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    <itunes:summary>An American conversation with global attitude -- on the arts, humanities, and global affairs, hosted by Christopher Lydon.</itunes:summary>    
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		<title>Pico Iyer: Channeling Graham Greene and the World Spirit</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pico Iyer-- my monitor on the global spirit in conversation and books -- hears voices: of the Dalai Lama, Henry David Thoreau, Leonard Cohen and Joni Mitchell among others. But the strongest dialog in Iyer's busy brain seems to run between Emerson and the late English novelist Graham Greene ...]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;Although knaves win in every political struggle, although society seems to be delivered over from the hands of one set of criminals into the hands of another set of criminals&#8230; and the march of civilization is a train of felonies, &#8211; yet, general ends are somehow answered&#8230; the world-spirit is a good swimmer, and storms and waves cannot drown him. He snaps his finger at laws: and so, throughout history, heaven seems to affect low and poor means. Through the years and the centuries, through evil agents, through toys and atoms, a great and beneficent tendency irresistibly streams.&#8221;</p>
<h6>Ralph Waldo Emerson Essays: <a  href="http://emersoncentral.com/montaigne.htm">Montaigne, or The Skeptic</a>.</h6>
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<blockquote><p> &#8221;God save us always from the innocent and the good&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<h6>The voice of Graham Greene, spoken by the British journalist Fowler in Greene&#8217;s prophetic novel of Vietnam, <em><a  href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89542461">The Quiet American</a></em>, published in 1955. Quoted anew in Pico Iyer&#8217;s <em><a  href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/books/2017271403_br22iyer.html">The Man Within My Head</a>.</em></h6>
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<p><a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/pico-iyer-the-transcendentalist-dalai-lama/">Pico Iyer</a> &#8212; my monitor on the global spirit in conversation and books &#8212; hears voices: of the Dalai Lama, Henry David Thoreau, Leonard Cohen and Joni Mitchell among others. But the strongest dialog in Iyer&#8217;s busy brain seems to run between Emerson and the late English novelist Graham Greene (1904 &#8211; 1991), the Catholic agnostic who prayed to a God he wasn&#8217;t sure he believed in, and the subject of Pico Iyer&#8217;s shivering introspection, <em><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Man-Within-My-Head/dp/030726761X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1328914662&#038;sr=8-1">The Man Within My Head</a></em>. Emerson is &#8220;the God within,&#8221; as Harold Bloom has said, a companion in the daylight hours. Greene is &#8220;the fallen man within,&#8221; who keeps turning up in dreams and the subconscious. &#8220;Graham Greene is more of a warning than an illumination,&#8221; Pico Iyer is telling me. &#8220;Thoreau and Emerson and the American Way have shown me where I want to go; Greene is pointing to all the ditches and the cracks in the road along the way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am wondering: where&#8217;s our American Graham Greene when we need one? Greene&#8217;s peers in school after World War I, Pico Iyer writes, &#8220;were learning strength and how to go out and administer Empire, already in its first stages of dissolution. Greene, meanwhile, was learning the opposite: how to take power apart, how to do justice to its victims, on both sides of the fence, how to make a home in his life for pain and even fear. As classmates set about making the official history of their people, he began picking at its secret life, its tremblings, its wounds.&#8221; Greene, in Pico Iyer&#8217;s line, was &#8220;an Englishman in flight from English-ness.&#8221; So I am asking: who are our exemplary strong antidotes to American exceptionalism and heedless folly in the world?</p>
<blockquote><p>The names that immediately come to my head are Don DeLillo, Robert Stone, Thomas Pynchon, perhaps. Robert Stone is almost a direct heir to the Greenian legacy: a troubled Catholic who goes to the warzones of the world to see the soul in peril in all senses but also to see what America is up to in these shadowy corners&#8230; But the other thing is that American literature is currently being written and re-written by the latest newcomers from Russia, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba, Korea &#8212; &#8230; think of Chimamanda Adichie, Gary Shteyngart, Junot Diaz, Jhumpa Lahiri, Lee Yun Hee and many others. And what they’re doing, among other things, is they’re remaking America&#8230; importing the wisdom of their ancestral homes and making new combinations. So that’s all promising. The American soul is taking on new colors now, and our President is another example of that. If nothing else, no matter how you feel about Obama, I would say we’ve never had a President who understands life in Indonesia as he does. We’ve never had a President who knows the complications of interacting with Kenya and therefore with many other impoverished nations, at least on the human level, as he does. He hasn’t always managed to translate that into policy but it’s certainly a step forwards because in terms of global understanding which is the currency of the moment, he has it.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harold Bloom is giving us a one-man performance of a one-act play. He invited us months ago to his class at Yale on Herman Melville’s Moby-Dick, and finally here it is and here we are. Because this is Harold Bloom on stage, himself the “living labyrinth” of literature, his jazz-like solo improvisation is endlessly allusive — to Lear (“81 years old, my age”), to Macbeth ...]]></description>
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<p> <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/harold-bloom-on-the-playing-field-of-poetry/"> Harold Bloom</a> is giving us a one-man performance of a one-act play. He invited us months ago to his class at Yale on Herman Melville&#8217;s <i><a  href="http://www.melville.org/hmmoby.htm">Moby-Dick</a></i>, and finally here it is and here we are. Because this is <a  href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lydondev/2003/09/03/harold-bloom-culture-gods-from-emerson-to-bird/">Harold Bloom</a> on stage, himself the &#8220;living labyrinth&#8221; of literature, his jazz-like solo improvisation is endlessly allusive &#8212; to Lear (&#8220;81 years old, my age&#8221;), to Macbeth and other Shakespeareans; to Yahweh, Job and Prometheus; to the canonical American writers from <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/the-harold-bloom-tapes/">Emerson</a>, Hawthorne and Henry James to Dickinson and Frost, Wallace Stevens and Hart Crane; to the 20th Century novelists Fitzgerald, Hemingway and Faulkner.  But only <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/at-home-with-harold-bloom-1-on-walt-whitman/">Walt Whitman</a> sits at the pinnacle with the author of <i>Moby-Dick</i>.  &#8220;These are the two great American books,&#8221; Professor Bloom is remarking on our way into Harkness Hall, &#8220;<i><a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/walt-whitman-a-talk-show-guy/">Leaves of Grass</a></i> in its various editions, side by side with this miracle of a book <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Moby-Dick-Blooms-Notes-Herman-Melville/dp/0791040674">Moby-Dick</a></i>, almost flawless, I think.  