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		<title>By: danteoleu</title>
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		<dc:creator>danteoleu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANOTHER  BANNANAREPUBLIC????

It seems frightening that we are wasting billions of
dollars and thousands of lives-- Iraqi and American--
pretending that we are fighting the Mahdi Army or
alQaeda when in fact we are using soldiers to fight
criminal gangs turning on each other, not militias.
These forces disrupt the very Iraq we occupy and fail
to protect while causing a lot of &quot;collateral damage.&quot;
Worse still, we are failing to develop an Iraqi police
force adequate to bring law and order in a nation that
had it until we weakened it since 1991 and destroyed
totally in 2003, promoting US then Iraqi gangster
economics by failing to promote law and order. Our
army does the only thing it knows how to do: make
soldiers. By promoting an army that is 50% greater
than Saddam&#039;s army at his strongest point, the US is
using the Iraqi Army against Iraqis. So what Crocker
and Petraeus didn&#039;t tell us is that we are, in effect,
creating another banana republic where the military
fights the people.

Daniel E. Teodoru</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANOTHER  BANNANAREPUBLIC????</p>
<p>It seems frightening that we are wasting billions of<br />
dollars and thousands of lives&#8211; Iraqi and American&#8211;<br />
pretending that we are fighting the Mahdi Army or<br />
alQaeda when in fact we are using soldiers to fight<br />
criminal gangs turning on each other, not militias.<br />
These forces disrupt the very Iraq we occupy and fail<br />
to protect while causing a lot of &#8220;collateral damage.&#8221;<br />
Worse still, we are failing to develop an Iraqi police<br />
force adequate to bring law and order in a nation that<br />
had it until we weakened it since 1991 and destroyed<br />
totally in 2003, promoting US then Iraqi gangster<br />
economics by failing to promote law and order. Our<br />
army does the only thing it knows how to do: make<br />
soldiers. By promoting an army that is 50% greater<br />
than Saddam&#8217;s army at his strongest point, the US is<br />
using the Iraqi Army against Iraqis. So what Crocker<br />
and Petraeus didn&#8217;t tell us is that we are, in effect,<br />
creating another banana republic where the military<br />
fights the people.</p>
<p>Daniel E. Teodoru</p>
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		<title>By: danteoleu</title>
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		<dc:creator>danteoleu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SADR&#039;S GAZA

We now know what Israeli turn-over of Gaza and
American democratization of Baghdad mean: pour
concrete on them all and when it dries shoot from the
air whatever still moves.

Gareth Porter-- my personal nemesis supporting Hanoi
back in the Vietnam War days-- has proven to be one of
the most astute analysts of the Iraq situation in Wash
DC (perhaps I should reconsider Vietnam too). In a
recent analysis he reads Maliki&#039;s attack on Basra as a
last minute attempt to preempt an American assault on
the city, pre-planned since last June as part of the
surge. Porter is spot-on, as oil companies execs will
testify.  

To ease the high cost of gasoline suffered by
Americans before he leave office Bush wants to at
least secure the Basra fields, where 80% of Iraq&#039;s
known oil reserves are located, and the port of exit,
Basra City. He believes that cheap oil will make the
Iraq War worth it to Americans and all his
incompetence and indecisiveness would be forgiven. It
should be remembered that the first priority of the
Iraq invasion of 2003 was not to allow Saddam to, in
defeat, set fire to the oil wells as he had done in
Kuwait. So, while in 2003 every building and person in
Baghdad was pillaged, plundered and molested by roving
gangs, American soldiers stood by watching-- a crime
by international law, for safety and order are the
responsibility of the occupying power-- the oil fields
were safe and sound.

With oil now at twice the price back when Bush sought
to make Iraq America&#039;s own oil gusher, Bush would like
to leave office with &quot;mission [partially]
accomplished&quot; at least: Basra safe for imperial
plunder by Western oil companies so that Iraq&#039;s oil
can drown OPEC&#039;s quotas.

PM Maliki is still resisting the oil privatization
law-- allowing Western investment in and domination of
the oil fields-- that the US tried to shove down his
throat. Maliki knows well that if the US seizes Basra,
who masters the fields becomes moot. To date, with the
British having abandoned the imperial program early,
the oil has been flowing through the hands of
everything from religious militias to criminal gangs
on to the global black market. For five years now, so
fearful of the explosive insecurity, American oil
giants have shied away from commitment to seizing
Iraq&#039;s oil. In that sense, one can say that the
insurgency has-- so far-- been successful.

