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	<description>Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics</description>
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		<title>By: 100 Ivy League Computer Science Courses You Can Take for Free Online &#124; Web Online Law Degree</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70204</link>
		<dc:creator>100 Ivy League Computer Science Courses You Can Take for Free Online &#124; Web Online Law Degree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reality Bites: Discover how our society responds to and depends on robots and virtual reality. [Brown] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 100 Ivy League Computer Science Courses You Can Take for Free Online &#124; Online Degree Hub</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70203</link>
		<dc:creator>100 Ivy League Computer Science Courses You Can Take for Free Online &#124; Online Degree Hub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reality Bites: Discover how our society responds to and depends on robots and virtual reality. [Brown] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reality Bites: Discover how our society responds to and depends on robots and virtual reality. [Brown] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Disparate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Optimism, Changing Times</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70202</link>
		<dc:creator>Disparate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Optimism, Changing Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hile listening to my favorite podcast to criticize, &quot;Radio Open Source,&quot; with an episode about robots and the redefinition of what it means to be human. Fairly interesting in and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hile listening to my favorite podcast to criticize, &quot;Radio Open Source,&quot; with an episode about robots and the redefinition of what it means to be human. Fairly interesting in and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fingal</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70201</link>
		<dc:creator>Fingal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How strange to hear those disembodied, disoriented voices issuing from Xanadu, living in no-place and chanting (eerily like T. H. White&#039;s ants) &quot;we are only here for the money.&quot; If this is the model for a Type 1 industrial-scale artificial environment, interstellar travel is going to suck. I am reminded of Cabrini Green and the banlieux; normal science meets bad social science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How strange to hear those disembodied, disoriented voices issuing from Xanadu, living in no-place and chanting (eerily like T. H. White&#8217;s ants) &#8220;we are only here for the money.&#8221; If this is the model for a Type 1 industrial-scale artificial environment, interstellar travel is going to suck. I am reminded of Cabrini Green and the banlieux; normal science meets bad social science.</p>
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		<title>By: alokemon</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70200</link>
		<dc:creator>alokemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just caught up with this show.  I&#039;m with cheesechowmain, this was a fantastic show.



Lately I&#039;ve been having a bit of an existential crisis.  It all started when I was petting my cat.  My cat is fairly fat and very lazy.  She&#039;s also pretty old.  That is, she doesn&#039;t do much of anything, and she won&#039;t be able to not do anything for very much longer.   Yet we have a legitimate relationship.  I pet her, she looks cute and arches her neck; I feed her, she sheds all over my bed; I clean her poop, she lays on my feet when they are cold.  These relationships are not very reciprocal.  I take care of her, care for her, maintain her bodily waste, while all she does, essentially, is exist in a manner I happen to find to be adorable.  She doesn&#039;t do anything for me, yet I invest not only care and effort, but genuine emotion and affection for her.  Why do I care for her?  Soon she will die, and there&#039;s no way I will not be very very sad about this.  Why do I put up with this?  Should I care for her, even though, after she&#039;s gone, it won&#039;t have meant anything that I did?  Even though I can&#039;t come up with a sturdy justification for my actions, at the same time I know I won&#039;t stop giving her water when she hops into the bathroom sink.  Maybe it&#039;s because I know she has a finite life span, and that life span happens to be within mine, that I care for her.  Maybe that&#039;s what separates our actions and emotions towards &quot;authentic,&quot; sentient beings and man-made machines.  Maybe it does have to do with, as Professor Turkle (i think) asserted, death, and fear of death.  Now, each time I pet my cat on the underside of her pink belly, I will be confronting my own innate fear of death, of my family&#039;s eventual death, of my own, of how everything I take the time to love I will eventually unlove.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;d pet a robot because I know it isn&#039;t bound to a life cycle I can relate to, and I wouldn&#039;t confront any of my own basic fears in relating intimately with a robot.



I&#039;m not sure if this makes any sense in writing, but it is at least somewhat related in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just caught up with this show.  I&#8217;m with cheesechowmain, this was a fantastic show.</p>
<p>Lately I&#8217;ve been having a bit of an existential crisis.  It all started when I was petting my cat.  My cat is fairly fat and very lazy.  She&#8217;s also pretty old.  That is, she doesn&#8217;t do much of anything, and she won&#8217;t be able to not do anything for very much longer.   Yet we have a legitimate relationship.  I pet her, she looks cute and arches her neck; I feed her, she sheds all over my bed; I clean her poop, she lays on my feet when they are cold.  These relationships are not very reciprocal.  I take care of her, care for her, maintain her bodily waste, while all she does, essentially, is exist in a manner I happen to find to be adorable.  She doesn&#8217;t do anything for me, yet I invest not only care and effort, but genuine emotion and affection for her.  Why do I care for her?  Soon she will die, and there&#8217;s no way I will not be very very sad about this.  Why do I put up with this?  Should I care for her, even though, after she&#8217;s gone, it won&#8217;t have meant anything that I did?  Even though I can&#8217;t come up with a sturdy justification for my actions, at the same time I know I won&#8217;t stop giving her water when she hops into the bathroom sink.  Maybe it&#8217;s because I know she has a finite life span, and that life span happens to be within mine, that I care for her.  Maybe that&#8217;s what separates our actions and emotions towards &#8220;authentic,&#8221; sentient beings and man-made machines.  Maybe it does have to do with, as Professor Turkle (i think) asserted, death, and fear of death.  Now, each time I pet my cat on the underside of her pink belly, I will be confronting my own innate fear of death, of my family&#8217;s eventual death, of my own, of how everything I take the time to love I will eventually unlove.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d pet a robot because I know it isn&#8217;t bound to a life cycle I can relate to, and I wouldn&#8217;t confront any of my own basic fears in relating intimately with a robot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this makes any sense in writing, but it is at least somewhat related in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: cheesechowmain</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70199</link>
		<dc:creator>cheesechowmain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, great show. You folks should allow us to vote for the Top 10 ROS shows or something. Just for sh*ts-and-giggles. This show and the EHM would be at the top.



