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    <itunes:summary>An American conversation with global attitude -- on the arts, humanities, and global affairs, hosted by Christopher Lydon.</itunes:summary>    
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		<title>The Montebello Project: a Marker Down for Peace</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The "art of peace" in a time of war -- a play on Sun Tzu's classic "The Art of War" -- was the bait and theme of a three-day conversation at the end of June.  The Arab Spring was part of the provocation.  James Der Derian's rallying bet is that the "Long War" fashion in post-911 conflict has run its course...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h4><a  href="http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Watson_Institute/Open_Source/RadioOpenSource-The_Art_of_Peace.mp3"> Click to listen to Chris&#8217; conversation with the &#8220;Art of Peace&#8221; conferees James Der Derian, Saundra Cisneros, John Hunter and Stephen Del Rosso (27 minutes, 13 mb mp3)</a></h4>
<p>The &#8220;art of peace&#8221; in a time of war &#8212; a play on Sun Tzu&#8217;s classic <i><a  href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War">The Art of War</a></i> &#8212; was the bait and theme of three days of conversation at the end of June in the biggest log cabin you ever imagined, the <a  href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Château_Montebello">Chateau Montebello</a> in the ageless wilds of Quebec. This was my introduction to the final wrap-up session with<a  href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/contacts_detail.cfm?id=24"> James Der Derian</a> of the Watson Instutute at Brown, co-host of the conference with Watson visiting fellow Nisha Shah; the extraordinary school teacher <a  href="http://www.ted.com/talks/john_hunter_on_the_world_peace_game.html">John Hunter</a> of the<a  href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOC0mrmIjHo"> World Peace Game</a> from Charlottesville, Virginia; novelist <a  href="http://www.sandracisneros.com/bio.php">Sandra Cisneros</a> of <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/House-Mango-Street-Sandra-Cisneros/dp/0679734775">The House on Mango Street</a></i>; and <a  href="http://carnegie.org/about-us/staff/view/single/person/sjd/">Stephen Del Rosso</a> of the Carnegie Corporation.</p>
<blockquote><p>War is Us.  We bring with us, even to Montebello, William James&#8217; pair of paradoxes.  First, that war, the bane of the species, also chose us.  &#8220;The survivors of one successful massacre after another are the beings from whose loins we and all our contemporary races spring,&#8221; as James put it. &#8220;Man is once for all a fighting animal; centuries of peaceful history could not breed the battle-instinct out of us.&#8221;  And second, more pointedly for us who choose to reflect ruefully on war, &#8220;Showing war&#8217;s irrationality and horror is of no effect,&#8221; James wrote in his great speech at Stanford in 1906, &#8220;The Moral Equivalent of War.&#8221;  &#8220;The horror makes the fascination.  War is the strong life; it is life in extremis; war taxes are the only ones men never hesitate to pay, as the budgets of all nations show.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Or is it so?  A century after William James, his lineal descendant in &#8220;brain science&#8221; and Harvard celebrity Steven Pinker shocks himself with the conclusion: &#8220;today we are living in the most peaceful moment of our species&#8217; time on earth.&#8221;  No matter that World Wars I and II, and Korea, Vietnam and Iraq, are part of that American century since James, Pinker writes: &#8220;Something in modernity and its cultural institutions have made us nobler.&#8221;  </p>
<p>In a farewell conversation we will be attempting a tight fit of the conference&#8217;s contradictions, touching again on art and science in the service of peace and war, testing our broadest guesses about where history, too, is driving us.  &#8220;History is a bucket of blood,&#8221; William James said.  But if, as Pinker demurs, modern history is leading us out of the pit, it would be valuable, as he says, to have some better ideas: why?  and how?</p></blockquote>
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<p>  And this was James Der Derian&#8217;s summing up and takeaway message when the conference was almost over:</p>
<blockquote><p>Violence and war are the means by which a very ruthless minority impose their will on a passive majority. What&#8217;s changed is the passivity no longer exists. The sleeping giant&#8217;s been poked one too many times. The fact that non-violence was the means by which the passive many chose to resist and overthrow that ruthless few [in the Arab Revolt that began in Tunisia and Egypt] is part of the reason why we held this event. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s the Zeitgeist, if it&#8217;s some Mayan prophecy, or if it is simply the end of the Long War that was the term used for post 9-11 conflict, but I think we are at a moment where if you get a language, if you get a passion, and if you get the means to spread the message, the natural will of the people to overthrow that type of domination will be served. As facilitators of that, we do &#8212; by our ability to mobilize a lot of heavy-duty intellectual firepower with some image-making capacity &#8212; have some small impact. Scholars are often lagging behind the latest idea or the latest movement&#8217;s purpose and goals. But I like to believe, to the extent that Civil Society and the State coexist and need to recalibrate, that there is a new networked capacity that did not exist at the time when Hegel and others first posed the idea of Civil Society being prior to the unified democratic state&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve studied War for twenty years and I think one of the reasons we chose &#8220;The Art of Peace&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;The Art of War&#8221; is because we&#8217;re witnessing something, and it&#8217;s no longer as ridiculous as it might have sounded. It&#8217;s easy for people who didn&#8217;t live through the Sixties to misinterpret that history. But this was a time when people did come together. They might not have levitated the Pentagon, as they tried to, but they did a pretty good job stopping the war. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Utopian Realist. I think that you have to have these aspirations, but you have to be totally realistic about cost and benefits. What I&#8217;m really saddened by is that the visions we&#8217;ve had in the past, visions in the past for the future, have been bankrupted. The Soviet Union bankrupted a vision of peace. We&#8217;ve seen a vision of peace coming out of the Enlightenment tradition bankrupted, hijacked, by humanitarian hawks, by the people who thought you had to bomb for peace. So I think it is the right moment to subject ourselves, or be willing to be subject to ridicule; not take ourselves too seriously, but at the same time not allow a little laughter at us or a little laughter among us to stop us from pursuing this goal.</p></blockquote>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[James Der Derian's bet as a scholar and citizen is that the fashionable "long war" of post-911 conflict has run its course.]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>Wikileaks: A Simulation of Net Wars to Come</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Net thinkers James Der Derian at Brown and Ron Deibert at the Univesity of Toronto, we’re looking for a new lede on the Wikileaks story ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h4><a  href="http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Watson_Institute/Open_Source/RadioOpenSource-Wiki_Leaks.mp3">Click to listen to Chris&#8217; conversation with James Der Derian and Ronald Deibert (37 minutes, 18 mb mp3)</a></h4>
<p>With Net thinkers <a  href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/contacts_detail.cfm?id=24">James Der Derian</a> at Brown and <a  href="http://deibert.citizenlab.org/">Ron Deibert</a> at the Univesity of Toronto, we&#8217;re looking for a new lede on the Wikileaks story. Julian Assange, poor devil, is the least of it &#8212; even if Bill O&#8217;Reilly wants to rip him apart with his bare hands and Vladimir Putin would give him the Nobel Peace Prize.  What&#8217;s interesting, in this conversation anyway, is the glimpse of an arms race in cyberspace, and the cautionary lesson in the geopolitics of the Internet.</p>
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<p>James Der Derian would tell you the next big war could be of the cyber variety.  More dangerous than Anonymous vs. Mastercard, it could be Our Worms vs. Yours.  The parties could be governments or non-state networks.  The targets could be military or civilian &#8212;  Third World hackers against, say, control-tower computers at Heathrow or O&#8217;Hare.  And in a paranoid frenzy before attackers are identifiable, it could get out of hand very fast &#8212; like World War I, but faster.</p>
<blockquote><p>Historically speaking, trans-national news services usually corresponded to empires. The spread of imperial power was accompanied by these various news services &#8212; Agence France-Presse, even TASS &#8212; sort of covered wherever the domain of that state power reached. What&#8217;s interesting is this: does WikiLeaks represent any power within the spread of particular networks? Is there an interest here that we need to look at, that&#8217;s being furthered to the detriment of the popular will that we tend to see identified with the internet?</p>
<p>…  because of the densely interconnected nature of the internet and of control systems, cascading effects can run out of control very fast.  You could have the equivalent of a World War I scenario. There a small little incident in Bosnia, the assassination of the archduke, led to a conflagration that killed millions of individuals.  What caused that to happen was secret treaties, and that&#8217;s why the most recent leaks have created such an uproar. Diplomacy was very much a secret game. Every treaty had a secret article connected to it that said: if you are attacked by country X we will come to your support. It created the effect of a densely networked system [in which] you push one button and the next thing you know Germany had to go to war for Austria&#8230; Cascading effects went out of control very swiftly.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Ron Deibert would remind you that the next cyber war won&#8217;t exactly be the first one.  The conflict in 2008 between Russia and Georgia over South Ossetia involved not only tanks and naval skirmishing, but also a major denial-of-service attack on the Georgian government and banking system.</p>
<blockquote><p>There is really a geopolitics of cyber space, a competition over this domain, from the idea level all the way down to the system infrastructure. … Most of what we call cyberspace is actually owned and operated by the private sector.</p>
<p>Keep in mind the context behind all this is that we&#8217;re moving in a remarkable rate towards a new mode of communicating, just within the last five years. … We&#8217;re migrating to this new way of communicating without developing the usual norms and protocols around basic security practices.</p>
<p>There is a kind of a demographic shift happening in cyberspace. It started out very much as an American dream. A West Coast libertarian ethos informed cyberspace in the beginning, because, frankly, that&#8217;s where it was invented. But over the last couple of decades it&#8217;s migrated outward. Now we&#8217;re seeing the highest rates of growth occurring in zones of conflict, in the developing world: there is a migration from the North and the West to the South and the East in cyberspace, and I think that is going to change the character of cyberspace. Most of the groups that we study, cyber-criminals and underground economies, [are] in places like Lagos or St. Petersburg or Shanghai. For individuals in these places, connecting to cyberspaces is a way for them to get out of the structural economic inequalities that they face on a day-to-day basis.</p></blockquote>
<p>What we&#8217;re all wondering is whether the fear Wikileaks has surfaced could mark the beginning of the end of the open Internet.   Will American anxiety about Web freedoms come to resemble the Chinese government&#8217;s?  As the <a  href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/06/western-democracies-must-live-with-leaks">Guardian</a> notes unmercifully, the Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama paeans of a year ago &#8212; to information networks that &#8220;are helping people discover new facts and making governments more accountable&#8221; &#8212; read now like &#8220;a satirical masterpiece.&#8221;  We seem, at least, to be looking at first blood between established power in the U.S. and the adolescent romance with a magical, free, transformative Web.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Forget Julian Assange for a sec.  Is the Wikileaks story really about (1) the end of the open Web and/or (2) a prelude to cyber war?]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>David Hoffman: A Running Tour of YouTube Nation</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<h4>Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with David Hoffman. (58 minutes, 27 mb mp3)</h4>
