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		<title>By: william lloyd garrison civil war uri to trackback closed</title>
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		<description>[...] nto a disastrous war ... william lloyd garrison wrote in 1832 ???that the people of the ...http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/The Daily Br [...]</description>
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		<title>By: super fantastic salads for pubs ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>super fantastic salads for pubs ben</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: hurley</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to nother and katemcshane&#039;s evolving proposal: Gershon Legman, Love &amp; Death (1949), a cold eye on America&#039;s Puritan abhorrence of sex (we&#039;re talking 1949 after all, though as Henry Miller said in Reds, &quot;We were ******* just as much then as now, only we didn&#039;t talk about it so much&quot;) and its simultaneous embrace of violence, as seen through an examination of its literature (Edmund Wilson, Hemingway, Chandler, Hammet, Cain, et al), popular culture, and a vast range of material besides. It&#039;s vivid, erudite, and often very funny; also one of the greatest polemics I&#039;ve read against censorship. It was one of William Carlos Williams&#039; &quot;books of the year&quot;...Legman was an eccentric and legendary figure -- Kinsey researcher, authority on origami, &quot;sexologist,&quot; scholar of the dirty joke, and a cracker-jack stylist. Worth a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to nother and katemcshane&#8217;s evolving proposal: Gershon Legman, Love &amp; Death (1949), a cold eye on America&#8217;s Puritan abhorrence of sex (we&#8217;re talking 1949 after all, though as Henry Miller said in Reds, &#8220;We were ******* just as much then as now, only we didn&#8217;t talk about it so much&#8221;) and its simultaneous embrace of violence, as seen through an examination of its literature (Edmund Wilson, Hemingway, Chandler, Hammet, Cain, et al), popular culture, and a vast range of material besides. It&#8217;s vivid, erudite, and often very funny; also one of the greatest polemics I&#8217;ve read against censorship. It was one of William Carlos Williams&#8217; &#8220;books of the year&#8221;&#8230;Legman was an eccentric and legendary figure &#8212; Kinsey researcher, authority on origami, &#8220;sexologist,&#8221; scholar of the dirty joke, and a cracker-jack stylist. Worth a look.</p>
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		<title>By: katemcshane</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nother -- sorry to use this page as a message board -- if you&#039;re interested, go to www.lannan.org (Audio Archives) and listen to a speech given by Chris Hedges about violence/war.  He took such pains to see through to the truth that he took my breath away.  In fact, I&#039;d love to see him included in a discussion of violence/aggression.  And I really cannot talk about rape in this setting, but I will say that women&#039;s groups have done whatever they had to do to stop companies from doing things like including it in video games and if more men worked against violence, it would be unacceptable in the culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nother &#8212; sorry to use this page as a message board &#8212; if you&#8217;re interested, go to <a  href="http://www.lannan.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.lannan.org</a> (Audio Archives) and listen to a speech given by Chris Hedges about violence/war.  He took such pains to see through to the truth that he took my breath away.  In fact, I&#8217;d love to see him included in a discussion of violence/aggression.  And I really cannot talk about rape in this setting, but I will say that women&#8217;s groups have done whatever they had to do to stop companies from doing things like including it in video games and if more men worked against violence, it would be unacceptable in the culture.</p>
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		<title>By: memphis</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good points nother ..... it seems the producers of the games and the movies are deciding on what is socially acceptable in terms of the types of violence which they decide is ok for young minds to view as entertainment.  This will ultimately influence the morales of generations to come - I like your original pitch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good points nother &#8230;.. it seems the producers of the games and the movies are deciding on what is socially acceptable in terms of the types of violence which they decide is ok for young minds to view as entertainment.  This will ultimately influence the morales of generations to come &#8211; I like your original pitch!</p>
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		<title>By: nother</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So at the same time they hang Saddam (I assume not to punish but to deter), New Jersey may be the first state in years to get rid of capital punishment, a trend for the country the Times tells us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/nyregion/03death.html?hp&amp;ex=1167886800&amp;en=059b8a91e7279f4e&amp;ei=5094&amp;partner=homepage

Are we finally going to evolve enough to stop state killing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So at the same time they hang Saddam (I assume not to punish but to deter), New Jersey may be the first state in years to get rid of capital punishment, a trend for the country the Times tells us.</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/nyregion/03death.html?hp&#038;ex=1167886800&#038;en=059b8a91e7279f4e&#038;ei=5094&#038;partner=homepage" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/nyregion/03death.html?hp&#038;ex=1167886800&#038;en=059b8a91e7279f4e&#038;ei=5094&#038;partner=homepage</a></p>
<p>Are we finally going to evolve enough to stop state killing?</p>
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		<title>By: nother</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Katemcshane, those are great suggestions, I only hope the staff can suss something out of our ideas.  I love the domestic violence angle and you make a strong point about people being anti-Iraq yet not anti-war.  This goes to the heart of it, I keep thinking, ok, our country has come to terms with the mistaken invasion, now where is the urgency to leave?  Where is the outrage that Bush is taking vacation while he thinks this over?



