>mynocturama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 21:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>orlox - I&#039;m liking your comments too.  Quick question: what would you make of the speculations of string theory?  Are physicists here simply reiterating a substance-based metaphysics?  

And I just want to say that I enjoyed the show a lot.  I think even a third show along these lines, maybe one dealing explicitly with the human/nonhuman boundary/relation, may be in order.  I know you inevitably talk about this in talking about anthropomorphism, zoology, ethology and the like.  But there&#039;s a third show I think waiting in the wings, to come on stage, one addressing more fully how the human is reconceived in relation to what we learn about other animals, and maybe dealing with what the philosophical tradition has to say, misguided or otherwise, on the distinctiveness of human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>orlox &#8211; I&#8217;m liking your comments too.  Quick question: what would you make of the speculations of string theory?  Are physicists here simply reiterating a substance-based metaphysics?  </p>
<p>And I just want to say that I enjoyed the show a lot.  I think even a third show along these lines, maybe one dealing explicitly with the human/nonhuman boundary/relation, may be in order.  I know you inevitably talk about this in talking about anthropomorphism, zoology, ethology and the like.  But there&#8217;s a third show I think waiting in the wings, to come on stage, one addressing more fully how the human is reconceived in relation to what we learn about other animals, and maybe dealing with what the philosophical tradition has to say, misguided or otherwise, on the distinctiveness of human being.</p>
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		<title>By: jazzman</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55360</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 18:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry the Chalmers link is http://consc.net/chalmers/ That was the first time I tried to imbed a link and I&#039;ll have to practice further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry the Chalmers link is <a href="http://consc.net/chalmers/" rel="nofollow">http://consc.net/chalmers/</a> That was the first time I tried to imbed a link and I&#8217;ll have to practice further.</p>
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		<title>By: jazzman</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55359</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 18:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;orlox&lt;/b&gt; Says: &lt;i&gt;Consciousness is soluble, in anesthetic or even water, yet the electrons remain. Whatever consciousness is, it is most certainly NOT irreducible and thus not fundamental in any but the most poetic sense.&lt;/i&gt; 

When I use the term Consciousness, Iâ€™m not referring to the mundane â€œwaking consciousnessâ€ that is used as a synonym for being &lt;i&gt;conscious&lt;/i&gt; i.e., alert as opposed to unconscious (which is quite aware under anesthesia or sleep â€“ dreaming and busy running the autonomous bodily tasks.) I refer to the irreducible fundamental basis of ALL matter and energy which form gestalts (in aggregate) from electrons to elephants to orlox. 

You may believe that consciousness is reducible but as you admit to not having a clue (certainty or poetry notwithstanding) as to its nature, the belief is unfounded. If you are interested in the subject, I refer you to the website of David Chalmers one of the preeminent researchers in the field of consciousness: &lt;a href=&quot;â€œhttp://consc.net/chalmers/â€&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; D Chalmers&lt;/a&gt; who believes that consciousness &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a fundamental property of all things physical.  
   
&lt;i&gt;Time was not an illusion to Einstein so much as it was unified with space and thus spacetime.&lt;/i&gt; â€œThe distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusionâ€. - Albert Einstein

&lt;i&gt;So that NOW actually becomes relativistic. The sun you see in your NOW was the sun as it was 8 minutes ago. Any notion simultaneity is limited by the speed of light and the inability to give any one frame of reference superiority over another.&lt;/i&gt;