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David Hoffman produced 88 PBS documentary features and five feature-length films over a forty-year career.  But that was then.  And this is a guy whose life keeps starting over.   Always interestingly.  We&#8217;ve shared before our adventures with the great&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
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<p><a  href="http://www.youtube.com/user/allinaday">David Hoffman</a> produced 88 PBS documentary features and five feature-length films over a forty-year career.  But that was then.  And this is a guy whose life keeps starting over.   Always interestingly.  We&#8217;ve shared before our adventures with the great sound-man <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/tony-schwartz-for-the-next-generation/">Tony Schwartz</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in James Der Derian&#8217;s class on global media at Brown again, and David Hoffman is pushing through the cliche that we live in a screen culture and a YouTube world.  We didn&#8217;t know the half of it. Today we&#8217;re taking his tour of YouTube nation, peopled by more 1 billion searches every day. <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/tony-schwartz-for-the-next-generation/"> Hoffman</a>, who thought he&#8217;d been around the whole block, has stumbled on a sort of &#8220;Louisiana Purchase&#8221; of the media landscape. It&#8217;s homey, it&#8217;s cheap, it&#8217;s much much bigger than network television already, and it&#8217;s barely begun to chew up what we used to call media and spit it all out.</p>
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<p>Documentary film-making was, and is, a rich person&#8217;s pursuit, as he tells us. But anyone can talk to a camera and post the result. He loves YouTube&#8217;s celebration of a messy, cheap aesthetic, helping viewers learn  to love jump cuts and engage raw content. No one could be happier about this victory of moving image and spoken word: &#8220;It&#8217;s terrible to sit at your computer screen and read words,&#8221; he says, &#8220;It&#8217;s painful.&#8221;</p>
<p>For David Hoffman, this is just the beginning of a long-needed move away from censorship and big media control over information. But it&#8217;s a shift, he cautions, that demands a comprehensive new standard of media literacy.</p>
<p>Our conversation begins with this month&#8217;s release &#8211; by <a  href="http://wikileaks.org/">Wikileaks</a> &#8211; and its viral penetration &#8211; through <a  href="http://www.youtube.com">YouTube</a> &#8211; of a classified US government video documenting the alleged <a  href="http://www.collateralmurder.com/">&#8220;indiscriminate slaying of more than a dozen people&#8221;</a> outside of Baghdad:</p>
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		<title>Ted Bogosian: Confessions of a Truth Hound</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<h4>Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with Ted Bogosian. (28 minutes, 17 mb mp3)</h4>
Ted Bogosian is one of those uncommon journalists and filmmakers for whom the stark truth of the matter is all that counts.  Truth at the far pole from truthiness.  Emotional truth.  Historical truth.  Negotiable truth, which is to say: politically useful&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
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<p><a  href="http://akas.imdb.com/name/nm1388562/">Ted Bogosian</a> is one of those uncommon journalists and filmmakers for whom the stark truth of the matter is all that counts.  Truth at the far pole from truthiness.  Emotional truth.  Historical truth.  Negotiable truth, which is to say: politically useful truth.  Truth so awful sometimes that most of us &#8212; whether victims, perps or bystanders &#8212; would just as soon turn away.</p>
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<p>In James Der Derian&#8217;s &#8220;global media&#8221; class at Brown, Ted Bogosian is speaking about the PBS documentary that made him famous in 1988: <a  href="http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0495804/">An Armenian Journey</a> was the first, and almost the last, network television treatment in America of the Turkish slaughter of Armenians in 1915.  We&#8217;re talking as well about the the suddenly hot pursuit of pedophile priests in the Catholic church.  Also about Errol Morris&#8217;s &#8220;<a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/errol-morris-feel-bad-masterpiece/">feel-bad masterpiece</a>,&#8221; the almost unwatched<a  href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0896866/"> S.O.P.</a>, a film search through interviews and reenactments for the truth of Abu Ghraib.  And about Kathryn Bigelow&#8217;s best-picture Oscar winner <a  href="http://www.thehurtlocker-movie.com/">The Hurt Locker</a>, yet another box-office bomb about the American war in Iraq.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>TB</strong>:  Being Armenian requires a different standard of truth telling.  What&#8217;s in your DNA is this business of overcoming denial&#8230; The first thing in my life I remember is standing in my backyard in New Jersey, watching my grandmother, who was a survivor of the genocide, making a pile of rocks and telling me, in her broken English, that &#8220;nothing mattered.&#8221;  And for her to be saying that to a 3-year-old boy, based on what she had witnessed, started my journey toward making that film 30 years later, which was about all the apocryphal stories and all the real stories I had heard growing up.  I had to decide for myself which ones were true.  And when I did, I had to figure out a way to relate those truths to the world.  So I think it&#8217;s different for Armenians and for other ethnic groups trying to overcome similar denials.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong>  In other words, truth hounds don&#8217;t just happen.</p>