What else is of that eminence?&#8221;  How strange, he adds, that Whitman and Melville, exact contemporaries in the ambience of 19th Century New York, never acknowledged each other.  &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what to call them.  They&#8217;re not ships.  Whales maybe, leviathans &#8212; passing in the night and never taking note of the other.  And yet I can no longer read one without reading the other.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Moby-Dick</i> is not a novel,&#8221; Professor Bloom remarks.  &#8220;It is a giant Shakespearean prose poem, quite deliberately.&#8221;  And Captain Ahab of the Pequod is no more villain than hero.  He is an Emersonian figure, &#8220;self-reliance gone mad.&#8221;  He is a dark hero on the Greek scale, our American Prometheus.  It&#8217;s not the least of Melville&#8217;s genius that <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Why-Read-Moby-Dick-Nathaniel-Philbrick/dp/0670022993"><a href="http://www.radioopensource.org/moby-dick-cheney-et-al/">Moby-Dick</a></a></i> is new on every reading.  Not the least of Harold Bloom&#8217;s genius is that, having read the book hundreds of times, he never teaches it quite the same way.  He is speaking here, with barely a written note, in a classroom with about a score of Yale undergraduates.  He reminds me of Sonny Rollins playing his tenor horn, drawing on a lifetime of memory and imagination, devotion and practice.</p>
<blockquote><p>To have these ferocious killers of the natural world, these great hunters of whales, who, after all, in relation to these harpoons, are at a terrible disadvantage — except for this great monolithic vast Leviathan, straight out of Job &#8212;  it&#8217;s very unfair. And you can feel, at times, submerged in the book, Melville&#8217;s own horror at what is happening. And of course we know what the ultimate consequence of this is, the decimation now of these great beasts, who are, by the way, mammals: warm-blooded breathing creatures like ourselves, almost destroyed now, for all our &#8220;Save the Whales&#8221; campaigns&#8230;</p>
<p>There has to be, though I don&#8217;t understand it myself, some peculiar inverse ratio between  the trope of whiteness in this book and the horrible paradox that these killers — including the gentle Starbuck, still the best lance out of Nantucket, the bravest man in a boat, and the fearful Ahab — are Quakers: opposed to war, to this day, opposed to conscription. Although I always remember President Richard Nixon was a Quaker. Heaven help them all, and us. </p>
<p>What should we do with the paradox of a hunt in which we cannot possibly be on the side of the human hunters, Quaker or not, and have to be on the side of Moby-Dick, even though that goes against the deep Biblical symbolism which is involved? And Melville is all too aware of this&#8230;<br />
<h6><a  href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/dec/17/featuresreviews.guardianreview1">Harold Bloom</a> with Chris Lydon at Yale University, October, 2011.</h6>
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		<title>Harold Bloom: On the Playing Field of Poetry</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Harold Bloom, in conversation about his famous <i>Anxiety of Influence</i> among poets, says it's "no different at all" from what Mickey Mantle experienced playing in Joe DiMaggio's Yankee centerfield -- a mix of love (never without ambivalence) and then robust self-investment...   ]]></description>
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<p> Harold Bloom, in conversation about his famous <i><a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/01/specials/bloom-influence.html">Anxiety of Influence</a></i>, slips so comfortably into baseball and jazz metaphors (&#8220;tropes,&#8221; in the lingo) that I&#8217;m wondering if it&#8217;s time for the wall chart version of his literary argument &#8212; something like David Marriott&#8217;s <a  href="http://www.zazzle.com/periodic_table_of_jazz_shirt-235569664417926225">Periodic Table</a> of Jazz Pianists.  Or perhaps an interactive game, or Wiki, drawing on a poetic equivalent of <a  href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1124493/1/index.htm">Bill James</a>&#8216; reinvention of baseball statistics.  &#8220;A <a  href="http://sabr.org/">Sabremetrics</a> of literature, you mean?&#8221; quoth Bloom.  Yes, poetry&#8217;s answer to fantasy baseball, I say, with players named Shelley, Keats, Dickinson and Ashberry.</p>
<p>How different, I&#8217;m asking him, was Mickey Mantle&#8217;s relation in the Yankees&#8217; centerfield to the myth of Joe DiMaggio on the same turf (or Johnny Damon&#8217;s relation more recently to the memory of Mickey Mantle) from the creative tension between American poets Wallace Stevens (1879 &#8211; 1955) and Walt Whitman (1819 &#8211; 1892)?  &#8220;No different,&#8221; judges Professor Bloom.  Or <a  href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkElnIiE4U4">Paul Gonsalves</a> sitting in Ben Webster&#8217;s tenor saxophone chair in the Ellington band in the 1950s?  &#8220;Absolutely no different.&#8221;  Or <a  href="http://www.youtube.com/user/AdeleVEVO?blend=5&#038;ob=5">Adele</a>, the contemporary young British songstress with the Ella Fitzgerald intonation?</p>
<p>Influence, as the Sage of New Haven expounds it again in <i><a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/books/review/book-review-the-anatomy-of-influence-by-harold-bloom.html">The Anatomy of Influence</a></i>, is a process that begins in love and extends itself in a certain amount of narcissism and robust self-investment.  It describes part of Milton&#8217;s link to Shakespeare, Nabokov&#8217;s to James Joyce, Charlie Parker&#8217;s to Johnny Hodges and Louis Armstrong, and Carl Yastrzemski&#8217;s to Ted Williams.  </p>
<p>I am confessing that I preferred the original title for the new book: <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/whose-words-these-are-15-blooms-hart-crane/">The Living Labyrinth</a>, because it so elegantly represented not literature so much as the surging search-engine of Bloom&#8217;s overstocked head.  Influence anxiety, as he likes to say, exists not between the artists but between their poems endlessly bumping into each other in readers&#8217; memories, none vaster than his own.  &#8220;Let&#8217;s face it, Harold,&#8221; I had said to him most of two years ago, &#8220;the living labyrinth is you!&#8221;  He answered with a long laugh, and then: &#8220;A nice trope, my boy.&#8221; </p>
<p>There are more flashes of autobiography than usual in this <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/?s=harold+bloom">our umpteenth conversation</a>, on the eve of Bloom&#8217;s 81st birthday.  It touches me somehow that baseball keeps popping up as a sort of alternative home of the Bloomian imagination.  He&#8217;s remembering the Bronx in the summer of 1936 when Bloom&#8217;s uncle, &#8220;the splendid Sam Kaplan,&#8221; took the 6-year-old boy to Yankee Stadium, and the rookie Joseph Paul DiMaggio streaked like a gazelle onto the Bloom horizon.  The inspiration is not forgotten.  Bloom loves (who doesn&#8217;t?) the famous DiMaggio line when asked why he&#8217;d nearly killed himself chasing down a fly ball in a game that had already been decided: &#8220;because there might be a kid in those stands who hasn&#8217;t seen me play before.&#8221;  Bloom will teach another ten years at Yale, he hopes &#8212; till he&#8217;s carried out, in any event; and he still takes speaking gigs at the New York Public Library, he explains, because there might be someone in New York &#8220;who has never seen Bloom talk before.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>I call the first section of this book literary love. I think that in order for later poets to be profoundly influenced by earlier poets, they have to begin by falling in love with the poems. But of course, like love of all kinds, if you&#8217;re fiercely enough in love, it carries its ambivalences. And those ambivalences constitute part of the phenomenon I call the anxiety of influence.</p>
