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		<title>By: Poker &#187; in the &#34;Race and Class&#34; thread, Poker Â» in the &#34;Race and Class&#34;&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poker &#187; in the &#34;Race and Class&#34; thread, Poker Â» in the &#34;Race and Class&#34;&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 10:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Poker &#187; in the &#34;Race and Class&#34; thread, Poker Â» in the &#34;Race and Class&#34;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poker &#187; in the &#34;Race and Class&#34; thread, Poker Â» in the &#34;Race and Class&#34;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 10:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Poker &#187; in the &#34;Race and Class&#34; thread, world tour poker writes:</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poker &#187; in the &#34;Race and Class&#34; thread, world tour poker writes:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 08:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-20560</link>
		<dc:creator>rc21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or we could stop letting illegal aliens come into the country. They take these jobs for low wages. If companies did not have such a cheap source of labor,they might raise the wages of these jobs,making them a bit more desirable for the American worker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or we could stop letting illegal aliens come into the country. They take these jobs for low wages. If companies did not have such a cheap source of labor,they might raise the wages of these jobs,making them a bit more desirable for the American worker.</p>
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		<title>By: jdslavin</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-20419</link>
		<dc:creator>jdslavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I start with the disclaimer that I only caught bits and pieces of this program.  What I did hear, however, seemed to miss some fundamental points on the nature of our economy. So often in such discussions the focus is on things that individuals can do to &quot;get ahead&quot; or &quot;raise themselves out of poverty&quot;, etc.  I think this misses that fact that our economy is structured in such a way that we depend on having people filling those low wage jobs. If one person gets ahead, someone else will need to work that dead-end job.  What if everyone had at least a master&#039;s degree?  Then we&#039;d have people with master&#039;s degrees flipping hamburgers and picking up trash.  The question to me is how to redistribute wealth and power in our society so that the worst jobs are not so bad.  As a consequence probably the coporate execs would have to give up some of their fabulous wealth.  Of course such proposals are typically labelled class warfare in the U.S....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I start with the disclaimer that I only caught bits and pieces of this program.  What I did hear, however, seemed to miss some fundamental points on the nature of our economy. So often in such discussions the focus is on things that individuals can do to &#8220;get ahead&#8221; or &#8220;raise themselves out of poverty&#8221;, etc.  I think this misses that fact that our economy is structured in such a way that we depend on having people filling those low wage jobs. If one person gets ahead, someone else will need to work that dead-end job.  What if everyone had at least a master&#8217;s degree?  Then we&#8217;d have people with master&#8217;s degrees flipping hamburgers and picking up trash.  The question to me is how to redistribute wealth and power in our society so that the worst jobs are not so bad.  As a consequence probably the coporate execs would have to give up some of their fabulous wealth.  Of course such proposals are typically labelled class warfare in the U.S&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-19991</link>
		<dc:creator>rc21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Georgia bill is on appeal now. If the state will deliver free ID&#039;s to each GA resident than I think it is a great idea. Why should anyone object,unless it is their desire to see voter fraud continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Georgia bill is on appeal now. If the state will deliver free ID&#8217;s to each GA resident than I think it is a great idea. Why should anyone object,unless it is their desire to see voter fraud continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Schumolberry</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-17682</link>
		<dc:creator>Schumolberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until about mid week a rundown of the NOW show I mentioned in the post before last can be found at http://www.pbs.org/now/

For podcasts see &quot;NOW on Demand&quot; bottom right; or for gen info on this show in the future use the search...for: &quot;Election insight 2006&quot;

This show&#039;s transcripts (9/1) should be up around Thur
http://www.pbs.org/now/thisweek/archive.html

