Comments on: Steven Vincent, Basra and Iran http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:09:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Donklephant » Blog Archive » Steven Vincent’s Widow Speaks http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64283 Donklephant » Blog Archive » Steven Vincent’s Widow Speaks Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:39:29 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64283 [...] n Vincent’s death last week in fact. Now we find a very good podcast with his wife, Lisa Ramaci-Vincent. Definitely worth a listen if you have seve [...] [...] n Vincent’s death last week in fact. Now we find a very good podcast with his wife, Lisa Ramaci-Vincent. Definitely worth a listen if you have seve [...]

]]> By: Pros and Cons » The face of evil. http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64282 Pros and Cons » The face of evil. Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:14:11 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64282 [...] appeasers were all “objectively pro-Nazi”. Have you guys read the comments to this site linked on ours featuring a moving audio-interview with Steven Vincent&#8 [...] [...] appeasers were all “objectively pro-Nazi”. Have you guys read the comments to this site linked on ours featuring a moving audio-interview with Steven Vincent&#8 [...]

]]> By: Chapomatic » Interview With Mrs. Vincent http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64281 Chapomatic » Interview With Mrs. Vincent Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:02:00 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64281 [...] 8212; chap @ 9:03 pm I can’t listen to it now but will link it here–interview with the widow of Steven Vincent, murdered romantic. [...] [...] 8212; chap @ 9:03 pm

I can’t listen to it now but will link it here–interview with the widow of Steven Vincent, murdered romantic.

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]]> By: JamesFlynn http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64280 JamesFlynn Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:32:41 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64280 Christiaan, I'm loath to revisit this thread, but your comment is beneath contempt. I suspect you may not be for real, but just in case you're a sincere poster -- it's sickening that you would claim that Steven Vincent's skin colour, financial situation, or political pursuasion should make his murder "the best thing that can happen at this point", or in any way lessen the tragedy of his death, and I urge you to reconsider your opinion. Christiaan, I’m loath to revisit this thread, but your comment is beneath contempt. I suspect you may not be for real, but just in case you’re a sincere poster — it’s sickening that you would claim that Steven Vincent’s skin colour, financial situation, or political pursuasion should make his murder “the best thing that can happen at this point”, or in any way lessen the tragedy of his death, and I urge you to reconsider your opinion.

]]> By: Pros and Cons » R.I.P. Steven Vincent:Patriot, Journalist-Hero http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64279 Pros and Cons » R.I.P. Steven Vincent:Patriot, Journalist-Hero Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:56:56 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64279 [...] le/18409289@N00/"> The more I read about this guy, the more I like him. This recent interview with his wife is a must listen-to. After listening to her, I have much [...] [...] le/18409289@N00/”> The more I read about this guy, the more I like him. This recent interview with his wife is a must listen-to. After listening to her, I have much [...]

]]> By: Christiaan http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64278 Christiaan Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:32:02 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64278 Unfortunately deaths like Steven's are the best thing that can happen at this point. The more the better. It's not the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that will bring an end to American occupation (they're not even counted, literally) but thousands of dead Americans, preferably affluent and white. That he was a right-winger in support of the occupation is just the icing on the cake. Unfortunately deaths like Steven’s are the best thing that can happen at this point. The more the better. It’s not the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that will bring an end to American occupation (they’re not even counted, literally) but thousands of dead Americans, preferably affluent and white. That he was a right-winger in support of the occupation is just the icing on the cake.

]]> By: LeeJudt http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64277 LeeJudt Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:13:10 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64277 James: "No, that’s a hypothesis, not fact." Yes, it is. But it is a very strong hypothetical which coupled with the fact of Saddam's past behavior, his invasion of Qwait, his gassing of the Kurds, his attack on Iran, his paying money to the families of suicide bombers, etc. made his removal a matter of high priority. "The facts are - according to the 9/11 Commission - there is “[no] evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States�." The 911 commission wasn't asked to determine policy towards Iraq. "But this is an inappropriate forum for this conversation, and it’s a conversation that’s been run on thousands of message boards already." We agree there. James:

“No, that’s a hypothesis, not fact.”