Do we need any more evidence that there is a resignation to war in our culture; itâ€™s more than a resignation, itâ€™s the norm?  Most people are reluctant to show outrage about Iraq because deep down they donâ€™t want to be perceived as a pacifist, which is the worst of the worst in our culture.  The sad fact is, people would rather error on the side of war.



I keep going back to a question in my head Katemcshane, one that helped prompt the original pitch.  In all these video games all these kids (especially boys) are playing, killing random people gratuitously is accepted and promoted in many cases.  My question is, why is not acceptable to randomly rape a women on these video games?  This may be a provocative question, but I would like to know why itâ€™s acceptable to go up to a woman character in these games and blow her head off with a machine gun, but not rape her.  Of course my wish is not to see rapes on these games, itâ€™s to see neither rapes nor gratuitous killing.  Everyone knows that if you show too much sex in a movie or God forbid, a manâ€™s penis, the movie gets the dreaded NC 17, but if you show five teenagers being gruesomely murdered, you get a PG 13.



Why Why Why are we not evolving when it comes to violence?  I guess it could be a mute question when you consider are brains have â€œevolvedâ€ enough to envision the ultimate violent act, the means of our own destruction, the nuclear bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Katemcshane, those are great suggestions, I only hope the staff can suss something out of our ideas.  I love the domestic violence angle and you make a strong point about people being anti-Iraq yet not anti-war.  This goes to the heart of it, I keep thinking, ok, our country has come to terms with the mistaken invasion, now where is the urgency to leave?  Where is the outrage that Bush is taking vacation while he thinks this over?</p>
<p>Do we need any more evidence that there is a resignation to war in our culture; itâ€™s more than a resignation, itâ€™s the norm?  Most people are reluctant to show outrage about Iraq because deep down they donâ€™t want to be perceived as a pacifist, which is the worst of the worst in our culture.  The sad fact is, people would rather error on the side of war.</p>
<p>I keep going back to a question in my head Katemcshane, one that helped prompt the original pitch.  In all these video games all these kids (especially boys) are playing, killing random people gratuitously is accepted and promoted in many cases.  My question is, why is not acceptable to randomly rape a women on these video games?  This may be a provocative question, but I would like to know why itâ€™s acceptable to go up to a woman character in these games and blow her head off with a machine gun, but not rape her.  Of course my wish is not to see rapes on these games, itâ€™s to see neither rapes nor gratuitous killing.  Everyone knows that if you show too much sex in a movie or God forbid, a manâ€™s penis, the movie gets the dreaded NC 17, but if you show five teenagers being gruesomely murdered, you get a PG 13.</p>
<p>Why Why Why are we not evolving when it comes to violence?  I guess it could be a mute question when you consider are brains have â€œevolvedâ€ enough to envision the ultimate violent act, the means of our own destruction, the nuclear bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: wzellmer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your work--keep it up. How about doing something on the fall of apartheid in South Africa and contrasting that experience with Iraq. How did S.A. have the wise leadership to prevent a blood bath whereas there seems to be no attempt at reconciliation in post-Sadam Iraq? Could the formal reconciliation process used in S.A. work in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your work&#8211;keep it up. How about doing something on the fall of apartheid in South Africa and contrasting that experience with Iraq. How did S.A. have the wise leadership to prevent a blood bath whereas there seems to be no attempt at reconciliation in post-Sadam Iraq? Could the formal reconciliation process used in S.A. work in Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone! We&#039;re catching up on show pitches after the holidays.



From December 20:



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38080&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thakkus&lt;/a&gt;: a very important but very old question.  Is there a new dimension or angle to this conversation that we&#039;re not aware of? Someone with a new proposal about the rules for violent engagement or a new definition for just war? We need something more to go on.



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38125&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;travellingmind&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;m feeling something similar about this pitch. Important but age-old question that needs a new hook, talker, or core idea to propel it into a show.



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38106&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;enhabit&lt;/a&gt;: I read the tsumani article. Terrible stuff. But what show are you proposing we do about it? Which angle? The tsunami piece? The Red Cross piece? We had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radioopensource.org/how-much-can-the-red-cross-bear/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Red Cross show&lt;/a&gt; going last year after Katrina that ultimately got sent to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radioopensource.org/topics/shows/graveyard/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Graveyard&lt;/a&gt;  because we felt like the moment had passed before the show went on the air; are you suggesting we resurrect it? Help us out here.



From December 27:



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38732&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; jfink&lt;/a&gt;: Thanks for this pitch. I hope you don&#039;t mind if make an example of it, because it&#039;s a good illustration of one sort of pitch we get a lot.



The ideas and arguments you&#039;ve laid out sound like the beginning of what I would call a &quot;think piece,&quot; namely, a persuasive essay that explores some idea or concept, the sort of piece that might run in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Salon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edge.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Edge.org&lt;/a&gt;, or even on your own blog.  These types of pieces can translate really well into radio shows of the sort we do, especially when the ideas are provocative and their authors are willing to come on the show and sing their sermon with one or two good interlocutors.  We love it when you guys send us links to pieces like this, because they translate so well. Have you seen a controversial opinion piece that approaches some concept we think we know in some fresh way? Awesome. We want to read it. One example of a show we did like this that worked really well was the show Chelsea produced about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radioopensource.org/the-end-of-free-will/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The End of Free Will&lt;/a&gt;. It was &quot;high-concept&quot; (sort of like what you&#039;re proposing) but it was totally fascinating.