<p>When I call the subtitle of this &#8220;Literature as a Way of Life&#8221;, I mean that. I think that there are people who love religion. I don&#8217;t. There are people who love history, I hate history. I agree with James Joyce that it&#8217;s a nightmare from which we should try to awake but we can&#8217;t. There are people who love science or philosophy. I don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I think we are in a society now, for more than a century, and it will go on this way, I fear, where all our cognitive modes have failed us. My late friend Richard Rorty once said to me, &#8220;You know Harold, when the cognitive modes &#8212; philosophy, science, religion, history &#8212; fail a society, then willy-nilly, whether it wants to or not, it becomes a literary culture.&#8221; And I said, &#8220;Yes, Dick, and I&#8217;m not so sure this is good for literature, or good for society.&#8221; But I think this is what has happened.</p>
<p>Even now in the digital age, though we call it by different names and we adulterate the phenomenon, we live in a literary culture.<br />
<h6>Harold Bloom with Chris Lydon in New Haven, June 2011.</h6>
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		<description><![CDATA[Koshy’s Cafe on St. Mark’s Road in the heart of Old Bangalore is the spot where India’s sense of itself gets born again every morning in once-and-future war stories — where dreams of a “second wave” of the entrepreneurial boom underlie every other conversation ...]]></description>
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<blockquote><p> &#8220;&#8230; And our nation, though it has no drinking water, electricity, sewage system, public transportation, sense of hygiene, discipline, courtesy or punctuality, <i>does</i> have entrepreneurs.  Thousands and thousands of them.  Especially in the field of technology.  And these entrepreneurs &#8212; <i>we</i> entrepreneurs &#8212; have set up all these outsourcing companies that virtually run America now.&#8221;<br />
<h6>From the self-satirizing narrator of <i>The White Tiger</i>, Aravind Adiga&#8217;s Man Booker Prize novel of 2008.</h6>
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<p>Koshy&#8217;s Cafe on St. Mark&#8217;s Road in the heart of Old Bangalore is the spot where India&#8217;s sense of itself gets born again every morning in once-and-future war stories &#8212; where dreams of a &#8220;second wave&#8221; of the entrepreneurial boom underlie every other conversation.  As jumping-off point and non-stop salon, it&#8217;s Rick&#8217;s Cafe in Old Casablanca, from about the same starting point in 1940.  Prem Koshy &#8212; today&#8217;s Rick &#8212; is the grandson of the founder and the chief of the &#8220;Ladies and Knights of the Square Table.&#8221; In his youth, Prem Koshy moved to Kansas to go to baking school, and then to New Orleans to tend bar and run a couple of night clubs.  &#8220;Now I&#8217;m back home,&#8221; he explained, &#8220;ready to see India move out of its diaper stage and into our adulthood.&#8221;  He invited us to sit in over eggs and record the daily gab one day late in July:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Ashok K:</strong> &#8230; What you had in Information Technology was a whole bunch of young people who created an industry from the ground up, without a rule book&#8230; That&#8217;s given them the ability to pick up something new and run with it, to go after any opportunity they see.  Which area?  You can get lists from renewable energy to pharmaceuticals to whatever.  But the important thing is you&#8217;ve got hundreds of thousands of people who have the ability and the confidence to run with any idea that seizes them&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong>  What a visitor like me sees is that the new wealth of India is not eliminating the old poverty.</p>
<p><strong>Satish S:</strong> As the pace picks up, the slums will disappear.  I&#8217;ll give you an example.  Many of us when we came from the rural area didn&#8217;t use a toothbrush; we used a stick.  The marketing people have said: if they introduce people to toothpaste, no company will be able to meet the demand.  India is a huge market.  It&#8217;s a very simple thing.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong>  Are you going to buy one?</p>
<p><strong>Satish S: </strong> Oh, I definitely use a toothbrush&#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Prem Koshy:</strong>  Now, about this trickling-down effect.  It&#8217;s the 80-20 law that&#8217;s at work.  Nature&#8217;s law of 80-20 &#8212; you know that, right?  If you take all the wealth and equally distribute it, 20 percent will control the wealth again, and 80 percent will support them.  In nature as well, 20 percent is the strongest part of nature&#8217;s crop, and 80 percent is usually the fringe that die.  We need to move the 80 percent into the 20 percent that&#8217;s going to keep us going&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Hameed N:</strong> India needs people who can see things and say that the emperor has no clothes.  For example, urbanization and this current model of development which I think is the most horrible thing.  And yet we seem to be helpless.  But no one is helpless.  We wish to be helpless.  And we follow the same models with the same consequences.  We are rending our social fabric.  We are destroying our environment.  And yet we maintain this is the only way.  I doubt it is the only way.  Of course it is not.  But either you are for this kind of thing or you are a Cassandra, or a leftist &#8212; all kinds of names unfortunately&#8230; I would say, if people are serious about change, start with children.  And you educate them not merely in technology &#8212; also not in that bogus spirituality which India talks about all the time.  You educate them about the real stuff: what&#8217;s good, living well, being kind, being generous, sharing, learning to cooperate, learning to collaborate.</p>
<p><strong>CL: </strong> Oh, man.  You&#8217;re my guru.  You&#8217;re the man I came to meet.</p>
<p><strong>Hameed N:</strong>  Well, thank you.  But a guru is a most dreadful person &#8212; India has lots of them &#8212; because then we suspend our thinking and start listening to what somebody else tells us.  That&#8217;s India&#8217;s problem&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Mena R:</strong> I know you are American, but I feel the Americans have gotten into India very insidiously.  They have changed culture in India &#8212; multinationals selling toothpaste and French fries and chips.  They&#8217;ve changed Indian habits and customs for whatever reason, to sell, to make money&#8230; We have been filled with a lot of information and consumerism from Western countries which we could do without.</p>
