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	<title>Comments on: On Emerson&#039;s &quot;Self-Reliance&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: McFawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>McFawn</dc:creator>
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		<description>Anyone up for a Hawthorne discussion?  Hyatt Waggoner described Emerson and Hawthorne as being the the two harbringers of the American Philosophy--both pulling in opposite directions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone up for a Hawthorne discussion?  Hyatt Waggoner described Emerson and Hawthorne as being the the two harbringers of the American Philosophy&#8211;both pulling in opposite directions.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think redding raises some interesting challenges. I have not read Buell, but Richardson helped me understand that the words &lt;i&gt; self reliance&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;association&lt;/i&gt; are &quot;equally charged.&quot; Transcendentalism requires a &lt;i&gt;simultaneous&lt;/i&gt; imperative for 1) the well being of the individual as the purpose of any social organization, and 2) recognition that autonomous individuals cannot exist aprart from others.



Thus, the individual is paramount. But the individual has no value in isolation. This sounds very much like quantum physics to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think redding raises some interesting challenges. I have not read Buell, but Richardson helped me understand that the words <i> self reliance</i> and <i>association</i> are &#8220;equally charged.&#8221; Transcendentalism requires a <i>simultaneous</i> imperative for 1) the well being of the individual as the purpose of any social organization, and 2) recognition that autonomous individuals cannot exist aprart from others.</p>
<p>Thus, the individual is paramount. But the individual has no value in isolation. This sounds very much like quantum physics to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Redding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analysis by Lawrence Buell that mynocturama recommends does tease out the very paradox that, I think, motivates Emerson&#039;s proposals.  Buell puts it this way:  &quot;Emersonian Self-Reliance is easy to sum up but tricky to pin down.  It seems to be founded on a self-contradiction:  we are entitled to trust our deepest convictions of what is true and right insofar as every person[&#039;s inmost identity is a transpersonal universal&quot;  (Buell 59).



Buell&#039;s treatment of the essays on Napoleon and Margaret Fuller as amplifications and amendments to the earlier &quot;Self-Reliance&quot; essay are useful reminders that by the 1850s the reformist optimism of America&#039;s 1830s and 1840s had begun to darken.   Buell makes the nice observation  that the  &quot;Napoleon&quot; essay appears in 1850, two years after the revolutions of 1848 that had a sobering impact on a United States lurching toward sectarian war.



Buell&#039;s analysis, however, does emphasize lineaments for a &quot;larger public self&quot; featured in mynocturama&#039;s description:



mynocturama:  &lt;I&gt;And, yes, this does open up ambiguities as to what we are the organ of when we are being self-reliant - we may very well feel self-reliant, spontaneous and energetic, in the service of some ulterior ideology, unbeknowst to ourselves. And ambiguities concerning the â€œselfâ€ abound in Emerson. For instance, Emerson seems to imply that in the deepest seat of the â€œprivateâ€ self lies access to a larger, â€œpublicâ€ self, more authentically â€œpublicâ€ than what we normally think of as â€œpublicâ€ (reputation, status, etcâ€¦). So it can get tricky and slippery.&lt;/I&gt;



Buell:  &quot;Other questions remain. Preeminently:  How can we know when we are being self-reliant rather than merely headstrong?&quot;  (Buell 69).



I would be interested in the evidence for any limitations that Emerson postulate for that  &quot;larger public self&quot; (that would be analogous to the &quot;higher laws&quot; for which Thoreau agues in &lt;I&gt;Walden&lt;/I&gt;.