The thing is, the reason that show worked was that we had &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shirky.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clay Shirky&lt;/a&gt;.  He articulated the idea in his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edge.org/q2006/q06_2.html#top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original piece&lt;/a&gt;, and then took up the mantle on the show. Plus he&#039;s a fantastic talker. Had we not had Clay Shirky (and Jim Leff and Megan McArdle) this show would have been impossible.



So for this pitch and others like it, what you really need to give us is someone who takes up the mantle of &quot;Google vs. Wonder&quot; and can sell that idea on the air like their life depended on it. If you can do that, I think it could make a really interesting show. (If you think that person is &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;, well, it wouldn&#039;t be the first time we put a commentor on the air as a guest, but you&#039;d really have to &quot;sing it,&quot; as we say around here.) Otherwise, this is an essay I would love to read on your blog at some point when it&#039;s fully articulated. Make sense?



(Oh, and finally, as, uh, pressing as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38763&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this problem&lt;/a&gt; is, stu ervin, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right for our show. Maybe you should take this up with your neighborhood association.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone! We&#8217;re catching up on show pitches after the holidays.</p>
<p>From December 20:</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38080" rel="nofollow">Thakkus</a>: a very important but very old question.  Is there a new dimension or angle to this conversation that we&#8217;re not aware of? Someone with a new proposal about the rules for violent engagement or a new definition for just war? We need something more to go on.</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38125" rel="nofollow">travellingmind</a>, I&#8217;m feeling something similar about this pitch. Important but age-old question that needs a new hook, talker, or core idea to propel it into a show.</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38106" rel="nofollow">enhabit</a>: I read the tsumani article. Terrible stuff. But what show are you proposing we do about it? Which angle? The tsunami piece? The Red Cross piece? We had a <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/how-much-can-the-red-cross-bear/" rel="nofollow">Red Cross show</a> going last year after Katrina that ultimately got sent to the <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/topics/shows/graveyard/" rel="nofollow">Graveyard</a>  because we felt like the moment had passed before the show went on the air; are you suggesting we resurrect it? Help us out here.</p>
<p>From December 27:</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38732" rel="nofollow"> jfink</a>: Thanks for this pitch. I hope you don&#8217;t mind if make an example of it, because it&#8217;s a good illustration of one sort of pitch we get a lot.</p>
<p>The ideas and arguments you&#8217;ve laid out sound like the beginning of what I would call a &#8220;think piece,&#8221; namely, a persuasive essay that explores some idea or concept, the sort of piece that might run in <a  href="http://www.salon.com" rel="nofollow">Salon</a>, <a  href="http://www.edge.org" rel="nofollow">Edge.org</a>, or even on your own blog.  These types of pieces can translate really well into radio shows of the sort we do, especially when the ideas are provocative and their authors are willing to come on the show and sing their sermon with one or two good interlocutors.  We love it when you guys send us links to pieces like this, because they translate so well. Have you seen a controversial opinion piece that approaches some concept we think we know in some fresh way? Awesome. We want to read it. One example of a show we did like this that worked really well was the show Chelsea produced about <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/the-end-of-free-will/" rel="nofollow">The End of Free Will</a>. It was &#8220;high-concept&#8221; (sort of like what you&#8217;re proposing) but it was totally fascinating.</p>
<p>The thing is, the reason that show worked was that we had <a  href="http://www.shirky.com/" rel="nofollow">Clay Shirky</a>.  He articulated the idea in his <a  href="http://www.edge.org/q2006/q06_2.html#top" rel="nofollow">original piece</a>, and then took up the mantle on the show. Plus he&#8217;s a fantastic talker. Had we not had Clay Shirky (and Jim Leff and Megan McArdle) this show would have been impossible.</p>
<p>So for this pitch and others like it, what you really need to give us is someone who takes up the mantle of &#8220;Google vs. Wonder&#8221; and can sell that idea on the air like their life depended on it. If you can do that, I think it could make a really interesting show. (If you think that person is <i>you</i>, well, it wouldn&#8217;t be the first time we put a commentor on the air as a guest, but you&#8217;d really have to &#8220;sing it,&#8221; as we say around here.) Otherwise, this is an essay I would love to read on your blog at some point when it&#8217;s fully articulated. Make sense?</p>
<p>(Oh, and finally, as, uh, pressing as <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/pitch-a-show-november-2006/#comment-38763" rel="nofollow">this problem</a> is, stu ervin, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right for our show. Maybe you should take this up with your neighborhood association.)</p>
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		<title>By: memphis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your pitch patsyb!  While I am reading all of the above relevant and wonderful ideas, I also like the idea of something a bit more lighthearted.....</description>
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