The NOW in which I see the sun is my (gestalt and mundane) consciousnessâ€™  now, the sunâ€™s consciousnessâ€™ now in simultaneous terms, due to the illusion of time, may be thought of as 8 minutes in my &quot;future&quot; but its now and my now are always the same instantaneous (dimensionless) now. From the sunâ€™s photonsâ€™ perspective, they are emitted and absorbed in zero time. Light therefore does not experience local time, all matter and energy (with the exception of Gravity which I maintain is a function of consciousnessâ€™ gregariousness) has been unified and composed of light (electromagnetic energy - which means electrons are composed of light so they &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; reducible not only to photons but Gell-Mann&#039;s quarks) which is composed of consciousness which I submit isnâ€™t reducible. ALL frames of reference are local to observers and relative to other observers whose frame is local to them. Consciousness is not bound by the speed of light, relative nor confined to particular frames of reference. The reason we experience the dimensionless series of NOWâ€™s as â€œtimeâ€ is a function of synapse gaps lapse, our neurons transmit in one now and are received in another thereby creating the illusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>orlox</b> Says: <i>Consciousness is soluble, in anesthetic or even water, yet the electrons remain. Whatever consciousness is, it is most certainly NOT irreducible and thus not fundamental in any but the most poetic sense.</i> </p>
<p>When I use the term Consciousness, Iâ€™m not referring to the mundane â€œwaking consciousnessâ€ that is used as a synonym for being <i>conscious</i> i.e., alert as opposed to unconscious (which is quite aware under anesthesia or sleep â€“ dreaming and busy running the autonomous bodily tasks.) I refer to the irreducible fundamental basis of ALL matter and energy which form gestalts (in aggregate) from electrons to elephants to orlox. </p>
<p>You may believe that consciousness is reducible but as you admit to not having a clue (certainty or poetry notwithstanding) as to its nature, the belief is unfounded. If you are interested in the subject, I refer you to the website of David Chalmers one of the preeminent researchers in the field of consciousness: <a href="â€œhttp://consc.net/chalmers/â€" rel="nofollow"> D Chalmers</a> who believes that consciousness <i>is</i> a fundamental property of all things physical.  </p>
<p><i>Time was not an illusion to Einstein so much as it was unified with space and thus spacetime.</i> â€œThe distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusionâ€. &#8211; Albert Einstein</p>
<p><i>So that NOW actually becomes relativistic. The sun you see in your NOW was the sun as it was 8 minutes ago. Any notion simultaneity is limited by the speed of light and the inability to give any one frame of reference superiority over another.</i></p>
<p>The NOW in which I see the sun is my (gestalt and mundane) consciousnessâ€™  now, the sunâ€™s consciousnessâ€™ now in simultaneous terms, due to the illusion of time, may be thought of as 8 minutes in my &#8220;future&#8221; but its now and my now are always the same instantaneous (dimensionless) now. From the sunâ€™s photonsâ€™ perspective, they are emitted and absorbed in zero time. Light therefore does not experience local time, all matter and energy (with the exception of Gravity which I maintain is a function of consciousnessâ€™ gregariousness) has been unified and composed of light (electromagnetic energy &#8211; which means electrons are composed of light so they <i>are</i> reducible not only to photons but Gell-Mann&#8217;s quarks) which is composed of consciousness which I submit isnâ€™t reducible. ALL frames of reference are local to observers and relative to other observers whose frame is local to them. Consciousness is not bound by the speed of light, relative nor confined to particular frames of reference. The reason we experience the dimensionless series of NOWâ€™s as â€œtimeâ€ is a function of synapse gaps lapse, our neurons transmit in one now and are received in another thereby creating the illusion.</p>
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		<title>By: orlox</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have found a way to say what I wanted to say even without Whitehead. However, he did provide an excellent foil. If my intent was just to critique him, I probably would have used another source beside those notes you pointed to.