But suddenly, after Hunt made a totally illegal deal
with the Kurds, bypassing the Iraqi government, for
the smaller fields in the North of Iraq, Maliki,
having denounced and rejected the deal, noted that
American oil companies were lining up to sign on for
the Basra fields in the South. So, to head off Bush&#039;s
plans for Basra oil, Maliki moved to seize Basra first
and forced the US to provide logistic and air support
by placing before Petraeus a fait accompli. To deny
support would violate Iraq&#039;s sovereignty and Malki
could demand that the US leave immediately. Already he
faced down the US last year claiming that if the US
stops supporting him he can find other friends
elsewhere. First the British complied and then
Petraeus had no choice.

But there is a further absurdity in all this. PM
Maiki-- who came to power thanks to Sadr&#039;s political
support-- has now focused his forces on Sadr&#039;s Mahdi
Militia, insisting that they disarm and disband and
that Sadr himself abandon all political aspirations.
To mount his offensive, Maliki aligned with Hakim&#039;s
Iran run and created Badr forces for the Basra
offensive. The Iran created ISCI that Hakim heads
wants to make a separate autonomous federal unit of
Iraq&#039;s nine Southern provinces, where 80% of the
proven oil reserves lie. So, using the Iran-proxy for
troops, the Brits and US for air support and
logistics, Maliki hoped to destroy the Shi&#039;ite Sadr
Tendency Movement before the US does.

Unlike Hakim, Sadr is an Iraqi nationalist who does
not allow the similar Shia confessional bond with Iran
to eclipse the fact that Iraqis are Arabs, not
Persians. He sought a Shia-Sunni Iraqi alliance to 
expel the US with ceremonial thank yous for removing
Saddam and bands playing all the way to the door: it&#039;s
time to go home, Yankee!

Maliki is also an Iraqi nationalist who does not want
Iranian domination. But he realizes that, just as Bush
is on his way out of the White House, the US is on its
way out of Iraq. He must, therefore, come up with a
counter-force to the Sunni neighboring states that
have been feeding the insurgency all along (Saudis
provided suicide volunteers and technology while
Kuwait provided the money and Gulf states serve as
bankers with transferred Saddam&#039;s billions for the
insurgency). Maliki&#039;s solution was a temporary
alliance with ISCI (whose Badr forces were killing
Iraqis for Iran during the 1980s Iran-Iraq War). By
working with this creature of Tehran-- whom Bush
Administration schemers saw as the best ally in order
to stop Iranian involvement in the war-- Maliki felt
confident that Iran would support his regime while he
brings the Sunnis in line after the Americans leave.
Prior to the invasion, Hakim was in on all the CIA
guided and funded exiles&#039; councils in London of the
Iraqi National Council, led by Ahmed Chalabi, another
proven Iranian spy. Back then it didn&#039;t matter because
Bush was planning a one-two regime change two-step:
Iraq--&gt;Iran. But with no regime change possible in
Iran to date, Bush had to grumble and watch helpless
while all Shia factions maneuvered for Iranian
backing. 

All this is clever by half. As Americans, given our
original oily motives, let us ask ourselves what does
it cost in blood, time and money to kill one insurgent
and how many must we kill in order to secure the oil
fields for ourselves?

Making the multiplication, the price seems almost as
great as the technological revolution that would make
the US independent of Mideast oil. Yet, we rather copy
the storm trooper tactics which the Israelis in turn
copied from the English, Germans, Soviets and South
Africans in order to suppress any objection to our
imperial designs on Iraqi oil; we are thus losing
irreplaceable *VOLUNTEER* soldiers (none of the neocon
chicken-hawks are stepping up to replace them!) and
creating orphans and widows just because we can&#039;t
admit that we were defeated by our own military&#039;s
criminal incompetence. How much top-down
low-brain-powered arrogance will it take before
America realizes that it has been morally, globally
and economically exsanguinated?

The Arab survivors of our war crimes, as the Israelis
learned the hard way, will for generation afterward
never forget and never forgive. In that sense (and
also given that we invited use of airliners as suicide
guided missiles by leaving ALL pilot&#039;s cabin doors
wide open) we are at fault for 9/11 by providing
generations of victims of our violent oil grabs reason
to hate us and want to kill us as they kill themselves
in revenge for generations to come. On might say that
Reverend Wright-- who served his country as a Marine,
unlike Bill Clinton who evaded the Draft and
demonstrated against America in Moscow Square-- might
have a point: avarice and hubris make us our own worst
enemy.