GA Representative Alisha Thomas Morgan (D - Atlanta) [Cobb County]
spoke very insightfully on this show...and very directly to the vote disenfranchisement issue. I&#039;m going to check to see if her radio talk show will stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until about mid week a rundown of the NOW show I mentioned in the post before last can be found at <a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/now/</a></p>
<p>For podcasts see &#8220;NOW on Demand&#8221; bottom right; or for gen info on this show in the future use the search&#8230;for: &#8220;Election insight 2006&#8243;</p>
<p>This show&#8217;s transcripts (9/1) should be up around Thur<br />
<a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/thisweek/archive.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/now/thisweek/archive.html</a></p>
<p>GA Representative Alisha Thomas Morgan (D &#8211; Atlanta) [Cobb County]<br />
spoke very insightfully on this show&#8230;and very directly to the vote disenfranchisement issue. I&#8217;m going to check to see if her radio talk show will stream.</p>
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		<title>By: Schumolberry</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-17680</link>
		<dc:creator>Schumolberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair to NOW they &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; let Senator Stanton speak his rationale for the photo ID requirement law. Ostensibly according to his account of course he was not supporting restriction of access to voting. 

I am not convinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to NOW they <i>did</i> let Senator Stanton speak his rationale for the photo ID requirement law. Ostensibly according to his account of course he was not supporting restriction of access to voting. </p>
<p>I am not convinced.</p>
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		<title>By: Schumolberry</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-17679</link>
		<dc:creator>Schumolberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But letâ€™s suppose the poor somehow rally around some cause celebre and start marching in the streets. Is this country even capable of listening any more? Will we be marching with them or aiming our water cannons at them?&quot;

Since the last post up there ATC had two pastors on on one show, one from Atlanta one from Philly I think. IIRC it was the pastor from Philly who had crashed the NT all around the lamppost. Maybe there&#039;ll be a reaction against the &quot;abundant life&quot; rs who try to justify cheap resource extraction for &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt; and low, low wages for &lt;i&gt;them.&lt;/i&gt; It&#039;s a long road but they do continue to go with the program.

The other cause might be a reaction against scapegoating. The world seems full of it. Do I remember this correctly--does the Iranian prez deny the holocaust?

Also, as portrayed by NOW last night you have these guys like GA&#039;s Senator Staton who have IMO come out with the weirdest justifications for obstacles to voting one can imagine. Perhaps there&#039;ll be a reaction against this. In the long run, when you take away the vote...you&#039;re subtracting attributes from a class you want to scapegoat.

Or there might be reaction against meritocracy. 

Or maybe we&#039;ll all learn how to patiently talk sense to the abundant lifers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But letâ€™s suppose the poor somehow rally around some cause celebre and start marching in the streets. Is this country even capable of listening any more? Will we be marching with them or aiming our water cannons at them?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the last post up there ATC had two pastors on on one show, one from Atlanta one from Philly I think. IIRC it was the pastor from Philly who had crashed the NT all around the lamppost. Maybe there&#8217;ll be a reaction against the &#8220;abundant life&#8221; rs who try to justify cheap resource extraction for <i>us</i> and low, low wages for <i>them.</i> It&#8217;s a long road but they do continue to go with the program.</p>
<p>The other cause might be a reaction against scapegoating. The world seems full of it. Do I remember this correctly&#8211;does the Iranian prez deny the holocaust?</p>
<p>Also, as portrayed by NOW last night you have these guys like GA&#8217;s Senator Staton who have IMO come out with the weirdest justifications for obstacles to voting one can imagine. Perhaps there&#8217;ll be a reaction against this. In the long run, when you take away the vote&#8230;you&#8217;re subtracting attributes from a class you want to scapegoat.</p>
<p>Or there might be reaction against meritocracy. </p>
<p>Or maybe we&#8217;ll all learn how to patiently talk sense to the abundant lifers.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had the chance to look back over the archives but I assume you guys know about local orgs like United for a Fair Economy, etc., doing lots of excellent work on these issues. I used to work in this field, if you don&#039;t feel uber-connected already I&#039;m happy to list some folks who&#039;d be good to talk to. Also, my old advisor at Brandeis, Prof. Gordie Fellman, has a great take on class and its larger context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t had the chance to look back over the archives but I assume you guys know about local orgs like United for a Fair Economy, etc., doing lots of excellent work on these issues. I used to work in this field, if you don&#8217;t feel uber-connected already I&#8217;m happy to list some folks who&#8217;d be good to talk to. Also, my old advisor at Brandeis, Prof. Gordie Fellman, has a great take on class and its larger context.</p>
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		<title>By: loki</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-2360</link>
		<dc:creator>loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think you ought to talk with jason Berry. What does New Orleans Jazz festivals tell us about race andculture.</description>
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		<title>By: plaintext</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-1977</link>
		<dc:creator>plaintext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes bigE!  The only thing the poor have going for them (of any race) is their numbers.  Let&#039;s face it they have absolutely no political clout as it stands now.  The poor can be identified as: christians, muslims, asians, blacks, hispanics, immigrants, elderly, unionists, non-unionists, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro-flag, don&#039;t-give-a-damn-about-flag, pro-pledge, pledge-wha?, military, pacifist, activist, drug users, anti-drug, gamblers, anti-gambling, drinkers, tea-totalers, pro-law&amp;order, pro-rights, want-more-cable-channels, can&#039;t-afford-cable, etc.  