But just to finish the point, I would say that the ambiguities that mynocturama sees opening up can become so overwhelming that they render any search for self-reliance into a self-consuming pursuit of  a vague will-o-the-wisp with which Hawthorne and Melville are preoccupied.



mynocturama calls these problems of ambiguity and uncertainty  &quot;tricky and slippery.&quot;  I wonder if he would accept &quot;naive&quot; and &quot;dangerous&quot; as additional appropriate adjectives?  To focus on the &quot;natural self&quot; as a universal ethical touchstone at the beginning of the 21st Century -- after a entire century of nightmare killer regimes using &quot;natural reason&quot; or &quot;natural humanity&quot;  as ethical rationales -- raises, I would think, more problems than it resolves.    Emerson would agree with Zeke&#039;s statement, &quot;at oneâ€™s most self reliant, one is least selfish,&quot; but Lawrence Buell, at least, argues that Emerson&#039;s writings (unlike those of Thoreau or Whitman)  provide too little basis for distinguishing those two conditions.



Interest in Emerson&#039;s ideas is widespread, and large segments of the American population  gives unexamined  credence to his proposals with little awareness that he advocated them.  Nor do our contemporary citizens sense the difficulties  for ethical or political action in the Emersonian observation that &quot;the democrat is a young conservative;  the conservative is an old democrat&quot; (quoted and analyzed in Buell 84).   In that formulation, we are all trapped on one end or another of  a see-saw without liberty or personal independence, and Emerson&#039;s famous call for  &quot;Whim&quot; looks more like an epistemological sleight of hand than a fresh beginning.



It seems to me  that we do need a different starting point from  &quot;self-reliance&quot; as Emerson outlines  it to serve as a ground for a future together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analysis by Lawrence Buell that mynocturama recommends does tease out the very paradox that, I think, motivates Emerson&#8217;s proposals.  Buell puts it this way:  &#8220;Emersonian Self-Reliance is easy to sum up but tricky to pin down.  It seems to be founded on a self-contradiction:  we are entitled to trust our deepest convictions of what is true and right insofar as every person[&#8216;s inmost identity is a transpersonal universal&#8221;  (Buell 59).</p>
<p>Buell&#8217;s treatment of the essays on Napoleon and Margaret Fuller as amplifications and amendments to the earlier &#8220;Self-Reliance&#8221; essay are useful reminders that by the 1850s the reformist optimism of America&#8217;s 1830s and 1840s had begun to darken.   Buell makes the nice observation  that the  &#8220;Napoleon&#8221; essay appears in 1850, two years after the revolutions of 1848 that had a sobering impact on a United States lurching toward sectarian war.</p>
<p>Buell&#8217;s analysis, however, does emphasize lineaments for a &#8220;larger public self&#8221; featured in mynocturama&#8217;s description:</p>
<p>mynocturama:  <i>And, yes, this does open up ambiguities as to what we are the organ of when we are being self-reliant &#8211; we may very well feel self-reliant, spontaneous and energetic, in the service of some ulterior ideology, unbeknowst to ourselves. And ambiguities concerning the â€œselfâ€ abound in Emerson. For instance, Emerson seems to imply that in the deepest seat of the â€œprivateâ€ self lies access to a larger, â€œpublicâ€ self, more authentically â€œpublicâ€ than what we normally think of as â€œpublicâ€ (reputation, status, etcâ€¦). So it can get tricky and slippery.</i></p>
<p>Buell:  &#8220;Other questions remain. Preeminently:  How can we know when we are being self-reliant rather than merely headstrong?&#8221;  (Buell 69).</p>
<p>I would be interested in the evidence for any limitations that Emerson postulate for that  &#8220;larger public self&#8221; (that would be analogous to the &#8220;higher laws&#8221; for which Thoreau agues in <i>Walden</i>.</p>
<p>But just to finish the point, I would say that the ambiguities that mynocturama sees opening up can become so overwhelming that they render any search for self-reliance into a self-consuming pursuit of  a vague will-o-the-wisp with which Hawthorne and Melville are preoccupied.</p>
<p>mynocturama calls these problems of ambiguity and uncertainty  &#8220;tricky and slippery.&#8221;  I wonder if he would accept &#8220;naive&#8221; and &#8220;dangerous&#8221; as additional appropriate adjectives?  To focus on the &#8220;natural self&#8221; as a universal ethical touchstone at the beginning of the 21st Century &#8212; after a entire century of nightmare killer regimes using &#8220;natural reason&#8221; or &#8220;natural humanity&#8221;  as ethical rationales &#8212; raises, I would think, more problems than it resolves.    Emerson would agree with Zeke&#8217;s statement, &#8220;at oneâ€™s most self reliant, one is least selfish,&#8221; but Lawrence Buell, at least, argues that Emerson&#8217;s writings (unlike those of Thoreau or Whitman)  provide too little basis for distinguishing those two conditions.</p>
<p>Interest in Emerson&#8217;s ideas is widespread, and large segments of the American population  gives unexamined  credence to his proposals with little awareness that he advocated them.  Nor do our contemporary citizens sense the difficulties  for ethical or political action in the Emersonian observation that &#8220;the democrat is a young conservative;  the conservative is an old democrat&#8221; (quoted and analyzed in Buell 84).   In that formulation, we are all trapped on one end or another of  a see-saw without liberty or personal independence, and Emerson&#8217;s famous call for  &#8220;Whim&#8221; looks more like an epistemological sleight of hand than a fresh beginning.</p>
<p>It seems to me  that we do need a different starting point from  &#8220;self-reliance&#8221; as Emerson outlines  it to serve as a ground for a future together.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see redding&#039;s interesting post. I, too, hope you will keep participating. You say:  &lt;i&gt;I think it is abundantly clear in his argument that the provocations and actions of a self-reliant individual &lt;b&gt;will&lt;/b&gt; NOT contradict the basic principles of nature. Self-reliant actions will probably violate social taboos and the norms of custom, but not the basic processes of nature.&lt;/i&gt;(my emphasis)