Daniel E. Teodoru</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SADR&#8217;S GAZA</p>
<p>We now know what Israeli turn-over of Gaza and<br />
American democratization of Baghdad mean: pour<br />
concrete on them all and when it dries shoot from the<br />
air whatever still moves.</p>
<p>Gareth Porter&#8211; my personal nemesis supporting Hanoi<br />
back in the Vietnam War days&#8211; has proven to be one of<br />
the most astute analysts of the Iraq situation in Wash<br />
DC (perhaps I should reconsider Vietnam too). In a<br />
recent analysis he reads Maliki&#8217;s attack on Basra as a<br />
last minute attempt to preempt an American assault on<br />
the city, pre-planned since last June as part of the<br />
surge. Porter is spot-on, as oil companies execs will<br />
testify.  </p>
<p>To ease the high cost of gasoline suffered by<br />
Americans before he leave office Bush wants to at<br />
least secure the Basra fields, where 80% of Iraq&#8217;s<br />
known oil reserves are located, and the port of exit,<br />
Basra City. He believes that cheap oil will make the<br />
Iraq War worth it to Americans and all his<br />
incompetence and indecisiveness would be forgiven. It<br />
should be remembered that the first priority of the<br />
Iraq invasion of 2003 was not to allow Saddam to, in<br />
defeat, set fire to the oil wells as he had done in<br />
Kuwait. So, while in 2003 every building and person in<br />
Baghdad was pillaged, plundered and molested by roving<br />
gangs, American soldiers stood by watching&#8211; a crime<br />
by international law, for safety and order are the<br />
responsibility of the occupying power&#8211; the oil fields<br />
were safe and sound.</p>
<p>With oil now at twice the price back when Bush sought<br />
to make Iraq America&#8217;s own oil gusher, Bush would like<br />
to leave office with &#8220;mission [partially]<br />
accomplished&#8221; at least: Basra safe for imperial<br />
plunder by Western oil companies so that Iraq&#8217;s oil<br />
can drown OPEC&#8217;s quotas.</p>
<p>PM Maliki is still resisting the oil privatization<br />
law&#8211; allowing Western investment in and domination of<br />
the oil fields&#8211; that the US tried to shove down his<br />
throat. Maliki knows well that if the US seizes Basra,<br />
who masters the fields becomes moot. To date, with the<br />
British having abandoned the imperial program early,<br />
the oil has been flowing through the hands of<br />
everything from religious militias to criminal gangs<br />
on to the global black market. For five years now, so<br />
fearful of the explosive insecurity, American oil<br />
giants have shied away from commitment to seizing<br />
Iraq&#8217;s oil. In that sense, one can say that the<br />
insurgency has&#8211; so far&#8211; been successful.</p>
<p>But suddenly, after Hunt made a totally illegal deal<br />
with the Kurds, bypassing the Iraqi government, for<br />
the smaller fields in the North of Iraq, Maliki,<br />
having denounced and rejected the deal, noted that<br />
American oil companies were lining up to sign on for<br />
the Basra fields in the South. So, to head off Bush&#8217;s<br />
plans for Basra oil, Maliki moved to seize Basra first<br />
and forced the US to provide logistic and air support<br />
by placing before Petraeus a fait accompli. To deny<br />
support would violate Iraq&#8217;s sovereignty and Malki<br />
could demand that the US leave immediately. Already he<br />
faced down the US last year claiming that if the US<br />
stops supporting him he can find other friends<br />
elsewhere. First the British complied and then<br />
Petraeus had no choice.</p>
<p>But there is a further absurdity in all this. PM<br />
Maiki&#8211; who came to power thanks to Sadr&#8217;s political<br />
support&#8211; has now focused his forces on Sadr&#8217;s Mahdi<br />
Militia, insisting that they disarm and disband and<br />
that Sadr himself abandon all political aspirations.<br />
To mount his offensive, Maliki aligned with Hakim&#8217;s<br />
Iran run and created Badr forces for the Basra<br />
offensive. The Iran created ISCI that Hakim heads<br />
wants to make a separate autonomous federal unit of<br />
Iraq&#8217;s nine Southern provinces, where 80% of the<br />
proven oil reserves lie. So, using the Iran-proxy for<br />
troops, the Brits and US for air support and<br />
logistics, Maliki hoped to destroy the Shi&#8217;ite Sadr<br />
Tendency Movement before the US does.</p>
<p>Unlike Hakim, Sadr is an Iraqi nationalist who does<br />
not allow the similar Shia confessional bond with Iran<br />
to eclipse the fact that Iraqis are Arabs, not<br />
Persians. He sought a Shia-Sunni Iraqi alliance to<br />
expel the US with ceremonial thank yous for removing<br />
Saddam and bands playing all the way to the door: it&#8217;s<br />
time to go home, Yankee!</p>
<p>Maliki is also an Iraqi nationalist who does not want<br />
Iranian domination. But he realizes that, just as Bush<br />
is on his way out of the White House, the US is on its<br />
way out of Iraq. He must, therefore, come up with a<br />
counter-force to the Sunni neighboring states that<br />
have been feeding the insurgency all along (Saudis<br />
provided suicide volunteers and technology while<br />
Kuwait provided the money and Gulf states serve as<br />
bankers with transferred Saddam&#8217;s billions for the<br />
insurgency). Maliki&#8217;s solution was a temporary<br />
alliance with ISCI (whose Badr forces were killing<br />
Iraqis for Iran during the 1980s Iran-Iraq War). By<br />
working with this creature of Tehran&#8211; whom Bush<br />
Administration schemers saw as the best ally in order<br />
to stop Iranian involvement in the war&#8211; Maliki felt<br />
confident that Iran would support his regime while he<br />
brings the Sunnis in line after the Americans leave.<br />
Prior to the invasion, Hakim was in on all the CIA<br />
guided and funded exiles&#8217; councils in London of the<br />
Iraqi National Council, led by Ahmed Chalabi, another<br />
proven Iranian spy. Back then it didn&#8217;t matter because<br />
Bush was planning a one-two regime change two-step:<br />
Iraq&#8211;&gt;Iran. But with no regime change possible in<br />
Iran to date, Bush had to grumble and watch helpless<br />
while all Shia factions maneuvered for Iranian<br />
backing. </p>
<p>All this is clever by half. As Americans, given our<br />
original oily motives, let us ask ourselves what does<br />
it cost in blood, time and money to kill one insurgent<br />
and how many must we kill in order to secure the oil<br />
fields for ourselves?</p>
<p>Making the multiplication, the price seems almost as<br />
great as the technological revolution that would make<br />
the US independent of Mideast oil. Yet, we rather copy<br />
the storm trooper tactics which the Israelis in turn<br />
copied from the English, Germans, Soviets and South<br />
Africans in order to suppress any objection to our<br />
imperial designs on Iraqi oil; we are thus losing<br />
irreplaceable *VOLUNTEER* soldiers (none of the neocon<br />
chicken-hawks are stepping up to replace them!) and<br />
creating orphans and widows just because we can&#8217;t<br />
admit that we were defeated by our own military&#8217;s<br />
criminal incompetence. How much top-down<br />
low-brain-powered arrogance will it take before<br />
America realizes that it has been morally, globally<br />
and economically exsanguinated?</p>
<p>The Arab survivors of our war crimes, as the Israelis<br />
learned the hard way, will for generation afterward<br />
never forget and never forgive. In that sense (and<br />
also given that we invited use of airliners as suicide<br />
guided missiles by leaving ALL pilot&#8217;s cabin doors<br />
wide open) we are at fault for 9/11 by providing<br />
generations of victims of our violent oil grabs reason<br />
to hate us and want to kill us as they kill themselves<br />
in revenge for generations to come. On might say that<br />
Reverend Wright&#8211; who served his country as a Marine,<br />
unlike Bill Clinton who evaded the Draft and<br />
demonstrated against America in Moscow Square&#8211; might<br />
have a point: avarice and hubris make us our own worst<br />
enemy.</p>
<p>Daniel E. Teodoru</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction ( and it would not hurt to say it again) :