<p><strong>CL: </strong> What&#8217;s the worst of it?</p>
<p><strong>Mena R:</strong>  Indian children &#8212; upper-class and middle-class children &#8212; now their aspirations are to be American.  The way they dress, the way they eat, their attitudes, are all American.  Hollywood cinema, American TV, have influenced India &#8212; a lot!</p>
<p><strong>CL: </strong> Do you see anybody you like on American TV?</p>
<p><strong>Mena R:</strong>  Yeah.  I like Drew Carey!  Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Mena R:</strong> About six months ago the newspapers were trying to bridge a friendship between India and Pakistan.  And they sent musicians and artists back and forth.  I was told the Americans were funding this.  But there really is no way that India and Pakistan can ever talk.  It&#8217;s foolish to accept that we are going to talk.  We&#8217;ve been traditionally enemies since they broke away, since 1947.  If you ask any Indian, &#8220;who&#8217;s your enemy?&#8221; they will not say England, or Burma, or Sri Lanka.  Not even China.  We always think of Pakistan as our national enemy, and we will never make friends.  The Americans understand this, yet they come and tell us one thing and then hand over huge amounts of money to Pakistanis to buy arms.  Where are the arms used mainly?  Back on India.  So-called they are trying to contain Taliban and Al Qaeda, but finally it comes back into India&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Ashok K: </strong>The second wave [of the Indian boom] is at the high-chaos stage.  It&#8217;s a churn, a maelstrom.  All the pieces are there: the old, the new, the confused present&#8230; You don&#8217;t have to spin the wheel anymore.  It&#8217;s spinning on its own.  It&#8217;s no longer a question of: will it succeed?  Of course it will succeed.  But how quickly can it happen?  And how can you minimize the misery that&#8217;s going to happen?  There&#8217;s a lot of misery in the making, and these are new kinds of misery.  Crime is going to go through the roof&#8230; It&#8217;s very much America in the 70s, when you had a runaway crime problem and didn&#8217;t know what to do with it.  You have a complete churning &#8212; everything you&#8217;ve heard around this table from the connection with the older generation, parental supervision, crime, the politics and the school of resentment that Harold Bloom would talk about.  Everyone in Indian politics is carrying an axe.  It hasn&#8217;t helped that Indian politics has been divisive &#8212; not to bring people together but to break people into groups which are convenient at election time.  You don&#8217;t have an end in sight, but hope is very strong.  One would like to see the worthies who take our tax money putting a plan behind this.</p>
<p><strong>Hameed N:</strong>  In the life of a nation, five or ten years is nothing&#8230; What more can India give?  It has given Yoga.  It has given the Indian philosophy.  It has given Kama Sutra.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong>  And Gandhi, too.  And Prem Koshy.</p>
<p><strong>Prem Koshy:</strong>  In the famous words of my grandfather: Listen, buddy: before you try to save the whole world, please try not to be the monkey who pulls the fish out of the water to save it from drowning.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Terry Teachout&#8217;s Pops: Culture-Changing Genius</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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Terry Teachout&#8216;s fine reconsideration of the man called “Pops” solidifies Louis Armstrong&#8217;s standing as not just the greatest horn player since the angel Gabriel, but an all-transforming artist at the level of James Joyce or even Shakespeare, and a&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
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<p><a  href="http://www.artsjournal.com/aboutlastnight/">Terry Teachout</a>&#8216;s fine reconsideration of the man called “Pops” solidifies Louis Armstrong&#8217;s standing as not just the greatest horn player since the angel Gabriel, but an all-transforming artist at the level of James Joyce or even Shakespeare, and a black American freedom fighter of character and conscience, too.</p>
<p>Louis Armstrong’s power to astonish was never in doubt.  <a  href="http://hoagy.com/bio.htm#">Hoagy Carmichael</a>, the songwriter of “Stardust” and “Georgia,” dropped his cigarette and gulped his drink the first time he heard Louis, barely out of his teens, in 1921.  “Why,” Hoagy moaned, “isn’t everybody in the world listening to that?”  Over the next 50 years the whole world heard Louis, and marveled, but there were always questions, too: Could honky-tonk music from red-light New Orleans get standing, really, with Schubert and Bach?  Was Louis in artistic decline after the Twenties?  Was he an Uncle Tom in all that Satchelmouth clowning?</p>
<p>All the modern answers as Terry Teachout documents them are over the top now in favor of Louis Armstrong.  Listen to the testimonies his fellow horn players <a  href="http://www.theconnection.org/2000/07/04/ruby-braff-on-louis-armstrong/">Ruby Braff</a> and <a  href="http://www.theconnection.org/2000/07/04/wynton-marsalis-on-louis-armstrong/">Wynton Marsalis</a> gave me on Louis&#8217;s legendary centennial, July 4, 1900: that if Louis wasn&#8217;t actually God, he was at least proof of God. His grandeur, complexity and consistency as man and artist seem now beyond question. <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/at-home-with-harold-bloom-3-the-jazz-bridge/"> Harold Bloom</a>, keeper of the cultural canon and an astute jazz listener, too, pairs Armstrong with Walt Whitman as the greatest American contributor to the world&#8217;s art, the genius of this nation at its best.  It turns out we could believe our ears after all.</p>
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<blockquote><p><strong>CL</strong>: You refer to him at one point as a middlebrow genius, which I think is awfully good, but spell it out.</p>
<p><strong>TT</strong>: I used that phrase because Armstrong is a guy whose favorite band leader was Guy Lombardo, a guy who just liked a good tune, who happened to be a culture-changing genius. And he didn&#8217;t see why you couldn&#8217;t like Guy Lombardo and Caruso and the Beatles and Barbra Streisand, and Joe Oliver and Jelly Roll Morton — he just thought it was all music.</p>
<p>The picture on the cover of my book was taken by Philippe Halsman in 1965. It is an outtake from a session that was photographed for the cover of LIFE, this very famous photo that everybody&#8217;s seen of Armstrong with his eyes popping and the horn pointing outward and he&#8217;s dressed in this tux. He looks wonderful and he looks like the Armstrong we all know.</p>
<p>In this photograph, Armstrong&#8217;s just standing there with a very enigmatic half-smile on his face, holding his horn, dressed beautifully, looking like a man who knows something that maybe we don&#8217;t know, a man who knows his complexity, the complications of his own personality, who has seen the world as it is and in a very deep sense has accepted the world as it is.</p>
<p>Armstrong is a man who is at peace with himself. At the very end of his life he sent a letter to a friend that I quote at the end of my book, where he says that &#8216;my whole life has been happiness and I love everybody.&#8217; And he wasn&#8217;t kidding, he really wasn&#8217;t kidding.</p>