About the only thing they all have in common is disenfranchisement and that&#039;s never been a sufficient a moral base for a revolution in the past.

But let&#039;s suppose the poor somehow rally around some cause celebre and start marching in the streets.  Is this country even capable of listening any more?  Will we be marching with them or aiming our water cannons at them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes bigE!  The only thing the poor have going for them (of any race) is their numbers.  Let&#8217;s face it they have absolutely no political clout as it stands now.  The poor can be identified as: christians, muslims, asians, blacks, hispanics, immigrants, elderly, unionists, non-unionists, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro-flag, don&#8217;t-give-a-damn-about-flag, pro-pledge, pledge-wha?, military, pacifist, activist, drug users, anti-drug, gamblers, anti-gambling, drinkers, tea-totalers, pro-law&amp;order, pro-rights, want-more-cable-channels, can&#8217;t-afford-cable, etc.  </p>
<p>About the only thing they all have in common is disenfranchisement and that&#8217;s never been a sufficient a moral base for a revolution in the past.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s suppose the poor somehow rally around some cause celebre and start marching in the streets.  Is this country even capable of listening any more?  Will we be marching with them or aiming our water cannons at them?</p>
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		<title>By: bigE</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-1964</link>
		<dc:creator>bigE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened the other night - they wanted to take my call, but ran out of time.  I found the comments by &quot;Mike&quot; - the Cape Cod former foster child appalling - the myth of the black welfare generational slacker just doesn&#039;t seem to die!  My thoughts on the program, and the issues: Having grown up in a project in Boston (mixed but notorious project; I&#039;m white by the way) during the Great Society years, it seems to me that we have broken the social contract with the nation&#039;s poor - black and white.  What I see is that the poor are indeed much poorer than I was, with significantly fewer resources available for good health, education and models and means to exit from poverty.  
I agree that the culture in which we can all have cell phones, color tvs and leased vehicles makes it harder for the poor to identify with/ solidify behind the class issues and social policies that are designed to keep them poor.  I find it extremely frustrating that the poor do not VOTE their pocketbooks  - large sectors of our population don&#039;t vote at all, and many blacks feel that there&#039;s nothing in the political system for them.  For poor whites, the rich elite right (almost all white) has seemingly successfully seduced the white poor into voting - over and over again - for policies and politicians who have no interest in bettering their lives.  
So, as we discuss race - and, I hope class, over the coming weeks, I&#039;d like to know what thoughts panelists have on how we motivate people to vote - first AT ALL - and then, to vote their real economic interests - because we all know that more tax cuts for the rich are not benefitting the poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened the other night &#8211; they wanted to take my call, but ran out of time.  I found the comments by &#8220;Mike&#8221; &#8211; the Cape Cod former foster child appalling &#8211; the myth of the black welfare generational slacker just doesn&#8217;t seem to die!  My thoughts on the program, and the issues: Having grown up in a project in Boston (mixed but notorious project; I&#8217;m white by the way) during the Great Society years, it seems to me that we have broken the social contract with the nation&#8217;s poor &#8211; black and white.  What I see is that the poor are indeed much poorer than I was, with significantly fewer resources available for good health, education and models and means to exit from poverty.<br />
I agree that the culture in which we can all have cell phones, color tvs and leased vehicles makes it harder for the poor to identify with/ solidify behind the class issues and social policies that are designed to keep them poor.  I find it extremely frustrating that the poor do not VOTE their pocketbooks  &#8211; large sectors of our population don&#8217;t vote at all, and many blacks feel that there&#8217;s nothing in the political system for them.  For poor whites, the rich elite right (almost all white) has seemingly successfully seduced the white poor into voting &#8211; over and over again &#8211; for policies and politicians who have no interest in bettering their lives.<br />
So, as we discuss race &#8211; and, I hope class, over the coming weeks, I&#8217;d like to know what thoughts panelists have on how we motivate people to vote &#8211; first AT ALL &#8211; and then, to vote their real economic interests &#8211; because we all know that more tax cuts for the rich are not benefitting the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: mr.smiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr.smiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to this show and actually became a little frustrated. I must admit that I will not pretend to fully understand what black people go through. I grew up in a 100% white Minnesota town. As I grew up and lived in big cities I worked with and hired many people who happened to be black. There was a group that worked hard and a group that didn&#039;t. The color of their skin didn&#039;t matter. I didn&#039;t think of anyone as black or white, just who was there to get the most done and who wanted to get it done.

