Comments on: Race and Class: Hip-Hop http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:27:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mind-NOX » Blog Archive » Race and Class: Hip-Hop http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67132 Mind-NOX » Blog Archive » Race and Class: Hip-Hop Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:09:50 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67132 [...] s not just music. It’s a culture, an ethos, and a generation. Race and Class: Hip-Hop: [Scheduled forAired Monday, December 12] Click to Listen to th [...] [...] s not just music. It’s a culture, an ethos, and a generation. Race and Class: Hip-Hop: [Scheduled forAired Monday, December 12] Click to Listen to th [...]

]]> By: nettrice http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67131 nettrice Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:49:14 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67131 To A Little Yellow Bird: I have not heard of Roots Manuva but I liked what I just heard on the website. I am excited by the people who explore the possibilities (in rap and hip hop), not the cookie-cutter stuff put out there by the mainstream media outlets. Thanks for the heads up about Roots Manuva. Nettrice To A Little Yellow Bird:

I have not heard of Roots Manuva but I liked what I just heard on the website. I am excited by the people who explore the possibilities (in rap and hip hop), not the cookie-cutter stuff put out there by the mainstream media outlets. Thanks for the heads up about Roots Manuva.

Nettrice

]]> By: QDerf http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67130 QDerf Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:56:41 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67130 I think a very interesting idea for a show was brought up during this episode, what's up with the incredible increase in prison population over the last few decades? Of course it's not related to hip hop per se, but I'm pretty sure it's a topic that could make for an interesting discussion as a Race & Class in America episode... Just a thought! Peace, Frédéric. I think a very interesting idea for a show was brought up during this episode, what’s up with the incredible increase in prison population over the last few decades? Of course it’s not related to hip hop per se, but I’m pretty sure it’s a topic that could make for an interesting discussion as a Race & Class in America episode…

Just a thought! Peace, Frédéric.

]]> By: metolius8 http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67129 metolius8 Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:21:30 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67129 Thanks, Chris. This article, 'viewed' as a podcast, opened my eyes wider to H/H. I have to admit that accepting what I hear as 'a cultural thing...you just don't undertand'...wasn't making me feel any better. I ain't there yet, but this helped. And thanks too for the gift of radioopensource. I stumbled on it quite by accident and I don't think I have found anything on the web I like better. Mark Thanks, Chris. This article, ‘viewed’ as a podcast, opened my eyes wider to H/H. I have to admit that accepting what I hear as ‘a cultural thing…you just don’t undertand’…wasn’t making me feel any better. I ain’t there yet, but this helped.

And thanks too for the gift of radioopensource. I stumbled on it quite by accident and I don’t think I have found anything on the web I like better.

Mark

]]> By: A little yellow bird http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67128 A little yellow bird Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:42:32 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67128 Nettrice: I have wanted to write that I think the genre is really bad off these days, but I couldn't figure how to say it. You made the distinction that explains it: its basis as unfettered art has been largely left by the wayside as the big guys have found a way to extract a fortune from making a crap version of it, just as with disco in the the seventies. How do you like Roots Manuva, if at all? Nettrice: I have wanted to write that I think the genre is really bad off these days, but I couldn’t figure how to say it. You made the distinction that explains it: its basis as unfettered art has been largely left by the wayside as the big guys have found a way to extract a fortune from making a crap version of it, just as with disco in the the seventies. How do you like Roots Manuva, if at all?

]]> By: nettrice http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67127 nettrice Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:00:23 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67127 There are some who would say that hip hop is at an all time low. I disagree. Commercial rap is at an all time low. Hip hop is global. I had to leave the United States to learn this. I stopped listening to commercial radio in the late 90s. I started listening to rap music coming from Brazil, France, and Sri Lanka. Hip hop ain't even rap music. Rap is a part of hip hop and I am as much into grafitti and beats as I am rap. I may be indifferent about 50 Cent or the Ying Yang Twins but I feel excited by the energy in the rhymes coming from folks elsewhere. It's like they've picked up the torch. IMHO the current situation proves a challenge to Black Americans, not just with rap but the whole skill set: creation, production, and distribution. We need to become more aware of the world. Malcolm X changed his mindset when he left the country...we need to leave the confines of commercial media to see and hear the work of non-mainstream rappers and other hip hop artists who are keeping the culture alive. There are some who would say that hip hop is at an all time low. I disagree. Commercial rap is at an all time low. Hip hop is global. I had to leave the United States to learn this. I stopped listening to commercial radio in the late 90s. I started listening to rap music coming from Brazil, France, and Sri Lanka. Hip hop ain’t even rap music. Rap is a part of hip hop and I am as much into grafitti and beats as I am rap.