<p>That kind of acceptance of the fundamental realities of life, not meaning that you don&#8217;t want life to be changed, but that you accept the world as it is, and decide that you&#8217;re going to make the best of it, that&#8217;s really at the heart of his character, and I think of his genius too. It allows him to take in all things in his music and his art, the sadness, the beauty, the joy, the comedy, and make them one.<br />
<h6><a  href="http://www.artsjournal.com/aboutlastnight/2007/01/about_terrys_new_book.html">Terry Teachout</a> in conversation with Chris Lydon, January 8, 2009</h6>
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		<title>Whose Words These Are (17): Henri Cole</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The poet <a  href="http://henricole.com/">Henri Cole</a> got his French first name from his Armenian mother.  From his father, a military man, he got his Southern speech and, in what sounds like sadness and irony, “a knack for solitude.”  Poetry was the place where as a young gay man he worked through yearning and anger to astringency and order.  French, Armenian and English were the languages of his home growing up in Virginia in the sixties and seventies.  “And hearing this braid of languages regularly spoken,” he has written, “heightened my sense of words as a kind of loge in which desires were illuminated, memory was recovered and poems would be assembled.”  On publication of <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Visible-Man-Poems-Henri-Cole/dp/0375703667">The Visible Man</a></i> in 2005, Harold Bloom pronounced Henri Cole &#8220;a central poet of his generation. The tradition of Wallace Stevens and Hart Crane is beautifully extended &#8230;  Keats and Hart Crane are presences here, and Henri Cole invokes them with true aesthetic dignity, which is the mark of nearly every poem in <i>The Visible Man</i>.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>I was an undergraduate student at the College of William and Mary in Virginia, and I was reading the novels that we all read &#8212; Woolf, James, Conrad.  These are novelists who, you might say they’re novelists of the interior – and that kind of transcript of the interior life in the novel somehow got me interested in how some version of that is achieved in a concentrated way in poetry. I grew up in a military and Catholic household, so I was used to rigid structure and passion you might say, the passion of the mass and the structure of conforming military uniforms.  My brothers were jocks and I didn’t really have a way to be myself, I guess I was probably looking for a way to be a man or masculine in some different way, and somehow poetry entered my life and it gave me a way to have a conversation.  It made me sociable, I wasn’t very sociable &#8212; I was a pretty shy undergraduate so it made me sociable&#8230; </p></blockquote>
<p>In Boston, now his home base, Henri Cole is reading to us mostly from his latest collection, <i>Blackbird and Wolf</i> (2007).  Listen to his &#8220;Dune&#8221; and consider Colm Toibin&#8217;s observation that &#8220;The self in his work is explored as a diver might explore the ocean bed, it is ready to be surprised, frightened, puzzled, while the world above the water is noted with something close to calm and half-remembered acceptance. Cole’s poems at times display an amazing eloquence and command of form, but they are usually also impelled by sorrow, by dark knowledge, by pleasure, by the body and its discontents, and by history and what it has left us. It is not surprising that he has invoked the language of prayer as being an early influence.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Our Proust Questionnaire</p>
<p>Q: Who is your favorite all-time fictional character?</strong></p>
<p>A: I remember reading a French novel called <a  href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0140182829?tag=juddsbookreviews&#038;camp=14573&#038;creative=327641&#038;linkCode=as1&#038;creativeASIN=0140182829&#038;adid=1JJ32DAK6D7HASGY8V4K&#038;">The Wanderer</a> when I was a young man, by Alain Fournier.  I don&#8217;t remember the character’s name, but let&#8217;s just call him the Wanderer.</p>
<p><strong>Q: What’s the quality above all that you look for in a poem?</strong></p>
<p>A: Two qualities: there has to be a commitment to emotional truth, and there has to be a little concerto of consonants and vowels.</p>
<p><strong>Q: What is your idea of a perfect poem?</strong></p>
<p>A: Almost every poem of Elizabeth Bishop&#8217;s. James Merrill has a poem called &#8220;<a  href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=179115">The Broken Home</a>&#8221; that I love.  In the Merrill poems, the thing I like so much is the combination of a high register of speech with total colloquial moments – I like that the poem has a range that can go from very high to very demotic in a few short lines.</p>
<p><strong>Q: Who do you write for?</strong></p>
<p>A: I don&#8217;t think too much about it. I am more committed to the truth and sound thing.  If you think about too many people in your head, that’s like having a bunch of guns pointed at you, and that will censor you I think. When I write a poem, I hope to be in conversation with Merrill, who hopes to be in conversation with Cavafy or Whitman, and it goes back and back to Horace. But I guess I am also aware of the need to push all of that out of my head and just write the poem that I want to write.</p>
<p><strong>Q: Who do you think of as fellow travelers in other media? Who is doing the work of Henri Cole&#8217;s spirit in a different way?</strong></p>
<p>A: I am probably most nurtured by visual art. I love<a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Paintings-Joan-Mitchell-Jane-Livingston/dp/0520235703"> Joan Mitchell</a>, <a  href="http://www.artnet.com/artist/2868/louise-bourgeois.html">Louise Bourgeois</a>, <a  href="http://www.artnet.com/artist/3803/vija-celmins.html">Vija Celmins</a>, <a  href="http://www.askart.com/AskART/N/alice_neel/alice_neel.aspx">Alice Neel</a>. I’ve collaborated with two great visual artists, <a  href="http://www.designboom.com/contemporary/holzer.html">Jenny Holze</a>r and <a  href="http://www.moma.org/interactives/exhibitions/2003/kikismith/">Kiki Smith</a>.  Visual artists tend to be freer than writers are.  Writers seem to have more boundaries – maybe it’s because making art is more physical, but they just seem freer.  Also in relation to public events, speaking to the moment in history.</p>
<p><strong>Q: What is the talent that you would most love to have, that you don&#8217;t yet?</strong></p>
<p>A: I would love to be able to fly. I would love to be able to sing and fly like a bird. That would be fantastic.</p>
<p><strong>Q: How would you like to die?</strong></p>
<p>A: Alone, in a way that is not painful for anybody that loves me.</p>
<p><strong>Q: What is the keynote of your personality as a poet?</strong></p>
<p>A: Empathy.</p>
<p><strong>Q: What is your motto?</strong></p>
<p>A: I like Henry James&#8217;s motto. &#8220;Be kind, be kind, be kind.&#8221;<br />
<h6>Henri Cole with Chris Lydon in Boston, 11.20.09.</h6>
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		<title>Whose Words These Are (15): Bloom&#8217;s Hart Crane</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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We&#8217;re in the &#8220;living labyrinth&#8221; of Harold Bloom&#8217;s astonishing memory here.
The great sage of New Haven is walking us through the dark, dense maze of his first and favorite poet, Hart Crane (1899 &#8211; 1932).
