Comments on: The Baghdad Wall http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:52:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: a wall round my heart buildin a wall inside http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89107 a wall round my heart buildin a wall inside Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:29:06 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89107 [...] ace process. ... No good comes from building a wall, no decent lasting, humane emotion. ...http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wallThe photo journal of peas and happ [...] [...] ace process. … No good comes from building a wall, no decent lasting, humane emotion. …http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wallThe photo journal of peas and happ [...]

]]> By: herbert browne http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89106 herbert browne Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:34:19 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89106 It's interesting, if a little sickening, how the U.S. sides with the most corrupt group (in this case, Fatah) in these"divide & conquer' struggles for its proxy, Israel. Hamas was elected by a fair process; and the U.S. & Israel refuse to abide by the law & give them money to which they're legally entitled. These stories of Hamas members shooting Fatah members "without any cause", apparently, bear studying. If the source of these stories is some "even-handed" American paper, let the believer beware! The New York Times' coverage of the first year of the intifada was carefully documented- and showed that 165 Iraely casualties resulted in 197 headlines (or first paragraphs) reporting Israelis killed (sometimes mentioning the same persons twice)- and the549 Palestinian casualties elicited similar coverage on 217 occasions. Of course, Palestinians no doubt have fewer relatives in the area covered by the NYT... so why highlight their deaths to the same level? I guess the jaw-dropper (for me) was that the reporting of the deaths of Israeli children was about identical to the coverage of Palestinian children deaths, even though 5 times as many Palestinian children died in that period. If Israel chooses to "annex the west bank and Gaza" they should do it without any help from U.S. public sector money. The idea that terrorists being "run out of the whole region" are going to simply evaporate somewhere in the desert is pretty funny... might make a good Hollywood movie... like a sequel to "The 10 Commandments" maybe... we could call it "The Unchosen"... ^..^ It’s interesting, if a little sickening, how the U.S. sides with the most corrupt group (in this case, Fatah) in these”divide & conquer’ struggles for its proxy, Israel. Hamas was elected by a fair process; and the U.S. & Israel refuse to abide by the law & give them money to which they’re legally entitled. These stories of Hamas members shooting Fatah members “without any cause”, apparently, bear studying. If the source of these stories is some “even-handed” American paper, let the believer beware! The New York Times’ coverage of the first year of the intifada was carefully documented- and showed that 165 Iraely casualties resulted in 197 headlines (or first paragraphs) reporting Israelis killed (sometimes mentioning the same persons twice)- and the549 Palestinian casualties elicited similar coverage on 217 occasions. Of course, Palestinians no doubt have fewer relatives in the area covered by the NYT… so why highlight their deaths to the same level? I guess the jaw-dropper (for me) was that the reporting of the deaths of Israeli children was about identical to the coverage of Palestinian children deaths, even though 5 times as many Palestinian children died in that period. If Israel chooses to “annex the west bank and Gaza” they should do it without any help from U.S. public sector money. The idea that terrorists being “run out of the whole region” are going to simply evaporate somewhere in the desert is pretty funny… might make a good Hollywood movie… like a sequel to “The 10 Commandments” maybe… we could call it “The Unchosen”… ^..^

]]> By: tbrucia http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89105 tbrucia Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:50:54 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89105 I suppose someone will next suggest putting a wall around every Hamas militant... uh, oh. They already have those... I think they are called jails. Or the alternative used in the West Bank might work... barbed wire enclosures around Jewish settlers, keeping them in their own little prisons scattered about the 'occupied territories'. What a world! Perhaps walls reflect something about human nature: fear and the willingness to make other persons fearful. Uh, oh. That's precisely the definition of cowards and of terrorists, locked in symbiotic embrace: one allowing his/her fears to rule, and the other using fear to rule. What a world! Where is the 21st century's Albert Camus? I suppose someone will next suggest putting a wall around every Hamas militant… uh, oh. They already have those… I think they are called jails. Or the alternative used in the West Bank might work… barbed wire enclosures around Jewish settlers, keeping them in their own little prisons scattered about the ‘occupied territories’. What a world! Perhaps walls reflect something about human nature: fear and the willingness to make other persons fearful. Uh, oh. That’s precisely the definition of cowards and of terrorists, locked in symbiotic embrace: one allowing his/her fears to rule, and the other using fear to rule. What a world! Where is the 21st century’s Albert Camus?

]]> By: rc21 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89104 rc21 Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:42:39 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89104 Hamas fighters have been taking members of Fatah out into the streets and massacering them even though the fatah members were saying don't shoot we are not Jews. Jimmy Carters friends sure don't seem very cooperative. My advice to Israel is either keep building. or better yet invade and run the terrorists out of the whole region annex the west bank and Gaza. Hamas fighters have been taking members of Fatah out into the streets and massacering them even though the fatah members were saying don’t shoot we are not Jews. Jimmy Carters friends sure don’t seem very cooperative. My advice to Israel is either keep building. or better yet invade and run the terrorists out of the whole region annex the west bank and Gaza.