Yes, it is. But it is a very strong hypothetical which coupled with the fact of Saddam’s past behavior, his invasion of Qwait, his gassing of the Kurds, his attack on Iran, his paying money to the families of suicide bombers, etc. made his removal a matter of high priority.

“The facts are – according to the 9/11 Commission – there is “[no] evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United Statesâ€?.”

The 911 commission wasn’t asked to determine policy towards Iraq.

“But this is an inappropriate forum for this conversation, and it’s a conversation that’s been run on thousands of message boards already.”

We agree there.

]]> By: JamesFlynn http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64276 JamesFlynn Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:04:26 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64276 Lee, You say of Saddam: "he would definately have made an alliance with the Islamo Fascists". No, that's a hypothesis, not fact. The facts are - according to the 9/11 Commission - there is "[no] evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States". I doubt you have better evidence than Congress. So the Bush Administration has brought the US into a war against a country which posed no military threat to the United States, had no WMD, and no connections to 9/11. You also say: "War can be fought on flimsy pretexts and won (or lost)". We completely agree on this point. We disagree, I imagine, on whether Bush went to war on flimsy pretexts. But this is an inappropriate forum for this conversation, and it's a conversation that's been run on thousands of message boards already. Lee,

You say of Saddam: “he would definately have made an alliance with the Islamo Fascists”.

No, that’s a hypothesis, not fact. The facts are – according to the 9/11 Commission – there is “[no] evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States”. I doubt you have better evidence than Congress.

So the Bush Administration has brought the US into a war against a country which posed no military threat to the United States, had no WMD, and no connections to 9/11.

You also say: “War can be fought on flimsy pretexts and won (or lost)”.

We completely agree on this point. We disagree, I imagine, on whether Bush went to war on flimsy pretexts.

But this is an inappropriate forum for this conversation, and it’s a conversation that’s been run on thousands of message boards already.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64275 Potter Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:34:01 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64275 I think it was Vali Nasr who was on last. He was just excellent. I have to say how impressed and grateful I am for the quality of the guests on this show but also on the other shows as well. I think it was Vali Nasr who was on last. He was just excellent. I have to say how impressed and grateful I am for the quality of the guests on this show but also on the other shows as well.

]]> By: LeeJudt http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64274 LeeJudt Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:33:38 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/stephen-vincent-basra-and-iran/#comment-64274 “Your post suggests the problem isn’t that the Bush sent the US to war on a lie (that there was clear evidence of WMD, etc, etc), but rather that the war didn’t turn a profit.� If that is what you got from my post, then I suggest you take up remedial reading. War can be fought on flimsy pretexts and won (or lost) or they can be fought on substantial moral high ground and lost or (won). The pretext for going to war and its manner of execution are two different issues. I supported the project of removing Saddam, what I don’t support is the shabby way in which the war is being executed. I also don’t support the administrations project of democratizing the Arab world. Democracy is a form of government that is difficult to maintain on the best of circumstances, but in the Arab world with its clans and its religious divisions its impossible. Why should one group have more power just because they have been more successful in demographic reproduction? This isn’t the introduction of the rule of law its sanctification of mob rule. “Your post suggests the problem isn’t that the Bush sent the US to war on a lie (that there was clear evidence of WMD, etc, etc), but rather that the war didn’t turn a profit.�

If that is what you got from my post, then I suggest you take up remedial reading.

War can be fought on flimsy pretexts and won (or lost) or they can be fought on substantial moral high ground and lost or (won).

The pretext for going to war and its manner of execution are two different issues.

I supported the project of removing Saddam, what I don’t support is the shabby way in which the war is being executed.

I also don’t support the administrations project of democratizing the Arab world. Democracy is a form of government that is difficult to maintain on the best of circumstances, but in the Arab world with its clans and its religious divisions its impossible.

Why should one group have more power just because they have been more successful in demographic reproduction? This isn’t the introduction of the rule of law its sanctification of mob rule.

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