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<p>We&#8217;re in the &#8220;living labyrinth&#8221; of Harold Bloom&#8217;s astonishing memory here.</p>
<p>The great sage of New Haven is walking us through the dark, dense maze of his first and favorite poet, Hart Crane (1899 &#8211; 1932).</p>
<p>Take this as a sort of companion piece to go with <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/whose-words-these-are-7-vendlers-stevens/">Helen Vendler&#8217;s</a> reflections on her own &#8220;closest poet,&#8221; Wallace Stevens.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a preview, too, of Harold Bloom&#8217;s next big book, coming in Spring, 2010, just before his 80th birthday. <i>Living Labyrinth: Literature and Influence</i> will reconsider his famous grand argument in <i><a  href="http://www.times.com/books/98/11/01/specials/bloom-influence.html">The Anxiety of Influence</a></i> (1973) about poets and their precursors.</p>
<p>But the joy of this conversation for me is the generous, melting demonstration of Bloom&#8217;s theory and his method &#8212; tracing (with never a glance at text or note) the spidery links from Crane&#8217;s words and images back to Melville, Yeats, Milton, Spenser, Walter Pater, and The Song of Songs in the Hebrew Bible; with real-life anecdotes thrown in touching Hart Crane&#8217;s friend the photographer Walker Evans, and his devotee the playwright Tennessee Williams.  By the end of Harold Bloom&#8217;s living-room performance, one of Hart Crane&#8217;s most famous pieces, &#8220;The Broken Tower&#8221; makes a kind of music &#8212; madly, deeply in tune with Bud Powell&#8217;s &#8220;Un Poco Loco.&#8221; Listen for Professor Bloom&#8217;s laughing indulgence when I tell him that, of course, Harold, the living labyrinth is you!  &#8220;A nice trope, my boy.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Here, for before and after readings, is what Bloom calls Crane&#8217;s &#8220;death poem&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Broken Tower</p>
<p>The bell-rope that gathers God at dawn</p>
<p>Dispatches me as though I dropped down the knell</p>
<p>Of a spent day &#8211; to wander the cathedral lawn</p>
<p>From pit to crucifix, feet chill on steps from hell.</p>
<p>Have you not heard, have you not seen that corps</p>
<p>Of shadows in the tower, whose shoulders sway</p>
<p>Antiphonal carillons launched before</p>
<p>The stars are caught and hived in the sun&#8217;s ray?</p>
<p>The bells, I say, the bells break down their tower;</p>
<p>And swing I know not where. Their tongues engrave</p>
<p>Membrane through marrow, my long-scattered score</p>
<p>Of broken intervals… And I, their sexton slave!</p>
<p>Oval encyclicals in canyons heaping</p>
<p>The impasse high with choir. Banked voices slain!</p>
<p>Pagodas campaniles with reveilles out leaping-</p>
<p>O terraced echoes prostrate on the plain!…</p>
<p>And so it was I entered the broken world</p>
<p>To trace the visionary company of love, its voice</p>
<p>An instant in the wind (I know not whither hurled)</p>
<p>But not for long to hold each desperate choice.</p>
<p>My world I poured. But was it cognate, scored</p>
<p>Of that tribunal monarch of the air</p>
<p>Whose thighs embronzes earth, strikes crystal Word</p>
<p>In wounds pledges once to hope &#8211; cleft to despair?</p>
<p>The steep encroachments of my blood left me</p>
<p>No answer (could blood hold such a lofty tower</p>
<p>As flings the question true?) -or is it she</p>
<p>Whose sweet mortality stirs latent power?-</p>
<p>And through whose pulse I hear, counting the strokes</p>
<p>My veins recall and add, revived and sure</p>
<p>The angelus of wars my chest evokes:</p>
<p>What I hold healed, original now, and pure…</p>
<p>And builds, within, a tower that is not stone</p>
<p>(Not stone can jacket heaven) &#8211; but slip</p>
<p>Of pebbles, &#8211; visible wings of silence sown</p>
<p>In azure circles, widening as they dip</p>
<p>The matrix of the heart, lift down the eyes</p>
<p>That shrines the quiet lake and swells a tower…</p>
<p>The commodious, tall decorum of that sky</p>
<p>Unseals her earth, and lifts love in its shower.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>David Bromwich on Obama: Looking at Words Closely</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>It&#8217;s a measure of the change in the discourse that David Bromwich, Yale&#8217;s Sterling Professor of English who used to write op-ed in the New York Times, now keeps a sort of Times Watch in the <a  href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/searchG/?cx=partner-pub-3264687723376607%3Atlvacw-gkue&#038;cof=FORID%3A11&#038;ie=ISO-8859-1&#038;q=bromwich&#038;sa.x=21&#038;sa.y=6&#038;sa=Search">Huffington Post</a>, the <a  href="http://www.nybooks.com/archives/htsearch">New York Review of Books</a>, and the <a  href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/search?q=david+bromwich">London Review of Books</a>.  &#8220;I don&#8217;t have a particular grievance, or have it in for the Times,&#8221; Professor Bromwich says to me in conversation, &#8220;but they are an important mainstream paper, and the way they bent towards the war in Iraq, I think, was all-important in legitimating that war.  So they bear watching, and when no one else is minding that watch, I do it.&#8221;  He was the only writer I saw who broke through the &#8220;de mortuis&#8221; sentimentalism around the Times&#8217; late language meister <a  href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/william-safire-wars-made_b_307055.html">William Safire</a> to nail the propagandist and congenital war-monger: &#8220;the true Safire touch &#8212; clever, punchy, alliterative, demagogic.&#8221; In a more consequential &#8220;close reading&#8221; of the Times through <a  href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/war-fever-at-the-emtimese_b_327159.html">five days of late October</a>, Bromwich wrote: &#8220;the conclusion draws itself. The New York Times wants a large escalation in Afghanistan.&#8221;</p>
<p>David Bromwich seems to me better yet at Obama-watching than at press criticism.  He can write with penetration of Barack Obama as an American almost-literary invention, and he can make you feel you&#8217;re reading <a  href="http://www.h-net.org/~cervantes/csa/articf93/kunce.htm">Nabokov on Don Quixote</a> or <a  href="http://elsinore.ucsc.edu/delay/delayBloom.html">Harold Bloom on Hamlet</a>.  In our gab, Bromwich&#8217;s essentially sympathetic but distressed view is that Obama &#8220;is a capitive of the inertia of the use of American power that he inherits.&#8221;  To my taste, Bromwich does what the magisterial columnists of old like James Reston and Walter Lippman (the people I wanted to be when I grew up) used to do: pull the threads of news and impression and gossip and deep reading into a &#8220;mood of Washington&#8221; and some sense of where we&#8217;re going.  Sitting in New Haven, Bromwich comes at it with the training primarily of the literary man, a biographer of the critic William Hazlitt and prolific interpreter of Rousseau, Burke, Lincoln and Mill.  He adopted the old liberal prejudices when they were uncontested &#8212; in favor of peace, against torture; for civil liberties without cavil; for the republican virtues and constitutional standards.  Bromwich&#8217;s finished work has an often chilling clarity and eloquence I find nowhere else these days:</p>
<blockquote><p>Afghanistan is the largest and the most difficult crisis Obama confronts away from home. And here the trap was fashioned largely by himself. He said, all through the presidential campaign, that Iraq was the wrong war but Afghanistan was the right one. It was ‘a war of necessity’, he said this summer. And he has implied that he would accept his generals’ definition of the proper scale of such a war. Now it appears that Afghanistan is being lost, indeed that it cannot be controlled with fewer than half a million troops on the ground for a decade or more. The generals are for adding troops, as in Vietnam, in increments of tens of thousands. Their current request was leaked to Bob Woodward, who published it in the Washington Post on 21 September, after Obama asked that it be kept from the public for a longer interval while he deliberated. The leak was an act of military politics if not insubordination; its aim was to show the president the cost of resisting the generals.</p>
<p>The political establishment has lined up on their side: the addition of troops is said to be the most telling way Obama can show resoluteness abroad. This verdict of the Wall Street Journal, the Post and (with more circumspection) the New York Times was taken up by John McCain and Condoleezza Rice. If Obama declined at last to oppose Netanyahu on the settlement freeze, he will be far more wary of opposing General Petraeus, the commander of Centcom. Obama is sufficiently humane and sufficiently undeceived to take no pleasure in sending soldiers to their deaths for a futile cause. He will have to convince himself that, in some way still to be defined, the mission is urgent after all. Afghanistan will become a necessary war even if we do not know what marks the necessity. Robert Dole, an elder of the Republican Party, has said he would like to see Petraeus as the Republican candidate in 2012. Better to keep him in the field (this must be at least one of Obama’s thoughts) than to have him to run against.</p>