<p><strong>TB: </strong> There has to be a powerful momentum, an irresistible force, pushing you in that direction.  Otherwise it&#8217;s too easy to take the path of least resistance.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ted Bogosian&#8217;s story of his own motivation could be construed as ethnic determinism or something stranger: a rationale for ethnic revenge by journalism.  But I think we&#8217;re scratching at a subtler puzzle that popped up as a surprise here: what are the journalistic motives that seem to be bred in the bone, or in the family histories that drive a lifetime of the most urgent professional curiosity?</p>
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		<title>Thomas Y. Levin: &quot;surveillent narcissism&quot; and other digital doubts</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<h4>Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s classroom conversation with Thomas Y. Levin (32 min, 19 mb mp3)</h4>
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Advertising confirms Thomas Levin&#8216;s observation that, strange to tell, we have come to embrace Orwell&#8217;s worst nightmare in 1984, universal electronic surveillance.  A Kenneth Cole billboard in Manhattan makes the unembarrassed point that &#8220;On an average day&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
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<p>Advertising confirms <a  href="http://www.princeton.edu/complit/people/display_person.xml?netid=tylevin&#038;display=All">Thomas Levin</a>&#8216;s observation that, strange to tell, we have come to embrace Orwell&#8217;s worst nightmare in <i>1984</i>, universal electronic surveillance.  A Kenneth Cole billboard in Manhattan makes the unembarrassed point that &#8220;On an average day you will be captured on closed-circuit television camers at least a dozen times.  Are you dressed for it?&#8221;  Another print ad proclaims: &#8220;Only one out of every 10 New Yorkers who owns a telescope is interested in Astronomy.&#8221;</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/opinion/02herbert.html">Bob Herbert</a> in the New York Times revealed last week (&#8220;Watching Certain People&#8221;) that the New York Police Department has stopped, frisked and catalogued just under 3-million people in the city over five recent years &#8212; the vast majority of them black or Hispanic and innocent of the slightest offense.  &#8220;It’s a gruesome, racist practice that should offend all New Yorkers, and it should cease,&#8221; the columnist avers, but the people&#8217;s outrage seems slow in building.</p>
<p>With <a  href="http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&#038;rh=i%3Astripbooks%2Cp_27%3AThomas%20Y.%20Levin&#038;field-author=Thomas%20Y.%20Levin&#038;page=1">Tom Levin</a>, a media theorist at Princeton, we are catching up with not just the everyday &#8220;fabulousness&#8221; of &#8220;surveillent narcissism,&#8221; but a wider wave of misgivings about the digital information revoluton &#8212; questions, complaints and reassessments being raised by, for example,<a  href="http://www.jaronlanier.com/gadgetwebresources.html"> Jaron Lanier</a>, <a  href="http://edge.org/3rd_culture/gelernter10/gelernter10_index.html">Daniel Gelernter</a> and <a  href="http://futureoftheinternet.org/">Jonathan Zittrain</a>, among others.  &#8220;The only hope for social networking sites from a business point of view,&#8221; Lanier writes, &#8220;is for a magic formula to appear in which some method of violating privacy and dignity becomes acceptable.&#8221;</p>
<p>So we are getting a broad-brush review here in James Der Derian&#8217;s Watson Institute classroom at Brown of the &#8220;data shadows&#8221; &#8212; the electronic profiles of all of us that can now be bought and sold; of the &#8220;surveil me, please&#8221; mentality that builds our Facebook files; of the outsourcing of knowledge and memory to Google &#8212; and <a  href="http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/is-google-making-us-stupid/6868/">Nicholas Carr</a>&#8216;s question whether Google is making us stupid.</p>
<p>Tom Levin is an intrepid activist who refuses to give up an electronic signature at any cash register and who likes to give phony email addresses when the wrong people ask for his.  And still he deplores most of the &#8220;technodystopic whining&#8221; in the air.  His mission is bringing up the abysmal level of digital literacy, recalling Walter Benjamin&#8217;s line in the Thirties that people who cannot &#8220;read&#8221; a photograph are &#8220;the new illiterates.&#8221;  The people Tom Levin worries about today are those of us who forget that the data we&#8217;re giving up these days will be in somebody else&#8217;s hands <i>forever</i>.</p>
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		<title>Angles on Empire: Book Week at Brown</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<h4>Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with James Der Derian and Catherine Lutz (46 minutes, 21 mb mp3)</h4>
We&#8217;re taking two fresh measures here of the United States as military colossus &#8212; in two new books from the Watson Institute this spring.  Two common points here: you won&#8217;t forget these perspectives once you&#8217;ve taken in&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
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<p>We&#8217;re taking two fresh measures here of the United States as military colossus &#8212; in two new books from the Watson Institute this spring.  Two common points here: you won&#8217;t forget these perspectives once you&#8217;ve taken in the view; and you won&#8217;t see them anytime soon on page one of the New York Times.   One is about our military real estate: 900-plus US military bases around the world &#8212; many of them toxic, more and more of them under local protest.  The other is about the cultural process of war: the technology, media, narrative story line, TV and digital graphics of military power into the 21st Century.  The anthropologist <a  href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/contacts_detail.cfm?id=492">Catherine Lutz</a> edited <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Bases-Empire-Struggle-against-Military/dp/0814752446/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1241125001&#038;sr=1-2">The Bases of Empire: The Global Struggle Against U.S. Military Posts</a></i>.  Political theorist <a  href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/contacts_detail.cfm?id=24">James Der Derian</a> wrote <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Virtuous-War-Military-Industrial-Media-Entertainment-Network-James-Derian/dp/0415772397">Virtuous War: Mapping the Military-Industrial Media-Entertainment Network</a></i>.</p>