I may be indifferent about 50 Cent or the Ying Yang Twins but I feel excited by the energy in the rhymes coming from folks elsewhere. It’s like they’ve picked up the torch.

IMHO the current situation proves a challenge to Black Americans, not just with rap but the whole skill set: creation, production, and distribution. We need to become more aware of the world. Malcolm X changed his mindset when he left the country…we need to leave the confines of commercial media to see and hear the work of non-mainstream rappers and other hip hop artists who are keeping the culture alive.

]]> By: mas http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67126 mas Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:41:07 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67126 Lets talk about the music. There is great music in this genre, but one has to dig to find it. The best miners that I have seen are my kids. They are always showing me new "music" that is really great. Most of it underground, some of it makes it to the top. They are passionalte about this music and the fact that the good stuff is not played, that they are toying with starting a pirate station to educate the public. Lets talk about the music. There is great music in this genre, but one has to dig to find it. The best miners that I have seen are my kids. They are always showing me new “music” that is really great. Most of it underground, some of it makes it to the top. They are passionalte about this music and the fact that the good stuff is not played, that they are toying with starting a pirate station to educate the public.

]]> By: JonGarfunkel http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67125 JonGarfunkel Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:20:27 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67125 re: Sinatra. Someone compared Puff Daddy to him: not a thug, but an inspiraton of thuggery of others... re: Sinatra. Someone compared Puff Daddy to him: not a thug, but an inspiraton of thuggery of others…

]]> By: JonGarfunkel http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67124 JonGarfunkel Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:19:27 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67124 A question for the show-- as to rap as as a political force... My sense is that it sorta peaked in the U.S. in the early 90's as a political force with Public Enemy and Ice Cube on the scene. But Ice Cube (and others) went into acting; Public Enemy self-destructed by tossing faint anti-Semitism at their record execs. The public awareness rap slipped into the derivative music celebrating the high life of gangstas, guns, girls. That's my sense. Not having been in high school for ten years, I'm already an old fogey. (Chris is bringing this up this very second...) The New Yorker article on Iran a few years ago noted how the themes of hip-hop *really* connect to the young people there (tomorrow's show...) Another point-- who's the heir to Duke Ellington? Duke never composed "fight the power" anthems, but he set the table for the civil rights movement. He was welcomed into the Nixon White House. Too many rap acts don't have the stamina, the pragmatism, or even the high art to do that today. The only musician one can think who can do that is Bono. Something to think about... A question for the show– as to rap as as a political force…

My sense is that it sorta peaked in the U.S. in the early 90′s as a political force with Public Enemy and Ice Cube on the scene. But Ice Cube (and others) went into acting; Public Enemy self-destructed by tossing faint anti-Semitism at their record execs. The public awareness rap slipped into the derivative music celebrating the high life of gangstas, guns, girls. That’s my sense. Not having been in high school for ten years, I’m already an old fogey. (Chris is bringing this up this very second…)

The New Yorker article on Iran a few years ago noted how the themes of hip-hop *really* connect to the young people there (tomorrow’s show…)

Another point– who’s the heir to Duke Ellington? Duke never composed “fight the power” anthems, but he set the table for the civil rights movement. He was welcomed into the Nixon White House. Too many rap acts don’t have the stamina, the pragmatism, or even the high art to do that today. The only musician one can think who can do that is Bono. Something to think about…

]]> By: nick http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class-hip-hop/#comment-67123 nick Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:05:44 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=345#comment-67123 Listen to MF Doom for a amazing new twist of hiphop. Listen to MF Doom for a amazing new twist of hiphop.

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