&quot;If consciousness is, in fact, an outgrowth of our relationships â€¦ then I donâ€™t see any barrier to robots developing a self awareness. And then what?&quot;



IMO, this is an extremely important idea that should not be missed. The problem however is we don&#039;t have anything resembling a quasi-rigorous understanding/description of consciousness; certainly no consensous. This statement contains an implied understanding of consciousness that relies upon something akin to emergence. We understand it by observing some of the properties that emerge from the system we call consciousness. A reasonable heuristic for both introspection and inter-spection. I would enjoy hearing some folks with some expertise on emergence, non-linear systems, evolutionary psychology, cognitive neuroscience, etc. The Santa Fe Institute has some very excellent folks with wide and deep cross-disciplinary research upon these types of matters. http://www.santafe.edu/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, great show. You folks should allow us to vote for the Top 10 ROS shows or something. Just for sh*ts-and-giggles. This show and the EHM would be at the top.</p>
<p>&#8220;If consciousness is, in fact, an outgrowth of our relationships â€¦ then I donâ€™t see any barrier to robots developing a self awareness. And then what?&#8221;</p>
<p>IMO, this is an extremely important idea that should not be missed. The problem however is we don&#8217;t have anything resembling a quasi-rigorous understanding/description of consciousness; certainly no consensous. This statement contains an implied understanding of consciousness that relies upon something akin to emergence. We understand it by observing some of the properties that emerge from the system we call consciousness. A reasonable heuristic for both introspection and inter-spection. I would enjoy hearing some folks with some expertise on emergence, non-linear systems, evolutionary psychology, cognitive neuroscience, etc. The Santa Fe Institute has some very excellent folks with wide and deep cross-disciplinary research upon these types of matters. <a  href="http://www.santafe.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.santafe.edu/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Dabrowski</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70198</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Dabrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know Plato was dubious of books, that&#039;s fascinating.  Harold Bloom thinks people become passionate readers when they discover the inadequacy of all human relationships.  If we are willing to grant books a pass, perhaps we could also warm to robots/computers by regarding them not as (direct!) substitutes for humans, but as intereactive art.  Would Sherry Turkle feel bad about people in nursing homes spending their afternoons reading Shakespeare or Dickens?  A book is a completely inert object that produces a kind of epi-consciousness when it is read.  Could not the same thing be said about a robot or computer program?  Except that the latter is less inert and it&#039;s consciousness is at least potentially less epi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know Plato was dubious of books, that&#8217;s fascinating.  Harold Bloom thinks people become passionate readers when they discover the inadequacy of all human relationships.  If we are willing to grant books a pass, perhaps we could also warm to robots/computers by regarding them not as (direct!) substitutes for humans, but as intereactive art.  Would Sherry Turkle feel bad about people in nursing homes spending their afternoons reading Shakespeare or Dickens?  A book is a completely inert object that produces a kind of epi-consciousness when it is read.  Could not the same thing be said about a robot or computer program?  Except that the latter is less inert and it&#8217;s consciousness is at least potentially less epi.</p>
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		<title>By: metolius8</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70197</link>
		<dc:creator>metolius8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robots are not about replacement...that&#039;s the by-product.  They are about human beings &#039;bodly going where no man has gone before&#039;.  Doesn&#039;t matter if there is a purpose.  We go there because we can.  Its why robots will be built;  why mankind will be cloned; why stem cells will be studied.  There is no stopping it.  We are drawn to exploration  like amoth to flame.  That&#039;s just the way it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robots are not about replacement&#8230;that&#8217;s the by-product.  They are about human beings &#8216;bodly going where no man has gone before&#8217;.  Doesn&#8217;t matter if there is a purpose.  We go there because we can.  Its why robots will be built;  why mankind will be cloned; why stem cells will be studied.  There is no stopping it.  We are drawn to exploration  like amoth to flame.  That&#8217;s just the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70196</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allision, it looks like I did miss-understand your point. Thanks for the clarification. And I completely agree that inert turtles would not be the right choice to capture the children&#039;s attention. Probably a robot turtle that did something goofy would work better. Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allision, it looks like I did miss-understand your point. Thanks for the clarification. And I completely agree that inert turtles would not be the right choice to capture the children&#8217;s attention. Probably a robot turtle that did something goofy would work better. Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: peggysue</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/reality-bytes-2/#comment-70195</link>
		<dc:creator>peggysue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Thanks for the door prize:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Thanks for the door prize:)</p>
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