Over the last 10 years, I hear the same problems coming from the black community. Over and over again. Nothing changes. The same message. I never see a real unity in the community, willing to include those around them who support the cause, whatever the color of their skin. I see the spokesmen/person of the community Louis Farrakhan who, every one knows, hates white people. I see Jesse Jackson who counsels presidents on their extra love life who is doing the same thing himself. Then I see Barak Obama who seems to be a great man, leader and potential presidential candidate.

On the show I heard someone on the panel say that blacks need to dump the democratic party. I think that is exactly the comments that work in reverse, now you are alienating a group of people who do care. (I am not saying the leadership of that party acts the way the party members wish them.) The black community should be doing the exact oposite. The black community needs to change their leadership and strengthen their leadership role in a party with people that actually care and give them some opportunity. 

I am a liberal and I care and I want the party to be inclusive to all and I want the country to be united and I want equal right to all regardless of race and I want this country to be safer. Don&#039;t we want the same thing?

If a company hired a CEO and he/she increased profits by 1% over 20 years, she would be fired. It is time you fire your leadership. Look at how &#039;W&#039; destroyed the unity in this country. That was the only way he could push through his agenda. I am not suggesting we lie to the country, we unite as a party instead of being so incredibly divided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to this show and actually became a little frustrated. I must admit that I will not pretend to fully understand what black people go through. I grew up in a 100% white Minnesota town. As I grew up and lived in big cities I worked with and hired many people who happened to be black. There was a group that worked hard and a group that didn&#8217;t. The color of their skin didn&#8217;t matter. I didn&#8217;t think of anyone as black or white, just who was there to get the most done and who wanted to get it done.</p>
<p>Over the last 10 years, I hear the same problems coming from the black community. Over and over again. Nothing changes. The same message. I never see a real unity in the community, willing to include those around them who support the cause, whatever the color of their skin. I see the spokesmen/person of the community Louis Farrakhan who, every one knows, hates white people. I see Jesse Jackson who counsels presidents on their extra love life who is doing the same thing himself. Then I see Barak Obama who seems to be a great man, leader and potential presidential candidate.</p>
<p>On the show I heard someone on the panel say that blacks need to dump the democratic party. I think that is exactly the comments that work in reverse, now you are alienating a group of people who do care. (I am not saying the leadership of that party acts the way the party members wish them.) The black community should be doing the exact oposite. The black community needs to change their leadership and strengthen their leadership role in a party with people that actually care and give them some opportunity. </p>
<p>I am a liberal and I care and I want the party to be inclusive to all and I want the country to be united and I want equal right to all regardless of race and I want this country to be safer. Don&#8217;t we want the same thing?</p>
<p>If a company hired a CEO and he/she increased profits by 1% over 20 years, she would be fired. It is time you fire your leadership. Look at how &#8216;W&#8217; destroyed the unity in this country. That was the only way he could push through his agenda. I am not suggesting we lie to the country, we unite as a party instead of being so incredibly divided.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on my experience I think we need to frame the issue of our Humanity, our common need for sustenance and nurture. we need to learn to live together on this fragile earth our island home, and every time we frame the issue in terms of race or class we affirm discrimination. 