I agree. I think I would state it even more strongly by changing &quot;will not&quot; to &quot;cannot.&quot; Man is part of Nature and Nature (including man) originates in Spirit. As potter expressed better than I can, the quest is to find --and acccept-- one&#039;s place IN nature. This can only be done by transcending selfish desires; at one&#039;s most self reliant, one is least selfish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see redding&#8217;s interesting post. I, too, hope you will keep participating. You say:  <i>I think it is abundantly clear in his argument that the provocations and actions of a self-reliant individual <b>will</b> NOT contradict the basic principles of nature. Self-reliant actions will probably violate social taboos and the norms of custom, but not the basic processes of nature.</i>(my emphasis)</p>
<p>I agree. I think I would state it even more strongly by changing &#8220;will not&#8221; to &#8220;cannot.&#8221; Man is part of Nature and Nature (including man) originates in Spirit. As potter expressed better than I can, the quest is to find &#8211;and acccept&#8211; one&#8217;s place IN nature. This can only be done by transcending selfish desires; at one&#8217;s most self reliant, one is least selfish.</p>
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		<title>By: mynocturama</title>
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		<dc:creator>mynocturama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;than&quot; should read &quot;then,&quot; as in &quot;then it wouldn&#039;t have much point at all.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;than&#8221; should read &#8220;then,&#8221; as in &#8220;then it wouldn&#8217;t have much point at all.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mynocturama</title>
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		<dc:creator>mynocturama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful post Redding.  Please post more.



Briefly, on the question of whether Emersonian Self-Reliance actually contains &quot;a hidden agenda of social conformity,&quot; I&#039;d recommend Lawrence Buell&#039;s very good &quot;Emerson&quot; - he addresses the shadings and meanings of Emerson&#039;s &quot;Self,&quot; and does a good job of making clear and accessible and explicit Emerson&#039;s argument, which exists in a condensed and implicit form in the essays themselves.



And as far as Emersonian &quot;individualism&quot; goes, I&#039;ll just say for now that it is, I think, very much a means to an end, not an end onto itself.  Namely, Self-Reliance as a means of being &quot;an organ of activity&quot; of the &quot;immense intelligence&quot; we lie in the lap of.  Otherwise, if it weren&#039;t a means to something larger, something more, than it wouldn&#039;t have much point at all.  And, yes, this does open up ambiguities as to what we are the organ of when we are being self-reliant - we may very well feel self-reliant, spontaneous and energetic, in the service of some ulterior ideology, unbeknowst to ourselves.  And ambiguities concerning the &quot;self&quot; abound in Emerson.  For instance, Emerson seems to imply that in the deepest seat of the &quot;private&quot; self lies access to a larger, &quot;public&quot; self, more authentically &quot;public&quot; than what we normally think of as &quot;public&quot; (reputation, status, etc...).  So it can get tricky and slippery.



