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	<title>Comments on: Rory Stewart: &quot;nonsense&quot; policy in Afghanistan</title>
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		<title>By: Jeech</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/rory-stewart-nonsense-policy-in-afghanistan/#comment-115489</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The solution to Afghanistan problem only is to &quot;over industrialize&quot; it. You can start it from establishing home industries as quickly as possible. 

The philosophy is, If one doesn&#039;t have any thing he would certainly have no fear to lose. To create the sense of personal ownership individually in the Afghan society you cannot make them responsible to protect it. 

But what we have continiously exercising the same mistake by military solutions, we actually are keeping them busy in wars and only developing their warrior skills.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution to Afghanistan problem only is to &#8220;over industrialize&#8221; it. You can start it from establishing home industries as quickly as possible. </p>
<p>The philosophy is, If one doesn&#8217;t have any thing he would certainly have no fear to lose. To create the sense of personal ownership individually in the Afghan society you cannot make them responsible to protect it. </p>
<p>But what we have continiously exercising the same mistake by military solutions, we actually are keeping them busy in wars and only developing their warrior skills.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Sloane</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/rory-stewart-nonsense-policy-in-afghanistan/#comment-93269</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff Sloane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I hear about Afghanistan, the more I am drawn to a position that rather shocks me. What is wrong with letting the Karzai government fall to the Taliban?



The Taliban swept to power a year after first organizing its efforts. Why? Because the &quot;victors&quot; in the anti-Soviet campaign were viciously corrupt warlords.

The Taliban are resurgent, despite being clobbered by the US and etc. Why? In largest part, it is a replay of 1994; the Karzai government is dominated by viciously corrupt warlords, and many of them the same individuals.

Do they (Dostum, Farhim, Ismael Khan, etc) have no shame from their earlier defeat?

Can we not see that this is the binary choice facing the country? Despite billions in aid, this is where the country is irresistibly drawn, a choice between murderous kleptocracy and theocratic despotism.



I conclude by saying that, as bad as the Taliban are, they are preferable to Dostum, Farhim and their ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I hear about Afghanistan, the more I am drawn to a position that rather shocks me. What is wrong with letting the Karzai government fall to the Taliban?</p>
<p>The Taliban swept to power a year after first organizing its efforts. Why? Because the &#8220;victors&#8221; in the anti-Soviet campaign were viciously corrupt warlords.</p>
<p>The Taliban are resurgent, despite being clobbered by the US and etc. Why? In largest part, it is a replay of 1994; the Karzai government is dominated by viciously corrupt warlords, and many of them the same individuals.</p>
<p>Do they (Dostum, Farhim, Ismael Khan, etc) have no shame from their earlier defeat?</p>
<p>Can we not see that this is the binary choice facing the country? Despite billions in aid, this is where the country is irresistibly drawn, a choice between murderous kleptocracy and theocratic despotism.</p>
<p>I conclude by saying that, as bad as the Taliban are, they are preferable to Dostum, Farhim and their ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-chayes27-2009mar27,0,869368.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is another opinion rendered in March of this year that of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Chayes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sarah Chayes&lt;/a&gt; former NPR reporter,who lives in Kandahar where she set up a cooperative (Arghand) several years ago, one that makes soap and beauty products from natural ingredients.  ( In fact- full disclosure- I have a basket on display of these wonderful soaps which come wrapped in Afghan newspaper).



She writes more on her website and blog: http://www.sarahchayes.net/



She recently spoke about the elections being totally corrupt... as she foresaw in July in this interview, which I recommend, with Rachel Maddow about why she has become an advisor to McChrystal and ISAF:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWFMGv7-wyE



and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theworld.org/?s=Sarah+Chayes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; on 9/16/09 about the corruption &quot;sham&quot; of the recent election. It sounds like it should have led to a run-off with Abdullah Abdullah. At the moment, she says this ( illegitimacy) puts the whole US/int&#039;l  strategy in question.



I am comparing what I hear from Sarah Chayes with Rory Stewart&#039;s with Chris (and previously here) and, the other day, interviews with George Packer, Wilkerson  Daniel Ellsberg ( yes he of the Pentagon Papers).... where they intersect, where they differ.I totally appreciate all of this discussion.