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<p>I asked James Der Derian to take apart the pun in his title about virtue, virtuality, virtuosity&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><b>JDD:</b> I was hoping that &#8220;virtuous war&#8221; would be a felicitous oxymoron &#8212; the tension between the idea of war, which is bloody and dirty, and the whole idea in the virtuous that you can do good through something so blunt as warfare.  Part of it comes out of the humanitarian intervention systems that evolved out of earlier administrations; we shouldn&#8217;t put this all on the doorstep of the Bush administration.  You see it coming together, the virtual and the virtuous, both in doctrine and technology.  The idea that what we can do should determine what we should do is part of the notion of &#8220;virtuous.&#8221;  At one time the words &#8220;virtual&#8221; and &#8220;virtuous&#8221; were synonymous.  They went down separate tracks in the Middle Ages.  They always contained this idea of producing an effect at a distance, which technology can do; but it was about producing a good effect.  Christ was in some ways a &#8220;virtual&#8221; tool of God.  The notion also in Greek thinking as well of how the gods operated carried the idea of &#8220;virtuosity.&#8221;  So in the United States it becomes almost a &#8220;deus ex machina&#8221; &#8212; to use war &#8212; in particular, a high-tech, low-casualty (at least for our side) form of warfare &#8212; to solve some of these intractable problems.</p>
<p><b>CL:</b> What is the connection between the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; and your &#8220;virtuous war&#8221;?</p>
<div class="image-right"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jderder.jpg" alt="" />James Der Derian: virtual virtuosity</div>
<p><b>JDD:</b> It speaks to the virtualization of the enemy  During the Cold War we had a fairly obvious enemy other.  General Powell at one point said we&#8217;re being deprived of enemies: all we had left at one point was the North Koreans.  In one way when you talk about the War on Terror, it&#8217;s to recognize that the old models, the old paradigms of war (particularly the idea of organized violence among and between states) no longer holds.  And yet the master narrative continues.  So you&#8217;re looking for some &#8220;other&#8221; to plug into this notion of &#8220;the enemy.&#8221;  One reason why the President and others use the term &#8220;war on terror,&#8221; as absurd as it sounds, is that we didn&#8217;t want to recognize the face that you could have 19 terrorists spend about $500-thousand and incur close to $25-billion in immediate destruction, not including the Iraq war that followed, which is going to top out probably around $1-trillion before we get out of there.</p>
<p><b>CL:</b>  Is it possible that Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda mastered virtuous or virtual warfare before we did?</p>
<p><b>JDD:</b> No, but it you look at what Bin Laden said in a famous interview in 2004, he&#8217;s talking about how &#8220;we&#8217;re going to provoke the superpower, provoke the Crusader, and we&#8217;re basically going to beggar them.&#8221;  He was very savvy about the notion of how to magnify this minuscule group of really pathological heretics within Islam into this colossus that would produce this over-reaction &#8212; would call out almost an auto-immune response where our attempt at a cure would be worse than the disease.  In that case, Bin Laden was incredibly rational and savvy about how to magnify what was a pretty insignificant force into something that now can play on the same field as the superpower.<br />
<h6>James Der Derian in conversation with Chris Lydon and Catherine Lutz at the Joukowsky Forum, Brown University April 28, 2009.</h6>
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<p>Cathy Lutz picked up immediately on the convergence of these two scholars&#8217; perspectives.</p>
<div class="image-right"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lutz.jpg" alt="" />Catherine Lutz: a fantastical system</div>
<blockquote><p>I think that&#8217;s exactly the way to look at the American military bases &#8212; as a response that has a certain rationality but ends up being a completely overwrought response to the notion of empire &#8212; of the desire that the United States has a role, should play and can play a role in controlling events around the world.  Hence this global spread and distribution of these bases with that dream behind it of global control, global surveillance, global knowledge.  The assumption that there&#8217;s a lot of rationality in the system as a whole &#8212; we need to rethink that.  There&#8217;s rationality in parts of it, different forms of rationality, but they form up into what we can see is a pretty fantastical system&#8230;  It costs over $100-billion in the US military budget.  It&#8217;s a very significant investment in a certain kind of idea of the world, and the US role in it.<br />
<h6>Catherine Lutz in conversation with Chris Lydon and James Der Derian at the Joukowsky Forum, Brown University April 28, 2009.</h6>
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		<title>&quot;Waltz with Bashir&quot;: the Art Director&#8217;s Cut at War</title>
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<div class="image-left"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dpolonsky.jpg" alt="" />David Polonsky: </div>
<p>&#8220;<a  href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RgbeDJyu0o">Waltz with Bashir</a>&#8221; is the Israeli war film that broke through to <a  href="http://carpetbagger.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/waltz-with-bashir/?scp=3&#038;sq=waltz%20with%20bashir&#038;st=cse">everything but an Oscar</a>.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;documentary cartoon&#8221; that uses the visual language of comic books to pry open the grotesque sealed memory of war.</p>
<p>Even as Israeli Defense Forces were smashing Gaza last December, the movie got high marks in Israel and around the world for resurfacing IDF complicity in the massacre of Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatilla camps in the &#8220;<a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/movies/14bron.html?scp=1&#038;sq=waltz%20with%20bashir%20bronner&#038;st=cse">despised</a>&#8221; war in Lebanon back in 1982.</p>