In truth, I had told Robin in an e-mail exchange that my primary concern was the theory of everything so I thought it might be wise to give her some indication that I wasn&#039;t a complete loon. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have found a way to say what I wanted to say even without Whitehead. However, he did provide an excellent foil. If my intent was just to critique him, I probably would have used another source beside those notes you pointed to.</p>
<p>In truth, I had told Robin in an e-mail exchange that my primary concern was the theory of everything so I thought it might be wise to give her some indication that I wasn&#8217;t a complete loon. <img src='http://www.radioopensource.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bft</title>
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		<dc:creator>bft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>orlox: I don&#039;t vouch for Whitehead all the way to the bottom; but I though it was interesting in the present context how he analyzed the being of an animal. I still read Kant too, in spite of what physics has done to him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>orlox: I don&#8217;t vouch for Whitehead all the way to the bottom; but I though it was interesting in the present context how he analyzed the being of an animal. I still read Kant too, in spite of what physics has done to him!</p>
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		<title>By: colin</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55310</link>
		<dc:creator>colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 11:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir David Attenborough has never failed to get it right.  He&#039;s the fellow who deserves the credit (vocally, at least) for the crow video posted above, but his work stretches across many hours of beautifully edited and produced BBC tape. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.devilducky.com/media/56179/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leaping Mandarins&lt;/a&gt; win for cuteness, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.devilducky.com/media/46386/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Lyrebird&lt;/a&gt; for sheer confused wonder.  But who could have imagined the beauty and tenderness of invertebrate... love? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/50897/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slugs Mating&lt;/a&gt;, if you can get past the title, (and everyone must see this)  makes me wonder whether, in our own &#039;peak&#039; of evolution, we&#039;ve lost an original, pure tenderness brought by instinct and precarious necessity.  Borges writes, &quot;He thought... while he stroked the cat&#039;s fur, that this contact was illusory, that he and the cat were seperated as though by a pane of glass, because man lives in time, in successiveness, while the magical animal lives in the present, in the eternity of the instant.&quot; (The South).  At almost lowest level of understanding, the leopard slug, there&#039;s something divine in that awareless form of beauty, making a moment of genetic intersection totally sublime.

Maybe it&#039;s just the music.  Animals win, as far as Attenborough is concerned.  Any chance to grab him as a call in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir David Attenborough has never failed to get it right.  He&#8217;s the fellow who deserves the credit (vocally, at least) for the crow video posted above, but his work stretches across many hours of beautifully edited and produced BBC tape. <a href="http://www.devilducky.com/media/56179/" rel="nofollow">Leaping Mandarins</a> win for cuteness, and <a href="http://www.devilducky.com/media/46386/" rel="nofollow">The Lyrebird</a> for sheer confused wonder.  But who could have imagined the beauty and tenderness of invertebrate&#8230; love? <a href="http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/50897/" rel="nofollow">Slugs Mating</a>, if you can get past the title, (and everyone must see this)  makes me wonder whether, in our own &#8216;peak&#8217; of evolution, we&#8217;ve lost an original, pure tenderness brought by instinct and precarious necessity.  Borges writes, &#8220;He thought&#8230; while he stroked the cat&#8217;s fur, that this contact was illusory, that he and the cat were seperated as though by a pane of glass, because man lives in time, in successiveness, while the magical animal lives in the present, in the eternity of the instant.&#8221; (The South).  At almost lowest level of understanding, the leopard slug, there&#8217;s something divine in that awareless form of beauty, making a moment of genetic intersection totally sublime.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just the music.  Animals win, as far as Attenborough is concerned.  Any chance to grab him as a call in?</p>
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		<title>By: jscientist</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55261</link>
		<dc:creator>jscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obviously animals or at least most animals have feelings like happiness, guilt, grief. my dogs eat something they look guilty. i think the discussion is immature because this is an all ready established fact. because we can see every day this happening. on another note your guest tonight said you can&#039;t just put a mouse in a cage and come up with results. well maybe you can&#039;t but it doesn&#039;t take that long to come up with a hyprothesis like that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously animals or at least most animals have feelings like happiness, guilt, grief. my dogs eat something they look guilty. i think the discussion is immature because this is an all ready established fact. because we can see every day this happening. on another note your guest tonight said you can&#8217;t just put a mouse in a cage and come up with results. well maybe you can&#8217;t but it doesn&#8217;t take that long to come up with a hyprothesis like that</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hilbiber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Hilbiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way, some dogs do like beer.  I gave a bowlful of guiness to my first girlfriend&#039;s dog in 1975.  An aquired taste, no doubt; her weiner dog lapped it up, then looked stupid trying to jump up on the couch.  That had to hurt.