Anyway, thanks again for your post.  Look forward to reading more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful post Redding.  Please post more.</p>
<p>Briefly, on the question of whether Emersonian Self-Reliance actually contains &#8220;a hidden agenda of social conformity,&#8221; I&#8217;d recommend Lawrence Buell&#8217;s very good &#8220;Emerson&#8221; &#8211; he addresses the shadings and meanings of Emerson&#8217;s &#8220;Self,&#8221; and does a good job of making clear and accessible and explicit Emerson&#8217;s argument, which exists in a condensed and implicit form in the essays themselves.</p>
<p>And as far as Emersonian &#8220;individualism&#8221; goes, I&#8217;ll just say for now that it is, I think, very much a means to an end, not an end onto itself.  Namely, Self-Reliance as a means of being &#8220;an organ of activity&#8221; of the &#8220;immense intelligence&#8221; we lie in the lap of.  Otherwise, if it weren&#8217;t a means to something larger, something more, than it wouldn&#8217;t have much point at all.  And, yes, this does open up ambiguities as to what we are the organ of when we are being self-reliant &#8211; we may very well feel self-reliant, spontaneous and energetic, in the service of some ulterior ideology, unbeknowst to ourselves.  And ambiguities concerning the &#8220;self&#8221; abound in Emerson.  For instance, Emerson seems to imply that in the deepest seat of the &#8220;private&#8221; self lies access to a larger, &#8220;public&#8221; self, more authentically &#8220;public&#8221; than what we normally think of as &#8220;public&#8221; (reputation, status, etc&#8230;).  So it can get tricky and slippery.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again for your post.  Look forward to reading more.</p>
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		<title>By: Redding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reading the reactions to Emerson&#039;s &quot;Self-Reliance&quot; on this page (and I did not read all of them completely) I was struck by the occasional swerve  into an understanding of  &quot;self reliance,&quot; that, I think,  contravene  Emerson&#039;s proposal.  The problem arises from the various shades of meaning that Emerson attaches to his terms, &quot;self&quot; and &quot;individual.&quot;    While I think his terminology is sometimes unclear (he was not burdened with that hobgoblin of a little mind, consistency)  I think it is abundantly clear in his argument that  the provocations and actions of a self-reliant individual will NOT contradict the basic principles of nature.   Self-reliant actions will probably violate social taboos and the norms of custom, but not the basic processes of nature.



I offer three quotations in support of that reading:



     &quot;We lie in the lap of immense intelligence, which makes us receivers of its

      truth and organs of its activity.  When we discern justice, when we discern

      truth, we do nothing of ourselves, but allow a passage to its beams. If we

      ask whence this comes, if we seek to pry into the soul that causes, all

      philosophy is at fault. Its presence or its absence is all we can affirm. Every

      man discriminates between the voluntary acts of his mind and his involuntary

      perceptions, and knows that to his involuntary perceptions a perfect faith is due.&quot;



     &quot;Thoughtless people contradict as readily the statement of perceptions as of

      opinions, or rather much more readily; for they do not distinguish between

      perception and notion. They fancy that I choose to see this or that thing. But

      perception is not whimsical, but fatal. If I see a trait, my children will see it

      after me, and in course of time all mankind,-- although it may chance that

      no one has seen it before me.  For my perception of it is as much a fact as

      the sun.&quot;





     &quot;Why then do we prate of self-reliance? Inasmuch as the soul is present there

      will be power not confident but agent. To talk of reliance is a poor external

      way of speaking.  Speak rather of that which relies because it works and is.&quot;