<p>&#8220;<a  href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKwJgOrN1f4">Waltz with Bashir</a>&#8221; recapitulates one soldier&#8217;s nightmares of the long-ago war to implant fresh nightmares in the audience. It&#8217;s an experiment with animation, of all things, to break the spell of war-without-end.</p>
<p>With the art director of &#8220;Waltz with Bashir,&#8221; <a  href="http://www.screenjabber.com/bashir-polonsky-interview">David Polonsky</a>, visiting Brown and the Rhode Island School of Design, we&#8217;re talking about animation as a guess, a stab at simulation, of how memory works; and about story-telling as an &#8220;intervention&#8221; against the chronic continuity of official violence.</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/contacts_detail.cfm?id=24">James Der Derian</a> of the Brown faculty is the author of <i><a  href="http://www.routledge.com/shopping_cart/products/product_detail.asp?curTab=DESCRIPTION&#038;id=&#038;parent_id=&#038;sku=&#038;isbn=9780415772396&#038;pc=">Virtuous War</a></i> in which he extends the &#8220;military industrial&#8221; complex to include its partners in media and entertainment.  He leads the conversation here in praise of animation as an artistic link between reality and the subconscious.</p>
<blockquote><p>On the one hand, the defamiliarization of animation allows you initially to take some distance from the story. But at some point (I think it has to do with the way that the brain visually assimilates information) the filter or the rational distancing fell by the wayside. I felt like it was almost directly accessing a part of the brain, because after all, the brain, through evolution, processes visual images first in a primal way and then the images go up to the language center, which is actually a much smaller part of our brain.</p>
<p>Watching &#8220;Waltz With Bashir,&#8221; you almost got into some primal, visual &#8212; I am going to call it &#8212; the truth center. So I found the film much more disturbing and harder to understand in a kind of removed, intellectual way, than if it had been a straight frame that I am more familiar with, which is documentary film or Hollywood war blockbusters. I think that is why it came back into our nightmares.</p>
<p>We all know what Marx said about the unconsciousness of the past: that it weighs on us like a nightmare. That somehow triggered all kinds of past memories about war in my own family history. So I think it was remarkable how the film was able to achieve that kind of new channeling of a part of the brain that is not normally a part of film watching, film spectating. <br />
<h6>James Der Derian in Open Source conversation with David Polonsky at the Watson Institute, April 15, 2009.</h6>
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<p>David Polonsky take his artistic bows gracefully, but he is rueful about the frustration of a larger project here.  I&#8217;d asked him if he and producer Ari Folman had thought of &#8220;Waltz with Bashir&#8221; as a sort of &#8220;intervention&#8221; in a pathological condition.</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, of course. Nobody involved in the work was  thinking for a moment that this film will stop war in any place. But, yeah, it is expression. It is art. It is the need of the self to express itself. It&#8217;s not made to achieve a certain outcome but it is there to say: I&#8217;m here and I can&#8217;t stand it anymore.</p>
<p>CL: How did you and Ari Folman feel at the time of Gaza, December &#8217;08, not just the massacre but the fact that the war seemed to be hugely popular in Israel?</p>
<p>DP: Deeply depressed. It is very unnerving and it is very hard to remain optimistic. The sense was that we lost the last strongholds of rationality &#8212; that everybody&#8217;s, well, insane. Again if there is some kind of hope, it is in chaos. It is in the fact that this is not the result of any kind of rational thinking.  And when it is not rational it can change in a moment.  Because if it doesn&#8217;t change in a moment, it was rational, and the end would not come in my lifetime.  And I am not prepared for that.<br />
<h6>David Polonsky in Open Source conversation with James Der Derian et al. at the Watson Institute, April 15, 2009.</h6>
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<p>Thanks and thumbs-up to the other guest movie reviewers here: Amy Kravitz of RISD for her wisdom on film animation, and Keith Brown of the Watson Institute for his anthropological eye.</p>
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		<title>Fred Kaplan on the Neo-Cons: Daytime Dreamers</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<h4>Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with Fred Kaplan and James Der Derian. (61 minutes, 28 mb mp3)</h4>
<div class="image-left">Fred Kaplan: a short history of bad ideas</div>
Fred Kaplan, the &#8220;War Stories&#8221; columnist at Slate, reminds us in his trashing of the Bush-Cheney neo-cons, Daydream Believers, not only that his barbed book title comes from&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h4><a  href="http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Watson_Institute/Open_Source/RadioOpenSource-Fred_Kaplan-James_Der_Derian.mp3">Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with Fred Kaplan and James Der Derian. (61 minutes, 28 mb mp3)</a></h4>
<div class="image-left"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/kaplan-export.jpg" alt="" />Fred Kaplan: a short history of bad ideas</a></div>
<p><a  href="http://labs.daylife.com/journalist/fred_kaplan">Fred Kaplan</a>, the &#8220;War Stories&#8221; columnist at <a  href="http://www.slate.com/id/2212343/">Slate</a>, reminds us in his trashing of the Bush-Cheney neo-cons, <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Daydream-Believers-Grand-Wrecked-American/dp/0470121181">Daydream Believers</a>,</i> not only that his barbed book title comes from T. E. Lawrence, but that Lawrence had aimed the dagger at his own over-reaching imperial self.</p>