I we frame it in terms of our humanity, warts clay feet and all, we would be better off. Forty years ago this past summer I came home from working in Georgia with SCLC. I was clobbered by the Klan on the court house steps, arrested on a capital charge for inciting the incident, and had to replace the transmission of my car on the side of the highway on the way home because the mechanic who serviced my car drained the oil from it. 

I am as appalled by the recent passage of Georgia House Bill 244, as I was when I view the events of March 7, 1965, two months before I would be able to voteâ€”that led me to volunteer.

When I finally got home to San Diego, I was taken to meet with a group of business men who were going to buy and integrate an apartment building. The proposal was to call it the Bi-Ray. I saw that as focusing on divisions even though the purpose was to bring them together. I suggested Multi-Ray, Poly-Ray, better yet No-Rayâ€”except Hope. No luck.

Differences are what we all have in common and respect for them all can bind us together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my experience I think we need to frame the issue of our Humanity, our common need for sustenance and nurture. we need to learn to live together on this fragile earth our island home, and every time we frame the issue in terms of race or class we affirm discrimination. </p>
<p>I we frame it in terms of our humanity, warts clay feet and all, we would be better off. Forty years ago this past summer I came home from working in Georgia with SCLC. I was clobbered by the Klan on the court house steps, arrested on a capital charge for inciting the incident, and had to replace the transmission of my car on the side of the highway on the way home because the mechanic who serviced my car drained the oil from it. </p>
<p>I am as appalled by the recent passage of Georgia House Bill 244, as I was when I view the events of March 7, 1965, two months before I would be able to voteâ€”that led me to volunteer.</p>
<p>When I finally got home to San Diego, I was taken to meet with a group of business men who were going to buy and integrate an apartment building. The proposal was to call it the Bi-Ray. I saw that as focusing on divisions even though the purpose was to bring them together. I suggested Multi-Ray, Poly-Ray, better yet No-Rayâ€”except Hope. No luck.</p>
<p>Differences are what we all have in common and respect for them all can bind us together.</p>
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		<title>By: DebbieR</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-1952</link>
		<dc:creator>DebbieR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was only able to listen to the first 20 minutes of the show last night, but the arguments sounded very old to me.  Can we stop &quot;rethinking&quot; race and poverty and start making concrete suggestions for what to do?  

I am an (upper) middle class white person with a lifestyle that allows me to take at least one vacation a year, live in a nice 3 bedroom home in a good but pricey neighborhood with good schools, and the luxury of not having to worry about unexpected expenses like car repairs wrecking my budget.  It is a nice life, not unduly extravagant by American standards.   There are plenty of things I still want, like new furniture, a cleaning person to come once a week, so I can spend less of my weekend cleaning, new plants for my yard, tickets for shows and perfomances that I don&#039;t budget money for just yet.  So what do I need to do to address the issues of race/poverty?  

How about having people on the show who have suggestions for what to do?  Like Geoffrey Canada.  

You want to make the case for reparations?  Great.  How much does it cost and how does it work?