For Emerson, &quot;self-relliance&quot; might more properly be called &quot;reliance on and conformity to natural process.&quot;   Emerson does not mean that individuals are free to say or do whatever they may think is true.  Only &quot;thoughtless persons&quot; contradict the fatality of pereception;  the true aristocrats of consciousness subordinate their INDIVIDUAL will to the &quot;immense intelligence&quot; of which we are the &quot;agent&quot; rather than pretend to be an independent point of awareness



The irony is for Emerson, the self is most &quot;self-reliant&quot; when it is most integrated into the rhythms and powers of nature.   While Emerson definitely opposes relationships of social dependency wherein the self is a craven functionary in a structured world,  I think that we misread him when we understand his proposal as a call for radical independence of the self or a liberation into whimsy and personal expression.  A self-reliant poet is also the one who is speaking for nature&#039;s processes (and I think that is how Emerson read Whitman&#039;s &quot;Song of Myself&quot; and why both men saw Whitman as Emerson&#039;s true ephebe).



I am fairly certain that Emerson would disagree with Claude McKay&#039;s epigram (quoted above), &quot;If a man is not faithful to his individuality, he cannot be loyal to anybody,&quot; and I am even more certain that McKay would consider Emerson&#039;s idea of self-reliance as containing a hidden agenda of social conformity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading the reactions to Emerson&#8217;s &#8220;Self-Reliance&#8221; on this page (and I did not read all of them completely) I was struck by the occasional swerve  into an understanding of  &#8220;self reliance,&#8221; that, I think,  contravene  Emerson&#8217;s proposal.  The problem arises from the various shades of meaning that Emerson attaches to his terms, &#8220;self&#8221; and &#8220;individual.&#8221;    While I think his terminology is sometimes unclear (he was not burdened with that hobgoblin of a little mind, consistency)  I think it is abundantly clear in his argument that  the provocations and actions of a self-reliant individual will NOT contradict the basic principles of nature.   Self-reliant actions will probably violate social taboos and the norms of custom, but not the basic processes of nature.</p>
<p>I offer three quotations in support of that reading:</p>
<p>     &#8220;We lie in the lap of immense intelligence, which makes us receivers of its</p>
<p>      truth and organs of its activity.  When we discern justice, when we discern</p>
<p>      truth, we do nothing of ourselves, but allow a passage to its beams. If we</p>
<p>      ask whence this comes, if we seek to pry into the soul that causes, all</p>
<p>      philosophy is at fault. Its presence or its absence is all we can affirm. Every</p>
<p>      man discriminates between the voluntary acts of his mind and his involuntary</p>
<p>      perceptions, and knows that to his involuntary perceptions a perfect faith is due.&#8221;</p>
<p>     &#8220;Thoughtless people contradict as readily the statement of perceptions as of</p>
<p>      opinions, or rather much more readily; for they do not distinguish between</p>
<p>      perception and notion. They fancy that I choose to see this or that thing. But</p>
<p>      perception is not whimsical, but fatal. If I see a trait, my children will see it</p>
<p>      after me, and in course of time all mankind,&#8211; although it may chance that</p>
<p>      no one has seen it before me.  For my perception of it is as much a fact as</p>
<p>      the sun.&#8221;</p>
<p>     &#8220;Why then do we prate of self-reliance? Inasmuch as the soul is present there</p>
<p>      will be power not confident but agent. To talk of reliance is a poor external</p>
<p>      way of speaking.  Speak rather of that which relies because it works and is.&#8221;</p>
<p>For Emerson, &#8220;self-relliance&#8221; might more properly be called &#8220;reliance on and conformity to natural process.&#8221;   Emerson does not mean that individuals are free to say or do whatever they may think is true.  Only &#8220;thoughtless persons&#8221; contradict the fatality of pereception;  the true aristocrats of consciousness subordinate their INDIVIDUAL will to the &#8220;immense intelligence&#8221; of which we are the &#8220;agent&#8221; rather than pretend to be an independent point of awareness</p>
<p>The irony is for Emerson, the self is most &#8220;self-reliant&#8221; when it is most integrated into the rhythms and powers of nature.   While Emerson definitely opposes relationships of social dependency wherein the self is a craven functionary in a structured world,  I think that we misread him when we understand his proposal as a call for radical independence of the self or a liberation into whimsy and personal expression.  A self-reliant poet is also the one who is speaking for nature&#8217;s processes (and I think that is how Emerson read Whitman&#8217;s &#8220;Song of Myself&#8221; and why both men saw Whitman as Emerson&#8217;s true ephebe).</p>
<p>I am fairly certain that Emerson would disagree with Claude McKay&#8217;s epigram (quoted above), &#8220;If a man is not faithful to his individuality, he cannot be loyal to anybody,&#8221; and I am even more certain that McKay would consider Emerson&#8217;s idea of self-reliance as containing a hidden agenda of social conformity.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Zeke. Two screen names over the years. And a computer that sometimes arbitrarily logs on as the &quot;wrong&quot; one. Sorry for any confusion.</description>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for such interesting posts, Mynocturama, Zeke ( one Zeke?) , Bobby. I agree that this thread needed the extra time and I hope we can continue this one as we go on to the others as we have on the &quot;History&quot; thread. So there is a lot of juggling ahead for participants but, as Mynocturama suggests, the essays connect to each other.