<p>&#8220;All men dream: but not equally,&#8221; Lawrence wrote in <i><a  href="http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/telawren.htm">Seven Pillars of Wisdom</a></i>.  &#8220;Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity.  But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>In our studio / classroom with <a  href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/contacts_detail.cfm?id=24">James Der Derian</a>&#8216;s global security students at Brown&#8217;s Watson Institute, Fred Kaplan extends his argument about &#8220;a few grand ideas&#8221; that &#8220;wrecked American power.&#8221;  Among the bad ideas, in Kaplan&#8217;s reading, were the oversold &#8220;revolution in military affairs&#8221; and the Rumsfeldian dogmas it spawned about the political utility of super-high-tech weaponry.  Another one, he says here, was the notion that United States came out of the Cold War stronger &#8212; not perhaps unhinged by the loss of a balance wheel in world affairs.  Kaplan&#8217;s conversation picks up where <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/parag-khanna-anxious-in-afghanistan/">Parag Khanna</a>&#8216;s left off, as to the sins of the Bush years and the depth of the Obama predicament today:</p>
<blockquote><p>The U. S. Government&#8217;s recent actions &#8212; the willful disregard of international treaties, the documented instances of torture at Abu Ghraib prison, the often-arbitrary detentions at Guantanamo Bay, the illegal &#8220;renderings&#8221; of suspected terrorists on foreign soil, the harsh treatment of civilians under the occupation of Iraq, in the eyes of some the fact of the occupation itself &#8212; have undermined America&#8217;s authority as a moral or legal arbiter.</p>
<p>Quite apart from questions of war, these actions have also tarnished America&#8217;s stature as a beacon of democracy.  In many parts of the world, especially in the Middle East, the word &#8220;democracy&#8221; is now discredited.  Sadder still, the smattering of individuals and movements struggling for Western-style reforms shun association with the United States, knowing it would only hurt their cause&#8230;<br />
<h6>Fred Kaplan in <i><a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/books/18kaku.html">Daydream Believers</a></i> (Wiley), p. 197</h6>
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<p>There&#8217;s a great cameo appearance here by <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sergei-more-exp.jpg">Sergei Khrushchev</a>, historian son of the late Soviet Premier Nikita and a longtime fellow at the Watson Institute.  Quoth Sergei:</p>
<div class="image-right"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sergei-more-exp.jpg" alt="" />Sergei Khrushchev: the old illusion</a></div>
<blockquote><p>About Afghanistan, what is happening now reminds me, one by one, of what happened with the Soviet Union.  Soviet generals were against the invasion of Afghanistan.  But then after, when they entered there, each two months, they said: an additional division&#8230; and maybe we will take over.  At last it was finished with 150,000 [troops] that could not control Afghanistan at all.  The biggest mistake, what I think is happening now, is this illusion &#8212; and your illusion also &#8212; that anybody can control Afghanistan.  Nobody can control Afghanistan from outside, because we are alien and they will be united against us.<br />
<h6>Sergei Khrushchev with Fred Kaplan in James Der Derian&#8217;s seminar at Brown, March 4, 2009.</h6>
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		<title>The Age of Obama: Ten Days In: The Brown Bag (I)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ten days into the &#8220;long now&#8221; of President Barack Obama, we&#8217;re embarked on an unsystematic series of conversations about the man and what feels more like music than politics.  The philosophical text in this exchange is from Frank Sinatra, as quoted by Bono the other day in &#8220;Notes from the Chairman&#8221; in the New York&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ten days into the &#8220;long now&#8221; of President Barack Obama, we&#8217;re embarked on an unsystematic series of conversations about the man and what feels more like music than politics.  The philosophical text in this exchange is from <a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/opinion/11bono.html?scp=1&#038;sq=bono%20sinatra&#038;st=cse">Frank Sinatra</a>, as quoted by <a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/opinion/11bono.html?scp=1&#038;sq=bono%20sinatra&#038;st=cse">Bono</a> the other day in &#8220;Notes from the Chairman&#8221; in the New York Times: “Jazz is about the moment you’re in,&#8221; quoth Sinatra. &#8220;Being modern’s not about the future, it’s about the present.”</p>
<h4><a  href="http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Watson_Institute/Open_Source/RadioOpenSource-James_Der_Derian-Corey_Walker.mp3">Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with Corey Walker and James Der Derian. (28 minutes, 13 mb mp3)</a></h4>
<div class="image-right"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/walker.jpg" alt="" />Corey Walker &#038; James Der Derian</div>
<p>Professor <a  href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/contacts_detail.cfm?id=24">James Der Derian</a>, the author of <i><a  href="http://www.routledge.com/shopping_cart/products/product_detail.asp?sku=&#038;ppid=161956&#038;isbn=9780415772396">Virtuous War</a></i>, is a &#8220;magical realist&#8221; in international relations.  He sits imaginatively at the intersection of security issues and culture questions (that is, of the military and entertainment industries) in the digital age.  He is the first here to acknowledge Obama as a creative master of a different way of connecting different dots.  Hanging on to his Blackberry is the right metaphor of Obama&#8217;s politics.  &#8220;He gets the importance of interconnectivity,&#8221; as Der Derian puts it, &#8220;the importance of getting outside the Washington bubble, of keeping in touch with distant and dissident viewpoints, with mass politics as compared to Beltway politics.&#8221;  Our agenda with Obama&#8217;s &#8220;in the now,&#8221; Der Derian suggests, is not about restoring normalcy or about revolutionizing politics &#8212; it&#8217;s about improvising in a context of disorder without losing contact with his and our harmonic structures.</p>