This is a big issue for us, for Obama&#039;s presidency, and not the least at all for the Afghanistani people. And, I don&#039;t think it is so easy as being about &quot;empire&quot;- which I don&#039;t believe really can be in this globalized world.



So thank you for Rory Stewart&#039;s very well articulated nuanced view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a  href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-chayes27-2009mar27,0,869368.story" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is another opinion rendered in March of this year that of <a  href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Chayes" rel="nofollow">Sarah Chayes</a> former NPR reporter,who lives in Kandahar where she set up a cooperative (Arghand) several years ago, one that makes soap and beauty products from natural ingredients.  ( In fact- full disclosure- I have a basket on display of these wonderful soaps which come wrapped in Afghan newspaper).</p>
<p>She writes more on her website and blog: <a  href="http://www.sarahchayes.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sarahchayes.net/</a></p>
<p>She recently spoke about the elections being totally corrupt&#8230; as she foresaw in July in this interview, which I recommend, with Rachel Maddow about why she has become an advisor to McChrystal and ISAF:</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWFMGv7-wyE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWFMGv7-wyE</a></p>
<p>and <a  href="http://www.theworld.org/?s=Sarah+Chayes" rel="nofollow">here</a> on 9/16/09 about the corruption &#8220;sham&#8221; of the recent election. It sounds like it should have led to a run-off with Abdullah Abdullah. At the moment, she says this ( illegitimacy) puts the whole US/int&#8217;l  strategy in question.</p>
<p>I am comparing what I hear from Sarah Chayes with Rory Stewart&#8217;s with Chris (and previously here) and, the other day, interviews with George Packer, Wilkerson  Daniel Ellsberg ( yes he of the Pentagon Papers)&#8230;. where they intersect, where they differ.I totally appreciate all of this discussion.</p>
<p>This is a big issue for us, for Obama&#8217;s presidency, and not the least at all for the Afghanistani people. And, I don&#8217;t think it is so easy as being about &#8220;empire&#8221;- which I don&#8217;t believe really can be in this globalized world.</p>
<p>So thank you for Rory Stewart&#8217;s very well articulated nuanced view.</p>
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		<title>By: orangescissor</title>
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		<dc:creator>orangescissor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this conversation touches on those impossible post-imperial questions that the u.s. will have to face (but will try to erase) about Afghanistan and Iraq for a long, long time. the discussion about an American footprint in Afghanistan, &quot;we tend to lurch from engagement to isolation, from troop increases to withdrawal,&quot; captures this coming crisis of a post-imperial space, in the sense that neither &#039;engagement&#039; or &#039;isolation&#039;  will solve the critical question over sovereignty: who will &#039;legitimately&#039; govern Afghanistan or Iraq? I propose, this is an unsolvable crisis without some major revisions to our thinking about the &#039;international&#039; system, that currently relies on &#039;state sovereignty&#039; as the key form of legitimation. All I can say is that I&#039;ll be interested to see what the diplomats and legislators come up with.