I did get personal regarding &quot;Self-Reliance&quot;. I agree Bobby that this is a good approach. Emerson has fortified me personally. It&#039;s not so abstract. As well I bring my own experience to my reading as you all do.



I also find the connection to Buddhism to be right there at the &quot;naught&quot; that Mynocturama focusses on: at the point where Emerson&#039;s stresses one&#039;s own intuition, own life experiences, indeed the present moment ( though he does not say that specifically) as all there is. I hear him saying pay attention to your own response to that which is in front of you, that is primary. That which came before has relevance insofar as it occupies you and process it in your mind. This is liberating. From this point you grow and realize your own potential. Emerson argues against conformity; it&#039;s an abdication.



Note: according to the last published schedule here I was to post for  &quot;Love&quot; tomorrow August 10th. As we are &quot;behind&quot;- I say moving more slowly than we thought and adjusting nicely- I would be most happy to move my date forward until &quot;Spiritual Law&quot; and &quot;Compensation&quot; are under way.  Can we publish a new more realistic schedule- the next round of target dates?  I do think we need target dates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for such interesting posts, Mynocturama, Zeke ( one Zeke?) , Bobby. I agree that this thread needed the extra time and I hope we can continue this one as we go on to the others as we have on the &#8220;History&#8221; thread. So there is a lot of juggling ahead for participants but, as Mynocturama suggests, the essays connect to each other.</p>
<p>I did get personal regarding &#8220;Self-Reliance&#8221;. I agree Bobby that this is a good approach. Emerson has fortified me personally. It&#8217;s not so abstract. As well I bring my own experience to my reading as you all do.</p>
<p>I also find the connection to Buddhism to be right there at the &#8220;naught&#8221; that Mynocturama focusses on: at the point where Emerson&#8217;s stresses one&#8217;s own intuition, own life experiences, indeed the present moment ( though he does not say that specifically) as all there is. I hear him saying pay attention to your own response to that which is in front of you, that is primary. That which came before has relevance insofar as it occupies you and process it in your mind. This is liberating. From this point you grow and realize your own potential. Emerson argues against conformity; it&#8217;s an abdication.</p>
<p>Note: according to the last published schedule here I was to post for  &#8220;Love&#8221; tomorrow August 10th. As we are &#8220;behind&#8221;- I say moving more slowly than we thought and adjusting nicely- I would be most happy to move my date forward until &#8220;Spiritual Law&#8221; and &#8220;Compensation&#8221; are under way.  Can we publish a new more realistic schedule- the next round of target dates?  I do think we need target dates.</p>
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		<title>By: mynocturama</title>
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		<dc:creator>mynocturama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zeke = zeke317 ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zeke = zeke317 ?</p>
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