<p>Professor <a  href="http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Africana_Studies/people/walker_corey.html">Corey D. B. Walker</a> is a scholar of philosophy and religion, a protege of Cornel West, an <a  href="http://www.counterpunch.org/walker12222008.html">anti-imperialist</a> of some subtlety &#8212; who hears the resounding pledges to &#8220;restore American leadership in the world&#8221; as a not-so-subtle euphemism for extending American empire by all the familiar, discredited means.  His fear seems to be &#8220;velvet glove&#8221; imperialism.  But he can imagine also that in the moving heart of Inauguration Day &#8212; which sandwiched the President&#8217;s speech between <a  href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7c2lC9JlJo">Aretha Franklin&#8217;</a>s &#8220;My Country &#8216;Tis of Thee&#8221; and Reverend <a  href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-22/why-black-preachers-are-better/">Joseph Lowery</a>&#8216;s rainbow of black, brown, yellow, red and white &#8212; we have glimpsed perhaps a vast renewal, a &#8220;democratic humanism,&#8221; and the &#8220;<a  href="http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1603">beloved community</a>&#8221; that Martin Luther King Jr. held up as our common goal.</p>
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		<title>Grand Strategy: Posen on Obama</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<h4>Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with Barry Posen (33 min, 15 MB)</h4>
Barry Posen is a very smart, connected foreign-policy &#8220;realist&#8221; who runs the MIT Security Studies Program.  He was one of those prized 33 policy types who signed the New York Times ad in September, 2002, arguing that &#8220;War with Iraq is not&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11px; font-family: Verdana;">Barry Posen is a very smart, connected foreign-policy &#8220;realist&#8221; who runs the MIT Security Studies Program.  He was one of those prized 33 policy types who signed the New York Times ad in September, 2002, arguing that <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/wp-content/TimesAd_01.pdf">&#8220;War with Iraq is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span> in America&#8217;s National Interest.&#8221;</a> </span></p>
<div class="image-left"><img src="/wp-content/mail_02.jpg" alt="posen2" />Barry Posen of MIT</div>
<p><span style="font-size: 11px; font-family: Verdana;">He isn&#8217;t always right.  A little more than a year ago, he was pretty sure that Dick Cheney would get his last big wish in office, a thundering strike on Iran:  &#8221;There will probably be a series of air raids,&#8221; Barry Posen begins, that will leave the mullahs&#8217; regime standing but lethally enraged, and will thicken the air of a universal American confrontation with Islam. And then…?  But he wasn&#8217;t so far off. &#8221;It&#8217;s going to take an accumulation of costly mistakes to turn the elite in this country toward a policy of realism and a policy of restraint,&#8221; he said to me.  Perhaps a decisive presidential election would set another direction. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11px; font-family: Verdana;">Or perhaps not. Posen argued &#8220;The Case for Restraint&#8221; in <a  href="http://www.the-american-interest.com/ai2/article.cfm?Id=331&#038;MId=16">The American Interest Online</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The United States needs to be more reticent about the use of military force; more modest about the scope for political transformation within and among countries; and more distant politically and militarily from traditional allies. We thus face a choice between habit and sentiment on the one side, realism and rationality on the other… &#8221;  </p>
<p>In James Der Derian&#8217;s global security class at Brown University this month, Barry Posen read the Obama tea leaves and appointments &#8212; and judged that the President-elect may yet be in the grip of habit and sentiment in the realm of strategy:</span></span></span></p>
<blockquote><p>Judging from the cast of characters and even judging from things that President-elect Obama has said himself, he&#8217;s not very far from the grand strategy consensus I described and in fact, in some ways, you could say, based on things he&#8217;s said, he&#8217;s even more energetic about certain things. And certainly some of the people he&#8217;s advised are more energetic. You know, I can find you somewhere in my briefcase&#8230;chapter and verse from say Susan Rice about the need not just to do something about Darfur, but to do very, very forward things about Darfur. Senator soon-to-be Secretary of State Clinton same. The president-elect has talked about humanitarian miliary intervention as if its something you should do. Samantha Power is a friend and advisor of his. So you could easily come to the conclusion that the change is going to be at the tactical level. The kind I talked about, you know, more emphasis on international institutions, more emphasis on diplomacy and, you know, probably more emphasis on doing something about nuclear weapons.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>But if you believe that president-elect Obama does have a kind of a sense of proportion, a sense of priorities, a sense of scarcity, an ability to weigh, then I think you can look at this whole panoply of things that are there in the consensus and sort of say what&#8217;s likely to be priority and what&#8217;s likely to be second priority, right? And something&#8217;s got to give.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>So my own guess is, when I take off this grand strategy prescriptive hat that I had on and try to assess what&#8217;s more likely, I think there&#8217;s a set of inter-connected issues that start in North Africa and end somewhere on the Pakistan-India border that are in some sense all have to be addressed at once and this was sort of the message of the Baker-Hamilton Commission&#8230; So if you look at all the things that need to be done there: some attention to the Palestinian-Israeli dispute, attention to the Indian-Pakistani dispute, trying to get out of Iraq, trying to do something about Iran&#8217;s nuclear program, trying to decide what to do about Afghanistan because there&#8217;s a lot of loose talk about escalation but also some other talk that says maybe we better stop and think, right? And these things all have somthing to do with the other, right? So addressing all those things would be a project for an administration. Eight years, address those things. Fix one or two. Prevent the rest from going completely to hell; you&#8217;re a hero, right? So that project alone, which they&#8217;re out front on and they&#8217;re stuck with, I think is going to drive their activity.</p></blockquote>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The MIT "security" buff Barry Posen makes a critical inspection of President-elect Obama\'s "grand strategy" for the US in the world.]]></itunes:summary>
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