Jazzman

Can one be called a genocide-denier even if they believe in the Holocaust or any other genocide? Can we have a ‘civil’ discussion and discuss if it’s the state who’s guilty, but why attack its citizens and individuals. If it’s the individuals who are guilty, then can we at least extend the courtesy of civility and non-argumentative debate to initiate conversation instead of forced acceptance. Or is this the same old technique I am so used to by now (humbly speaking) that is actually costing the Armenians scoring points. I am sure the Armenian cause is not happy being represented by the likes of such as demonstrated here. Just accept it or else attitude is not going to work! Turning this thread into a ‘fanatic’ environment is not appropriate for some of us who really need to move on. So much anger, hate, and disrespect is really not necessary.

They were an occupying power in Istanbul for 3 years and they could not find a single document to prove their point, believe me they probably tried so hard.

“There are in hands of Majesty�s government at Malta a number of Turks arrested for alleged complicity in the Armenian massacres. There are considerable difficulty in establishing proofs of guilt. Please ascertain if the United States government is in possession of any evidence that would be of value for the purpose of prosecution.�”

BritishArchives. PRO�F. 0. 371/

6500/ E.3552, Curzon to Geddes

Telegram No 176, dated March 31,

1921.

isn’t this funny above?? they were there 3 years to look for evidence and they cannot find it, they need help from USA!! Americans were not in charge of the archives or documents of ottomans at all!! desperate act isn’t it??!

and just read the SEVRES TREATY – it shows you what the plans for turkish people. put them in a small land with no sea access and give the rest of Turkey to Armenians, Greeks, British, French, Italians etc… That was the whole thing why Armenians ( not the whole population ofcourse) fought along side of French and Russians against their fellow citizens.

And for genocide accusation, one last comment, if it was a genocide, why the armenians in WESTERN TURKEY, never been touched? Definition of GENOCIDE is defined in International law, you can read it. just this fact alone would make this case thrown out of the Real courts if you were to sue.

“on a November 1993 Le Monde interview, Lewis said that the Ottoman Turks� killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 was not “genocide”, but the “brutal byproduct of war”.[10] Lewis himself argued that “the issue is not whether the massacres happened or not, but rather if these massacres were as a result of a deliberate preconceived decision of the Turkish government,” and that “there is no evidence for such a decision.”[11] A Parisian court interpreted his remarks as a denial of the Armenian Genocide and on June 21, 1995 fined him one franc. “

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/

How Armenians massacred civilians. why France does not legislate any laws for this too?? funny isnt it??

“Following a March 1992 massacre of Azerbaijanis at Khojali in Nagorno-Karabakh (a predominantly ethnic Armenian region within Azerbaijan), ”

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2909.htm

Humans are humans, does not matter who you are, if innocent people dies on both sides, you have to admit it.

here is a small list, i do not want to fill the space. FREEDOM OF THOUGHT will always win at the end.

they say there was NO GENOCIDE: ( JUST THIS PROVES THAT something is wrong with these claims. and also this professor of Sociology doet not know what she is talking about and should stick to sociology, and have other sinister reasons..probably, note that i say probably. not like them, accuse anyone with ease)

IFAAT ABOU-EL-HAJ Professor of History California State University at Long Beach

RODERIC DAVISON Professor of History George Washington University

SARAH MOMENT ATIS Professor of Turkish Language & Literature University of Wisconsin at Madison

WALTER DENNY Professor of Art History Associate & Near Eastern Studies University of Massachusetts

KARL BARBIR Associate Professor of History Siena College (New York)

DR. ALAN DUBEN Anthropologist, Researcher New York City

ILHAN BASGOZ Director of the Turkish Studies Program at the Department of Ural-Altaic Studies Indiana University

ELLEN ERVIN Research Assistant Professor of Turkish New York University

DANIEL G. BATES Professor of Anthropology Hunter College, City University of New York

CAESAR FARAH Professor of Islamic & Middle Eastern History University of Minnesota

ULKU BATES Professor of Art History Hunter College, City University of New York

CARTER FINDLEY Associate Professor of History The Ohio State University

GUSTAV BAYERLE Professor of Uralic & Altaic Studies Indiana University

MICHAEL FINEFROCK, Professor of History College of Charleston

ANDREAS G. E. BODROGLIGETTI Professor of Turkic & Iranian languages University of California at Los Angeles

ALAN FISHER Professor of History Michigan State University

KATHLEEN BURRILL Associate Professor of Turkish Studies Columbia University

CORNELL FLEISCHER Assistant Professor of History Washington University (Missouri)

TIMOTHY CHILDS Professorial Lecturer at SAIS, Johns Hopkins University

PETER GOLDEN Professor of History Rutgers University, Newark

SHAFIGA DAULET Associate Professor of Political Science University of Connecticut

TOM GOODRICH Professor of History Indiana University of Pennsylvania

JUSTIN McCARTHY Associate Professor of History University of Louisville

ANDREW COULD Ph.D. in Ottoman History Flagstaff, Arizona

JON MANDAVILLE Professor of the History of the Middle East Portland State University (Oregon)

MICHAEL MEEKER Professor of Anthropology University of California at San Diego

RHOADS MURPHEY Assistant Professor of Middle Eastern Languages, Cultures & History Columbia University

THOMAS NAFF Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research Institute University of Pennsylvania

PIERRE OBERLING Professor of History Hunter College of the City University of New York

WILLIAM OCHSENWALD Associate Professor of History Virginia Polytechnic Institute

ROBERT OLSON Associate Professor of History University of Kentucky

WILLIAM PEACHY Assistant Professor of the Judaic, Near Eastern Languages & Literatures The Ohio State University

DONALD QUATAERT Associate Professor of History University of Houston

HOWARD REED Professor of History University of Connecticut

WILLIAM GRISWOLD Professor of History Colorado State University

TIBOR HALASI-KUN Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies Columbia University

WILLIAM HICKMAN Associate Professor of Turkish University of California, Berkeley

J. C. HUREWITZ Professor of Government Emeritus Former Director of the Middle East Institute (1971-1984)Columbia University

JOHN HYMES Professor of History Glenville State College West Virginia

HALIL INALCIK University Professor of Ottoman History, Member of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences University of Chicago

RALPH JAECKEL Visiting Assistant Professor of Turkish University of California at Los Angeles

RONALD JENNINGS Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies University of Illinois

You may convince a few with impressive documents, as you continue to shirk the fact that an equally large number of Turks and Armenians died, but you will ultimately fail to convince those who you so desperately need to indoctrinate. Self-hate is not a Turkish habit.