]]> By: Takumi Ken http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89103 Takumi Ken Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:10:04 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89103 A wall may seem like a good idea, and in history we have seen it lead to protection. The Romans kept the Scots (Caledonians) out, Berm has effectively let West Sahara stay annexed, and Israel receives less attacks due to it, but is it really worth it in the long run? Walls such as these are put up to divide people, and while that may keep people safer for a period of time, it does nothing except to breed more problems or fear. Create a near fortress wall to separate Shiite and Sunni and all you will be doing is yelling out to the world you want to keep them as a whole from talking to each other or meeting up with each other. Should the British have built a wall to separate the waring Irish from each other when we had attacks and terrorist bombs? No, for we would not have the peace we have today helped caused by both sides talking to each other and meeting up. South and North Korea's do not have a great chance at peace are not the walls and mine fields for their long running war, but family from both sides meeting up and talking to each other do aid. The Long Walls of Thrace made it harder for Constantinople to be defended. If this "Baghdad Wall" is built, we may see the same for the forces that use it. Not because we shall face the problem of too few troops to cover such an area, but because it will become a symbol or hate and a target for more violence. The best part about the Berlin Wall, Hadrian's Wall, and Antonie Wall is they came down. Many Brits made houses out of the last two and artists sold work for more due to it being on ruins of the first. Walls can help, but ones such as these will only drive the wedge in farther and make it harder for any real peace between the same people with different forms of the religion and culture. A wall may seem like a good idea, and in history we have seen it lead to protection.

The Romans kept the Scots (Caledonians) out, Berm has effectively let West Sahara stay annexed, and Israel receives less attacks due to it, but is it really worth it in the long run?

Walls such as these are put up to divide people, and while that may keep people safer for a period of time, it does nothing except to breed more problems or fear.

Create a near fortress wall to separate Shiite and Sunni and all you will be doing is yelling out to the world you want to keep them as a whole from talking to each other or meeting up with each other.

Should the British have built a wall to separate the waring Irish from each other when we had attacks and terrorist bombs? No, for we would not have the peace we have today helped caused by both sides talking to each other and meeting up.

South and North Korea’s do not have a great chance at peace are not the walls and mine fields for their long running war, but family from both sides meeting up and talking to each other do aid.

The Long Walls of Thrace made it harder for Constantinople to be defended.

If this “Baghdad Wall” is built, we may see the same for the forces that use it.

Not because we shall face the problem of too few troops to cover such an area, but because it will become a symbol or hate and a target for more violence.

The best part about the Berlin Wall, Hadrian’s Wall, and Antonie Wall is they came down. Many Brits made houses out of the last two and artists sold work for more due to it being on ruins of the first.

Walls can help, but ones such as these will only drive the wedge in farther and make it harder for any real peace between the same people with different forms of the religion and culture.

]]> By: tbrucia http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89102 tbrucia Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:33:08 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89102 A favorite Far Side cartoon: Three fish stand outside a spherical fishbowl -- in the air -- standing on their back fins. The little house inside the fishbowl is in full flames, and the flames are streaming out of the water. One fish turns to the other and says, 'We're screwed now!' -- This always reminds me of Israel, for some reason. A favorite Far Side cartoon: Three fish stand outside a spherical fishbowl — in the air — standing on their back fins. The little house inside the fishbowl is in full flames, and the flames are streaming out of the water. One fish turns to the other and says, ‘We’re screwed now!’ — This always reminds me of Israel, for some reason.

]]> By: rc21 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89101 rc21 Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:54:28 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89101 Palestinian terrorists again this week have attacked Israel, and also have been lobbing rockets into civillian areas. KEEP BUILDING. Palestinian terrorists again this week have attacked Israel, and also have been lobbing rockets into civillian areas.

KEEP BUILDING.

]]> By: valkyrie607 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89100 valkyrie607 Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:11 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89100 During a conversation with a friend about crossing borders... "I hate borders. They're stupid." "Why?" "They preserve the illusion that we're not all sharing the same planet. That we can separate our fates from each other." During a conversation with a friend about crossing borders…

“I hate borders. They’re stupid.”

“Why?”

“They preserve the illusion that we’re not all sharing the same planet. That we can separate our fates from each other.”

]]> By: nother http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89099 nother Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:22:49 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89099 So sorry about this, but I screwed up on an important sentence: "It is working through an invisible iron wall that seems to stand between what one feels and what one can do." I'll go to bed now... So sorry about this, but I screwed up on an important sentence:

“It is working through an invisible iron wall that seems to stand between what one feels and what one can do.”

I’ll go to bed now…

]]> By: nother http://www.radioopensource.org/the-baghdad-wall/#comment-89098 nother Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:18:41 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1068#comment-89098 It didn't work with the HTML, but the words he underlined were: "feels", "can do", and "willed." It didn’t work with the HTML, but the words he underlined were: “feels”, “can do”, and “willed.”

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