 First this confirms in my &lt;b&gt;mind&lt;/b&gt; that we should leave Iraq, come what may.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction ( and it would not hurt to say it again) :</p>
<p> First this confirms in my <b>mind</b> that we should leave Iraq, come what may.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remain a faithful listener and commenter here with good reason. Thank you for this. First this confirms in my my that we should leave Iraq come what may. Second, though it&#039;s true that we are no longer paying attention fully ( maybe we get the gist of it and can&#039;t do anything but  wait and place our votes in the coming election), just scratch the surface and this war is still a major issue because it is about who we are.

Coincidentally, a companion piece to this interview, which I recommend if you have not listened is  Bill Moyers&#039; amazing one with Leila Fadel of McClatchy. Moyers gives us the opportunity on his web site to watch or listen:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04182008/watch.html

Long live people who do good work..... Thank you Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain a faithful listener and commenter here with good reason. Thank you for this. First this confirms in my my that we should leave Iraq come what may. Second, though it&#8217;s true that we are no longer paying attention fully ( maybe we get the gist of it and can&#8217;t do anything but  wait and place our votes in the coming election), just scratch the surface and this war is still a major issue because it is about who we are.</p>
<p>Coincidentally, a companion piece to this interview, which I recommend if you have not listened is  Bill Moyers&#8217; amazing one with Leila Fadel of McClatchy. Moyers gives us the opportunity on his web site to watch or listen:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04182008/watch.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04182008/watch.html</a></p>
<p>Long live people who do good work&#8230;.. Thank you Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: hurley</title>
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		<dc:creator>hurley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine, timely show. Why not a follow-up with PC&#039;s brother Alexander, who has a new book out:
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Liberal-America-Alexander-Cockburn/dp/1844671305/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1208593446&amp;sr=1-2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine, timely show. Why not a follow-up with PC&#8217;s brother Alexander, who has a new book out:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Death-Liberal-America-Alexander-Cockburn/dp/1844671305/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1208593446&amp;sr=1-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Death-Liberal-America-Alexander-Cockburn/dp/1844671305/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1208593446&amp;sr=1-2</a></p>
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