Comments on: The Ecstasy of Influence http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:09:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Ecstasy of Influence: A Plagiarism Mosaic « Fernanda's Blog http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83928 The Ecstasy of Influence: A Plagiarism Mosaic « Fernanda's Blog Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:56:07 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83928 [...] “But this is more than a stunt” to there is no “creating.” From Christopher Lydon’s Open Source: http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/ [...] [...] “But this is more than a stunt” to there is no “creating.” From Christopher Lydon’s Open Source: http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/ [...]

]]> By: Ruling Imagination: Law and Creativity » Blog Archive » Without borrowing, stealing, cribbing, remixing, mashing-up, collaging and compiling - without influences great and small, in other words - there is no “creating.” http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83927 Ruling Imagination: Law and Creativity » Blog Archive » Without borrowing, stealing, cribbing, remixing, mashing-up, collaging and compiling - without influences great and small, in other words - there is no “creating.” Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:24:13 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83927 [...] From Open Source: Nearly every word of [Lethem's] essay about cultural borrowing and reworking was stolen - er, appropriated - from some other source and then cobbled together with a big dose of Lethem magic to form a cohesive whole. Even the “I”s aren’t Jonathan Lethem; they’re Jonathan Rosen writing in The Talmud and the Internet about John Donne, or William Gibson in a Wired article about William Burroughs, or David Foster Wallace on a grad school seminar, or Brian Wilson in a Beach Boys song. [...] [...] From Open Source: Nearly every word of [Lethem's] essay about cultural borrowing and reworking was stolen – er, appropriated – from some other source and then cobbled together with a big dose of Lethem magic to form a cohesive whole. Even the “I”s aren’t Jonathan Lethem; they’re Jonathan Rosen writing in The Talmud and the Internet about John Donne, or William Gibson in a Wired article about William Burroughs, or David Foster Wallace on a grad school seminar, or Brian Wilson in a Beach Boys song. [...]

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]]> By: fsfsylviaadrian » Blog Archive » THE OPEN - The Silent Hours http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83925 fsfsylviaadrian » Blog Archive » THE OPEN - The Silent Hours Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:43:04 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83925 [...] government. The Real XML Number excluding Charles F. Goldfarb. C Bridle Lazy stream, NJ: The Open TheSilent Hours Close MyEyes Bring MeDown Lost Forgotten Daybreak Just Want T [...] [...] government. The Real XML Number excluding Charles F. Goldfarb. C Bridle Lazy stream, NJ: The Open TheSilent Hours Close MyEyes Bring MeDown Lost Forgotten Daybreak Just Want T [...]

]]> By: Copying and Art at Kenneth Sherwood http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83924 Copying and Art at Kenneth Sherwood Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:03:48 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83924 [...] ls and constraints of a new performance space … the flat panel of the liquid crystal display. http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/ http://harpers.org/TheEcstasyOfInfluence.html Post a Com [...] [...] ls and constraints of a new performance space … the flat panel of the liquid crystal display. http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/ http://harpers.org/TheEcstasyOfInfluence.html Post a Com [...]

]]> By: » Textbook for the School of Rock-Chapter II « Pretty Good on Paper-I Know http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83923 » Textbook for the School of Rock-Chapter II « Pretty Good on Paper-I Know Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:52:59 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83923 [...] 17;s Open Source is taping a show on this idea tonight, which has a comment thread running here.? So you could check that out, too.? This entry [...] [...] 17;s Open Source is taping a show on this idea tonight, which has a comment thread running here.? So you could check that out, too.?

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]]> By: links for 2007-03-18 « Zero influence http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83922 links for 2007-03-18 « Zero influence Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:28:38 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83922 [...] Video itself is released under an open licence. (tags: opensource CreativeCommons video) Open Source » Blog Archive » The Ecstasy of Influence But this is more than a stunt. I [...] [...] Video itself is released under an open licence. (tags: opensource CreativeCommons video) Open Source » Blog Archive » The Ecstasy of Influence But this is more than a stunt. I [...]

]]> By: content source » Blog Archive » The Ecstasy of Influence http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83921 content source » Blog Archive » The Ecstasy of Influence Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:13:59 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83921 [...] hat follows in this post will be nearly as interesting. Go ahead. … Original post by David This entry was posted on Wednesday, D [...] [...] hat follows in this post will be nearly as interesting. Go ahead. … Original post by David This entry was posted on Wednesday, D [...]

]]> By: Skanky Jane http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83920 Skanky Jane Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:29:49 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83920 I'm with mt's reading of Lethem's article i.e. he's not suggesting Microsoft work for free but calling our attention to the tragedy of an overly commodified art. I also read the "Digital Resistance" article left by another poster here (thank you). This article points out that the ideal of anti-copyright may not be terribly practicle or consoling for those "on the ground" and may result in the garret artist. I agree with that but feel the article doens't go far enough in exploring alternatives. For me, there needs to be some negotiation toward a solution which is neither having to work for free or copyrighting madness. And what if it isn't about money? Or copyright? Is there a way to acknowledge the reality of intertexuality and influence while at the same time describing some ethical standards? I guess these things are always going to be a little ambiguous. I felt really ripped off recently and it certainly did not feel flattering. it wasn't about money and my work wasn't copyrighted. I just felt burnt, stolen from and miserable. A very nasty vibe it is to be struck by a "taker". "The way we treat a thing can change its nature, though." I believe gifts can be treated in a way they should not be treated. I believe that even something free can be stolen. Like the land for instance (and Lethem mentions this kind of theft). I would like to be really big/spiritua/postmodern/philosophical when someone tramples my gift and burns me in the process, but I'm just not. Instead I want to protect myself and my gift and show the thief that there are some boundaries - slippery as they may be to situate. SJ xx I’m with mt’s reading of Lethem’s article i.e. he’s not suggesting Microsoft work for free but calling our attention to the tragedy of an overly commodified art.

I also read the “Digital Resistance” article left by another poster here (thank you).

This article points out that the ideal of anti-copyright may not be terribly practicle or consoling for those “on the ground” and may result in the garret artist. I agree with that but feel the article doens’t go far enough in exploring alternatives.

For me, there needs to be some negotiation toward a solution which is neither having to work for free or copyrighting madness.

And what if it isn’t about money? Or copyright? Is there a way to acknowledge the reality of intertexuality and influence while at the same time describing some ethical standards? I guess these things are always going to be a little ambiguous.

I felt really ripped off recently and it certainly did not feel flattering. it wasn’t about money and my work wasn’t copyrighted. I just felt burnt, stolen from and miserable. A very nasty vibe it is to be struck by a “taker”.

“The way we treat a thing can change its nature, though.”

I believe gifts can be treated in a way they should not be treated. I believe that even something free can be stolen. Like the land for instance (and Lethem mentions this kind of theft). I would like to be really big/spiritua/postmodern/philosophical when someone tramples my gift and burns me in the process, but I’m just not. Instead I want to protect myself and my gift and show the thief that there are some boundaries – slippery as they may be to situate.

SJ xx

]]> By: dig http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ecstasy-of-influence/#comment-83919 dig Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:14:53 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=913#comment-83919 [...] 4 am Filed under: open source Jonathan Lethem argues for the open source of ideas. Radio Open Source discusses it. Casual discusions about art s [...] [...] 4 am
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