<p>For Obama to do the courageous thing and withdraw would mean having deployed against him the unlimited wrath of the mainstream media, the oil interest, the Israel lobby, the weapons and security industries, all those who have reasons both avowed and unavowed for the perpetuation of American force projection in the Middle East. If he fails to satisfy the request from General McChrystal – the specialist in ‘black ops’ who now controls American forces in Afghanistan – the war brokers will fall on Obama with as finely co-ordinated a barrage as if they had met and concerted their response. Beside that prospect, the calls of betrayal from the antiwar base that gave Obama his first victories in 2008 must seem a small price to pay. The best imaginable result just now, given the tightness of the trap, may be ostensible co-operation with the generals, accompanied by a set of questions that lays the groundwork for refusal of the next escalation. But in wars there is always a deep beneath the lowest deep, and the ambushes and accidents tend towards savagery much more than conciliation.<br />
<h6>David Bromwich, &#8220;Obama&#8217;s Delusion,&#8221; in the London Review of Books, 22 October 2009.  Read it all <a  href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n20/david-bromwich/obamas-delusion">here</a>.</h6>
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		<title>Whose Words These Are (10): Stephen Burt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In anticipation of the 2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival,  the question has been: where does poetry come from these days?  And where is it going?
<h4>Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with Stephen Burt. (39 minutes, 18 mb mp3)</h4>
Stephen Burt makes you think of Samuel Johnson and also &#8220;The Simpsons.&#8221; If Harold Bloom were a&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>In anticipation of the </em><a  href="http://masspoetry.org/">2009 Massachusetts Poetry Festival</a>, <em> the question has been: where does poetry come from these days?  And where is it going?</em></p>
<h4><a  href="http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Watson_Institute/Open_Source/RadioOpenSource-WhoseWordsTheseAre-Stephen_Burt.mp3">Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with Stephen Burt. (39 minutes, 18 mb mp3)</a></h4>
<p><strong><a  href="http://www.closecallswithnonsense.com/">Stephen Burt</a></strong> makes you think of <a  href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Samuel_Johnson_by_Joshua_Reynolds.jpg">Samuel Johnson</a> and also &#8220;The Simpsons.&#8221; If <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/at-home-with-harold-bloom-1-on-walt-whitman/">Harold Bloom</a> were a precocious thirty-something again, if he loved science fiction and underground rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll, if he wrote for <a  href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/11/RVBA19IOAH.DTL&#038;type=books">American newspapers</a> as well as the great <a  href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v24/n05/burt01_.html">London reviews</a>, if he kept <a  href="http://www.closecallswithnonsense.com/">blogs on contemporary poetry</a> and separately on his<a  href="http://www.accommodatingly.com/"> family life</a>, mightn&#8217;t he sound something like this?  Tenured and popular at Harvard, boyish Steve Burt seems to have read and formed a strong opinion on <i>everything</i> in print, in the same way <a  href="http://www.therestisnoise.com/">Alex Ross</a> of the New Yorker and <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Rest-Noise-Listening-Twentieth-Century/dp/0312427719/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1255114208&#038;sr=1-1">The Rest is Noise</a></i> seems to have heard and pronounced on every measure of music.  Burt also writes a lot of poetry &#8212; a lot of it playful, like Kermit the Frog&#8217;s &#8220;Self Portrait as Felt Amphibian,&#8221; but aiming also at a civic note, even a political vision as poets like <a  href="http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/117">Yeats</a> and <a  href="http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/10">Lowell</a> once did.  In conversation at the <a  href="http://www.grolierpoetrybookshop.org/">Grolier Poetry Book Shop</a> in Harvard Square, Steve Burt called his own sensibility more &#8220;modern&#8221; than &#8220;post-modern.&#8221;   It&#8217;s the modernist attitude, he says, that &#8220;if we read well enough, if we make our art good enough&#8221; we might yet resolve some of  the fear and disquiet of our times.</p>
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<blockquote><p><strong>Q: Who is your all time favorite character in fiction?</strong></p>
<p>A: Can I give you a list of finalists? Clarissa Dalloway. The older women in James Tiptree’s <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Brightness-Falls-Air-James-Tiptree/dp/0312854072">Brightness Falls from the Air</a></i>.  The computer programmer in Richard Powers’ <i><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Galatea-2-2-Novel-Richard-Powers/dp/0060976926">Galatea 2.2</a></i>.  Barry in Lorrie Moore’s <i><a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/09/20/specials/moore-frog.html">Frog Hospital</a></i>. Dorothea Casaubon née Brooke is quite hard to forget when you’ve read <i> Middlemarch</i>. Theophrastus Such, the wiser-than-you voice of George Eliot in her essays.</p>
<p><strong> Q: Which three poems would you take to a desert island?</strong></p>
<p>A: <a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Sphere-Form-Motion-R-Ammons/dp/0393313107">“Sphere”</a> by A.R. Ammons. “Paradise Lost” and I hope it would come with “Paradise Regained.” John Ashbery’s <a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Three-Poems-American-Poetry-Ahsbery/dp/0880012277">“Three Poems.”</a></p>
<p><strong>Q: What is the talent you’d most love to have that you don’t, yet?</strong></p>
<p>A: I would like to be a competent rock drummer.  Peter Prescott from the <a  href="http://www.myspace.com/volcanosuns">Volcano Suns</a>, maybe.</p>
<p><strong>Q: Who is doing Steve Burt’s work in another medium, perhaps in another century entirely?</strong></p>
<p>A: If I am doing what I want to do when I write about poetry for relatively large, rather than scholarly audiences, then I am doing something remotely like what <a  href="http://www.lacunae.com/">Douglas Wolk</a> has been doing for graphic novels and comic books, and what <a  href="http://www.therestisnoise.com/">Alex Ross</a> has been doing for composed music.</p>
<p><strong>Q: What is the keynote of your personality as a poet?</strong></p>
<p>A: I am the last person who would know… I’d want people to see a man writing poems that are clearly unlike one another and yet are all thoughtful and all sound like him.</p>
<p><strong>Q: When you walk down the street who do people think you are?</strong></p>
<p>A: Someone who is picking up his little guy. Someone who has either a three and a half year old next to me or a backpack full of books.</p>
<p><strong>Q: What quality do you love in a poem?</strong></p>
<p>A: Abandon, wild nuttiness, something that’s not already been done.  <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/index.php?s=helen+vendler">Helen Vendler</a> reminds you that poems want to be unklike one another.</p>
<p><strong>Q: What is your motto?</strong></p>
<p>A: “I’m not sure.”  That’s the motto.</p>
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<p>Stephen&#8217;s new book of poems is <em><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Parallel-Play-Stephen-Burt/dp/1555974376/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1255112307&#038;sr=1-3">Parallel Play</a></em>; he has published two other volumes, <a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Close-Calls-Nonsense-Reading-Poetry/dp/1555975216/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1255112307&#038;sr=1-1"><em>Close Calls with Nonsense</em></a> and <em><a  href="http://www.amazon.com/Forms-Youth-Twentieth-Century-Poetry-Adolescence/dp/0231141424/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1255112307&#038;sr=1-4">The Forms of Youth</a></em>.</p>
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		<title>A Moment for Oracles: Amber and Braunze</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the Obama rapture after South Carolina, what we wanted wasn&#8217;t experts (because there are none) or wiseguys (because Chris Matthews has them all).  We wanted oracles.