In the meantime, if the u.s. admitted these wars were wrong, and that its state-building efforts are, as Rory Stewart believes, a lost cause... a flood of new questions arise: what responsibility do we have to repay for the enormous destruction and literally countless deaths we&#039;ve done to the people in Iraq and Afghanistan (in some material, ethical way, and on someone else&#039;s terms), rather than rebuild the &#039;states&#039; &quot;our&quot; way, according to &#039;our&#039; designs? It&#039;s great to hear someone at the Carr Center criticize the &#039;counterinsurgency&#039; (Rory is a much needed counterbalance to Sarah Sewell in that way), but when it fails, the u.s. should be very careful to resist blaming the Afghan and Iraqi people for the mess it finds itself in, until &#039;we&#039; in the u.s. face the contradictions and outright crimes of &quot;our&quot; history that is now forever entangled in Afghanistan and Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this conversation touches on those impossible post-imperial questions that the u.s. will have to face (but will try to erase) about Afghanistan and Iraq for a long, long time. the discussion about an American footprint in Afghanistan, &#8220;we tend to lurch from engagement to isolation, from troop increases to withdrawal,&#8221; captures this coming crisis of a post-imperial space, in the sense that neither &#8216;engagement&#8217; or &#8216;isolation&#8217;  will solve the critical question over sovereignty: who will &#8216;legitimately&#8217; govern Afghanistan or Iraq? I propose, this is an unsolvable crisis without some major revisions to our thinking about the &#8216;international&#8217; system, that currently relies on &#8216;state sovereignty&#8217; as the key form of legitimation. All I can say is that I&#8217;ll be interested to see what the diplomats and legislators come up with.</p>
<p>In the meantime, if the u.s. admitted these wars were wrong, and that its state-building efforts are, as Rory Stewart believes, a lost cause&#8230; a flood of new questions arise: what responsibility do we have to repay for the enormous destruction and literally countless deaths we&#8217;ve done to the people in Iraq and Afghanistan (in some material, ethical way, and on someone else&#8217;s terms), rather than rebuild the &#8216;states&#8217; &#8220;our&#8221; way, according to &#8216;our&#8217; designs? It&#8217;s great to hear someone at the Carr Center criticize the &#8216;counterinsurgency&#8217; (Rory is a much needed counterbalance to Sarah Sewell in that way), but when it fails, the u.s. should be very careful to resist blaming the Afghan and Iraqi people for the mess it finds itself in, until &#8216;we&#8217; in the u.s. face the contradictions and outright crimes of &#8220;our&#8221; history that is now forever entangled in Afghanistan and Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rory Stewart almost hypnotically articulate and incisive -- also precociously world-weary and depressed. I would be too. The wonderful writer Patrick Marnham wrote in the 60s about various militias in Afghanistan milling about with tall rifles, the fate of whose original owners -- i.e. the Brits -- he declined to contemplate...I&#039;ve been reading for rather too long a fascinating book bearing slightly on the, subject The Shape of Ancient Thought, by Thomas McEvilley, 20 years in the making:



http://www.amazon.com/Shape-Ancient-Thought-Comparative-Philosophies/dp/1581152035/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1253364032&amp;sr=1-1



...Which explores the relations between Eastern and Western thought. (A good subject for an interview.) Never the twain shall meet, but they do, have. A polite distance free of bombs perhaps the best way of going about things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rory Stewart almost hypnotically articulate and incisive &#8212; also precociously world-weary and depressed. I would be too. The wonderful writer Patrick Marnham wrote in the 60s about various militias in Afghanistan milling about with tall rifles, the fate of whose original owners &#8212; i.e. the Brits &#8212; he declined to contemplate&#8230;I&#8217;ve been reading for rather too long a fascinating book bearing slightly on the, subject The Shape of Ancient Thought, by Thomas McEvilley, 20 years in the making:</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Shape-Ancient-Thought-Comparative-Philosophies/dp/1581152035/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1253364032&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Shape-Ancient-Thought-Comparative-Philosophies/dp/1581152035/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1253364032&#038;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p>&#8230;Which explores the relations between Eastern and Western thought. (A good subject for an interview.) Never the twain shall meet, but they do, have. A polite distance free of bombs perhaps the best way of going about things.</p>
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		<title>By: nother</title>
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		<dc:creator>nother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 06:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To sustain our economy they tell us we must we keep spending…



So, would not the appropriate analogy be  (considering the overwhelming portion of our economy is defense) we must keep warring?



Afghanistan is the perfect setting to conduct war games…it is so disparate that we can project a lack of feeling…the lack of a cohesive resistance tempers our guilt.



To rationalize the continued spending on missiles, we must create a demand for missiles, and thus we must find a place to spend the missiles we currently have.  Afghanistan is delightful in its non-confrontationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To sustain our economy they tell us we must we keep spending…</p>
<p>So, would not the appropriate analogy be  (considering the overwhelming portion of our economy is defense) we must keep warring?</p>
<p>Afghanistan is the perfect setting to conduct war games…it is so disparate that we can project a lack of feeling…the lack of a cohesive resistance tempers our guilt.</p>
<p>To rationalize the continued spending on missiles, we must create a demand for missiles, and thus we must find a place to spend the missiles we currently have.  Afghanistan is delightful in its non-confrontationality.</p>
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