Lastly, I grew up in New York City, and anyone who wants to talk about race and class issues without acknowledging the self defeating actions and bad choices that are made every day by poor people - such as having children at a young age that they are unable to support financially or emotionally - is not of interest to me at all.  Bill Cosby is 100% right.  .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was only able to listen to the first 20 minutes of the show last night, but the arguments sounded very old to me.  Can we stop &#8220;rethinking&#8221; race and poverty and start making concrete suggestions for what to do?  </p>
<p>I am an (upper) middle class white person with a lifestyle that allows me to take at least one vacation a year, live in a nice 3 bedroom home in a good but pricey neighborhood with good schools, and the luxury of not having to worry about unexpected expenses like car repairs wrecking my budget.  It is a nice life, not unduly extravagant by American standards.   There are plenty of things I still want, like new furniture, a cleaning person to come once a week, so I can spend less of my weekend cleaning, new plants for my yard, tickets for shows and perfomances that I don&#8217;t budget money for just yet.  So what do I need to do to address the issues of race/poverty?  </p>
<p>How about having people on the show who have suggestions for what to do?  Like Geoffrey Canada.  </p>
<p>You want to make the case for reparations?  Great.  How much does it cost and how does it work?</p>
<p>Lastly, I grew up in New York City, and anyone who wants to talk about race and class issues without acknowledging the self defeating actions and bad choices that are made every day by poor people &#8211; such as having children at a young age that they are unable to support financially or emotionally &#8211; is not of interest to me at all.  Bill Cosby is 100% right.  .</p>
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		<title>By: plaintext</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-1951</link>
		<dc:creator>plaintext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently John Edwards former Dem. Pres. Candidate has a new gig: Director of UNC Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity: http://www.law.unc.edu/Centers/details.aspx?ID=425&amp;Q=3

Possible guest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently John Edwards former Dem. Pres. Candidate has a new gig: Director of UNC Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity: <a href="http://www.law.unc.edu/Centers/details.aspx?ID=425&amp;Q=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.unc.edu/Centers/details.aspx?ID=425&amp;Q=3</a></p>
<p>Possible guest?</p>
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		<title>By: corryfitz</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-1940</link>
		<dc:creator>corryfitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you come very close to the problem this country faces in your paragraph that states: 

&quot;With no acceptable way to voice their resentment, and blocked from identifying with their own class interest (problem 2) they are easily exploited politically by the interest of the wealthy in reducing taxes and other restraints and regulations on capital. As a result, the political will for government solutions, and the means for funding them, are further eroded, and the cycle stays vicious.&quot; 

As a normal white American male I feel completely unattached from what we could call our political bourgeoisie. Right, left it makes no matter the middle class has become a pawn in the prize fight for the lucrative treasures that await our various echelons of government. As I spend 40-60 hours a week working my tail off to put food on my table, pay my rent, try to save money for a home I become more guilty of the apathy that strangles our country. How do I balance trying to do the things I need to do to eat, and fight the scourge of that is called our representatives in government?

Capitalism alone is an obvious failure, it creates such waste, and is so destructive to both humanity and mother earth that we must look to reformulate our mission as Americans, as humans. We must look for ways to lift everyone up in order to make our country and world an acceptable place to live. 

Down deep though I do not believe we are so deviant as to be systematically racially motivated, I believe it boils down to a more selfish, and survivalistic mode that does not lend itself to social activism. The goverment and its members have siezed upon that. Until we take that opportunity away we will continue to succumb to their folly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you come very close to the problem this country faces in your paragraph that states: </p>
<p>&#8220;With no acceptable way to voice their resentment, and blocked from identifying with their own class interest (problem 2) they are easily exploited politically by the interest of the wealthy in reducing taxes and other restraints and regulations on capital. As a result, the political will for government solutions, and the means for funding them, are further eroded, and the cycle stays vicious.&#8221; </p>
<p>As a normal white American male I feel completely unattached from what we could call our political bourgeoisie. Right, left it makes no matter the middle class has become a pawn in the prize fight for the lucrative treasures that await our various echelons of government. As I spend 40-60 hours a week working my tail off to put food on my table, pay my rent, try to save money for a home I become more guilty of the apathy that strangles our country. How do I balance trying to do the things I need to do to eat, and fight the scourge of that is called our representatives in government?</p>
<p>Capitalism alone is an obvious failure, it creates such waste, and is so destructive to both humanity and mother earth that we must look to reformulate our mission as Americans, as humans. We must look for ways to lift everyone up in order to make our country and world an acceptable place to live. </p>
<p>Down deep though I do not believe we are so deviant as to be systematically racially motivated, I believe it boils down to a more selfish, and survivalistic mode that does not lend itself to social activism. The goverment and its members have siezed upon that. Until we take that opportunity away we will continue to succumb to their folly.</p>
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		<title>By: LeonWynter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/race-and-class/comment-page-1/#comment-1932</link>
		<dc:creator>LeonWynter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hereâ€™s what I got off the top of my head about 30 minutes after accepting the gracious invitation to be on â€œOpen Sourceâ€?. I expect to clean it up and move it forward in the conversation.
â€”Leon

Rethinking race and poverty is rethinking two problems.