Dogs have a distinctly lower tolerance for alcohol than even the cheapest date amongst us hairless apes.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, some dogs do like beer.  I gave a bowlful of guiness to my first girlfriend&#8217;s dog in 1975.  An aquired taste, no doubt; her weiner dog lapped it up, then looked stupid trying to jump up on the couch.  That had to hurt.</p>
<p>Dogs have a distinctly lower tolerance for alcohol than even the cheapest date amongst us hairless apes&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hilbiber</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55259</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Hilbiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your japanese crow video is cool.  See also my caledonian crow video link via www.softscience.us website, via birds link.  I am experimenting with crows at work and at home.  At work we have 3 generations of experience, at home only 2 having finally confronted my younger cat wanting to catch her 3rd crow a year ago [I have a video of her second crow captured being freed if you like; its called catch and release] as I am interested in studying how a species who master the art of teaching aquired predjudice [not anthro anything, just like humans, ok?] and seeing if input from a cognizant watcher/participant can influence anything is all.  I feed crows at work the catfood my girls don&#039;t finish.  At home, more like bread, and I help them fend off seagulls in the latter context.

They know me at work, and follow me between work and lunch everyday as well as greeting me as I deplane my bus to work on a daily basis.

Crows rule.  I hope to influence them locally, as opposed to the influence GWB holds on our sleeping nation....

This is what science is for.  To challenge the church and authority with repilcable experiments, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your japanese crow video is cool.  See also my caledonian crow video link via <a href="http://www.softscience.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.softscience.us</a> website, via birds link.  I am experimenting with crows at work and at home.  At work we have 3 generations of experience, at home only 2 having finally confronted my younger cat wanting to catch her 3rd crow a year ago [I have a video of her second crow captured being freed if you like; its called catch and release] as I am interested in studying how a species who master the art of teaching aquired predjudice [not anthro anything, just like humans, ok?] and seeing if input from a cognizant watcher/participant can influence anything is all.  I feed crows at work the catfood my girls don&#8217;t finish.  At home, more like bread, and I help them fend off seagulls in the latter context.</p>
<p>They know me at work, and follow me between work and lunch everyday as well as greeting me as I deplane my bus to work on a daily basis.</p>
<p>Crows rule.  I hope to influence them locally, as opposed to the influence GWB holds on our sleeping nation&#8230;.</p>
<p>This is what science is for.  To challenge the church and authority with repilcable experiments, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: peoplestank</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/comment-page-2/#comment-55238</link>
		<dc:creator>peoplestank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 02:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, my cat jumps on my chest and starts purring and head butting while I&#039;m listing to this program.  How could she not be considered to have emotions, at least at the level of affection and nurturing, &quot;love&quot; in a sense?

http://www.messybeast.com/emoticat.html

I found a great article on cat emotions that mirrors a lot of the discussion up to this point, i.e., that they have emotions but must be interpreted from the point of view of the animal and in that sense may be different.  That doesn&#039;t mean I can&#039;t appreciate and cherish my cat&#039;s emotions :)

I am also wondering about cultural biases?  We all know that people are willing to dismiss science to defend their cultural values. and a lot of cultural/traditional cultures insist on a bright line between humans and animals and resist anything that suggests humans are closer to other animals...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, my cat jumps on my chest and starts purring and head butting while I&#8217;m listing to this program.  How could she not be considered to have emotions, at least at the level of affection and nurturing, &#8220;love&#8221; in a sense?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.messybeast.com/emoticat.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.messybeast.com/emoticat.html</a></p>
<p>I found a great article on cat emotions that mirrors a lot of the discussion up to this point, i.e., that they have emotions but must be interpreted from the point of view of the animal and in that sense may be different.  That doesn&#8217;t mean I can&#8217;t appreciate and cherish my cat&#8217;s emotions <img src='http://www.radioopensource.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am also wondering about cultural biases?  We all know that people are willing to dismiss science to defend their cultural values. and a lot of cultural/traditional cultures insist on a bright line between humans and animals and resist anything that suggests humans are closer to other animals&#8230;</p>
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