Then came an email from a listener in New York: &#8220;Give me Amber, or give me death&#8230;,&#8221; thirsting for that fabulous firehose of crystalline commentary from talk shows&#160; &#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Obama rapture after South Carolina, what we wanted wasn&#8217;t experts (because there are none) or wiseguys (because Chris Matthews has them all).  We wanted oracles.</p>
<p>Then came an email from a listener in New York: &#8220;Give me <a  href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lydondev/2004/07/27/forever-amber-2/">Amber</a>, or give me death&#8230;,&#8221; thirsting for that fabulous firehose of crystalline commentary from talk shows past.</p>
<p> And then Braunze himself called from Alabama &#8212; another heroic one-off thinker and talker whose call-in handle, like Amber&#8217;s, has the hue of an alloyed heart and mind.  Braunze, too, wanted to grope out-loud through scenes from a dream unfolding since the South Carolina went to the polls on Saturday.  Could it really be happening  &#8212; this regeneration of a demoralized world-nation?  This gathering momentum and spirit around an African-American candidacy in a campaign that refuses so far to be racialized?</p>
<p>And so we recorded these conversations which, if nothing else, memorialize the dim, dawning awareness of a great shift in all our perspectives on possibility.</p>
<h4><a  href="http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Watson_Institute/Open_Source/Amber_Bronze2.mp3">Click to listen to Chris&#8217;s conversation with Amber and Braunze here (44 minutes, 20 mb mp3) </a></h4>
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<p><a  href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lydondev/2004/07/27/forever-amber-2/">Amber</a>, if <a  href="http://media.skybuilders.com/Lydon/Amber.mp3"><i>this voice</i></a> is new to you, is a Barbadian orphan who has lived in proud poverty in Boston for more than a decade.  She has no &#8220;papers,&#8221; as they say, but the spirit of a cranky super-patriot.  In talk radio, we thrilled to hear &#8220;Amber is on the line.&#8221;  And people still ask me: &#8220;How&#8217;s Amber?&#8221; about the ferociously articulate caller who tangled on the air with the best (including Gore Vidal, Camille Paglia, William Safire, William F. Buckley and Harold Bloom) and bested them all. “What is Amber thinking?” people want to know.  “What is she thinking? Are you in touch?”  Well, we are ever in touch, and she is ever her indomitable, industrious, provocative self.   Here&#8217;s a touch of Amber this morning at the South Station stop on the Red Line subway through Boston:</p>
<blockquote><p>  Every day I&#8217;d go down to the edge of the water and stare way out at that horizon, and I was convinced at age 5 that America was just over that edge: terrifying, electrifying, important, deep, epic, beautiful, monstrous.  That&#8217;s what America was to me, still is&#8230; So much of this campaign, this man, is wrapped up in that once again.  I&#8217;m almost, almost &#8212; don&#8217;t get excited &#8212; almost a born-again American today.  It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m in love or in awe with Barack Obama.  It&#8217;s what his moment on the American stage means&#8230; It&#8217;s a second chance for this place&#8230; This country is my religion.  For someone who&#8217;s missed it&#8230; ached for it, I cannot begin to tell you how deliciously happy I am that this moment is here.<br />
<h6>&#8220;Amber,&#8221; in conversation with Chris Lydon in the morning transit rush-hour, Tuesday, January 29, 2008 </h6>
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<p>Braunze identifies himself as &#8220;an entrepreneur with insight.&#8221;  He&#8217;s lived his life between Birmingham and Boston, a business consultant with tentacles deep in the information technologies, and also a singer, jazz lyricist and Miles Davis devotee.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think that the dark cloud of just sadness and desperation &#8212; because you just can&#8217;t get there being a good guy &#8212; has been disproved by Barack Obama.  He is a good guy and he is making it.  His is kind of the Todd Clifton of America now &#8212; Todd Clifton from [Ralph Ellison's] <i>Invisible Man</i>.  Todd Clifton was a Harlem activist&#8230; eventually the symbol of hope in Ellison&#8217;s mythology.  Barack is that person in real life come to be.  It is almost as if Barack Obama was prophesied in Ellison&#8217;s famous line, &#8220;who knows but that on the lower frequencies I speak for you.&#8221;  I think Obama is speaking for those on the lower frequencies, those who&#8217;ve not had the opportunity to demonstrate what they can do.  I think that&#8217;s impacting <i>white</i> America, saying: hey, you know, we need to be a little bit more pro-active, those of us who believe, because if this guy can do it, we&#8217;re really, really underutilizing a lot of talent.<br />
<h6>&#8220;Braunze,&#8221; on the phone with Chris Lydon from Birmingham, Monday, January 28, 2008 </h6>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The Obama Moment: The radio oracles -- "Amber" and "Braunze" -- speak the feeling and what it means.]]></itunes:summary>
    	<itunes:author>Christopher Lydon</itunes:author>
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