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]]> By: Sutter http://www.radioopensource.org/one-nation-under-surveillance/#comment-85005 Sutter Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:28:53 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=947#comment-85005 Right -- the unmarked car itself is the "live" camera, which gives rise to the possibility that other cameras (other unmarked cars) may be "live" (may be the fuzz). Right — the unmarked car itself is the “live” camera, which gives rise to the possibility that other cameras (other unmarked cars) may be “live” (may be the fuzz).

]]> By: herbert browne http://www.radioopensource.org/one-nation-under-surveillance/#comment-85004 herbert browne Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:14:10 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=947#comment-85004 Sutter, I agree... there IS deterrence value- to a point. As cameras (including "blanks") proliferate, though, we're moving towards a "New" anti-authoritarian (&/or "criminal") mindset, that begins to weigh the likelihoods of various cameras being real, & active. Actually, the "unmarked police car" is the opposite of the fake CCTV video-cam... however, you're correct, in that it does have a similar deterrent value... ^..^ Sutter, I agree… there IS deterrence value- to a point. As cameras (including “blanks”) proliferate, though, we’re moving towards a “New” anti-authoritarian (&/or “criminal”) mindset, that begins to weigh the likelihoods of various cameras being real, & active. Actually, the “unmarked police car” is the opposite of the fake CCTV video-cam… however, you’re correct, in that it does have a similar deterrent value… ^..^

]]> By: Sutter http://www.radioopensource.org/one-nation-under-surveillance/#comment-85003 Sutter Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:00:33 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=947#comment-85003 Given Tom B's quotation of Sir Otto above, I'd also ask Sir Otto why September 12 is the appropriate point for making judgments. Why is my perspective on September 12 more valid than my perspective today, with 5 years' more experience? There are a lot of things we would agree to or do in the heat of the moment at times of great anxiety that we would never do upon reflection. Given Tom B’s quotation of Sir Otto above, I’d also ask Sir Otto why September 12 is the appropriate point for making judgments. Why is my perspective on September 12 more valid than my perspective today, with 5 years’ more experience? There are a lot of things we would agree to or do in the heat of the moment at times of great anxiety that we would never do upon reflection.

]]> By: Sutter http://www.radioopensource.org/one-nation-under-surveillance/#comment-85002 Sutter Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:58:18 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=947#comment-85002 Herbert Brown: Apologies; I don't follow. If you are saying that deterrence can work even with some dummy cameras, etc., I agree absolutely. This is the theory behind the unmarked police car: It will catch some speeders, but more important, it will make us all unsure whether the ordinary cars behind and around us are going to pull us over. (I read an interesting article a while back proposing that it should be illegal to advertise that you are using an alarm system on your house or car, because then the thieves would never know who was and who wasn't (the perhaps flawed assumption being that all who use such systems will otherwise make it known that they do).) If, on the other hand, your point is that we therefore should reduce the number of cameras, I don't think that's right, because the cameras are serving a purpose other than deterrence -- they're also used to collect evidence, etc. I'm not saying I support their use all over -- just that the point made on the show that "post-hoc = no deterrence value" was flawed. Herbert Brown: Apologies; I don’t follow. If you are saying that deterrence can work even with some dummy cameras, etc., I agree absolutely. This is the theory behind the unmarked police car: It will catch some speeders, but more important, it will make us all unsure whether the ordinary cars behind and around us are going to pull us over. (I read an interesting article a while back proposing that it should be illegal to advertise that you are using an alarm system on your house or car, because then the thieves would never know who was and who wasn’t (the perhaps flawed assumption being that all who use such systems will otherwise make it known that they do).)

If, on the other hand, your point is that we therefore should reduce the number of cameras, I don’t think that’s right, because the cameras are serving a purpose other than deterrence — they’re also used to collect evidence, etc. I’m not saying I support their use all over — just that the point made on the show that “post-hoc = no deterrence value” was flawed.

]]> By: Tom B http://www.radioopensource.org/one-nation-under-surveillance/#comment-85001 Tom B Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:24:05 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=947#comment-85001 ---- If you had polled everyone on the site on Sept 12, 2001, you can bet they would have voted for a police state. ... We need a hard, firm protection plan which, no doubt, will offend some people. --- Interesting that the democratic concept (if you had polled everyone) segues into a police state (you can bet they would have voted for a police state).... Then "we" (unspecified) need a "hard, firm protection plan". Unfortunately, the question of who implements this plan is not specified (the Great Decider?). And obviously the poster -- who presumably isn't on a first name basis with those who control the "hard, firm protection plan" -- doesn't expect to be one of those "offended". Presumably he/she assumes the arrow will point in some other direction. But police states don't operate that way; they devour their own children to justify themselves, finding ever wider circles of "enemies of the state". And we have now rediscovered one of the oldest truths in political history: the last stage of civilizational decline is democracy (rule by the panicked herd), inexorably followed by the appointment of a dictator promising (falsely) safety to the huddled, frightened sheep. (PS.. Don't ever use back facing sharp brackets or it will cut your post off!!!) —- If you had polled everyone on the site on Sept 12, 2001, you can bet they would have voted for a police state. … We need a hard, firm protection plan which, no doubt, will offend some people. — Interesting that the democratic concept (if you had polled everyone) segues into a police state (you can bet they would have voted for a police state)…. Then “we” (unspecified) need a “hard, firm protection plan”. Unfortunately, the question of who implements this plan is not specified (the Great Decider?). And obviously the poster — who presumably isn’t on a first name basis with those who control the “hard, firm protection plan” — doesn’t expect to be one of those “offended”. Presumably he/she assumes the arrow will point in some other direction. But police states don’t operate that way; they devour their own children to justify themselves, finding ever wider circles of “enemies of the state”. And we have now rediscovered one of the oldest truths in political history: the last stage of civilizational decline is democracy (rule by the panicked herd), inexorably followed by the appointment of a dictator promising (falsely) safety to the huddled, frightened sheep. (PS.. Don’t ever use back facing sharp brackets or it will cut your post off!!!)

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