One is the disproportionate burden of poverty borne by blacks and Hispanics.
The other is our societyâ€™s inability to identify poverty, or even working class status, with whites. This inability is rooted in the false, socially constructed concept of black-white identity itself.

The traditional â€œGreat Societyâ€? solutions to the first problem have been discredited politically, philosophically and economically, to an extent, in critiques from the left as well as the right. Yet there remains a strong emotional investment in them, especially within African-America.

The issue of the the second problem has been suppressed in our national political discussion since shortly after the Depression. In recent times, attempts to revive it are slapped down with the charge of inciting â€˜class warfareâ€™.

In times of race â€˜crisisâ€™â€”like after riots or a disaster like Katrinaâ€”everyone, even conservatives of various stripes, is ready to throw sympathy, money and other resources at relieving the â€˜unjustâ€™ misery of poor black people. The exact nature and perpetrators of the injustice are mercifully unspecified. Why? because it is much easier to apply a very visible band-aid when the symptoms of the â€˜black problemâ€™ flare up than to be ruthless about finding itâ€™s cause and curing it.

Of course, the very visibility of the band aid that makes well-meaning, better off whites feel good about themselves breeds resentment among the less better off white majority, who are also increasingly socially and culturally insecure. With no acceptable way to voice their resentment, and blocked from identifying with their own class interest (problem 2) they are easily exploited politically by the interest of the wealthy in reducing taxes and other restraints and regulations on capital. As a result, the political will for government solutions, and the means for funding them, are further eroded, and the cycle stays vicious.

Rethinking race and poverty must be about breaking the cycle in the paragraph above at the point most vulnerable to attack. Iâ€™m not sure where it is, but itâ€™s somewhere along this perimeter.

Ok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hereâ€™s what I got off the top of my head about 30 minutes after accepting the gracious invitation to be on â€œOpen Sourceâ€?. I expect to clean it up and move it forward in the conversation.<br />
â€”Leon</p>
<p>Rethinking race and poverty is rethinking two problems.</p>
<p>One is the disproportionate burden of poverty borne by blacks and Hispanics.<br />
The other is our societyâ€™s inability to identify poverty, or even working class status, with whites. This inability is rooted in the false, socially constructed concept of black-white identity itself.</p>
<p>The traditional â€œGreat Societyâ€? solutions to the first problem have been discredited politically, philosophically and economically, to an extent, in critiques from the left as well as the right. Yet there remains a strong emotional investment in them, especially within African-America.</p>
<p>The issue of the the second problem has been suppressed in our national political discussion since shortly after the Depression. In recent times, attempts to revive it are slapped down with the charge of inciting â€˜class warfareâ€™.</p>
<p>In times of race â€˜crisisâ€™â€”like after riots or a disaster like Katrinaâ€”everyone, even conservatives of various stripes, is ready to throw sympathy, money and other resources at relieving the â€˜unjustâ€™ misery of poor black people. The exact nature and perpetrators of the injustice are mercifully unspecified. Why? because it is much easier to apply a very visible band-aid when the symptoms of the â€˜black problemâ€™ flare up than to be ruthless about finding itâ€™s cause and curing it.</p>
<p>Of course, the very visibility of the band aid that makes well-meaning, better off whites feel good about themselves breeds resentment among the less better off white majority, who are also increasingly socially and culturally insecure. With no acceptable way to voice their resentment, and blocked from identifying with their own class interest (problem 2) they are easily exploited politically by the interest of the wealthy in reducing taxes and other restraints and regulations on capital. As a result, the political will for government solutions, and the means for funding them, are further eroded, and the cycle stays vicious.</p>
<p>Rethinking race and poverty must be about breaking the cycle in the paragraph above at the point most vulnerable to attack. Iâ€™m not sure where it is, but itâ€™s somewhere along this perimeter.</p>
<p>Ok</p>
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