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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ghost-in-your-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-46496</link>
		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wont post on Arendt thread - but here it is for future reference!

â€¦.semantics and parsing are perhaps symptoms of  a lack of a gestalt understanding of things.

Arendt says:
thought = deep 
good = deep 

This is not to say thought  = good

Nick says:
 empathy = </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wont post on Arendt thread &#8211; but here it is for future reference!</p>
<p>â€¦.semantics and parsing are perhaps symptoms of  a lack of a gestalt understanding of things.</p>
<p>Arendt says:<br />
thought = deep<br />
good = deep </p>
<p>This is not to say thought  = good</p>
<p>Nick says:<br />
 empathy =</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ghost-in-your-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-46493</link>
		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taleb says that investors have an inability to understand probability within the context of time.

Tom, 

80% chance you get no response..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taleb says that investors have an inability to understand probability within the context of time.</p>
<p>Tom, </p>
<p>80% chance you get no response..</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fable: A successful stockbroker tells half his customers that stock A will go up, and tells the other half that it will go down.  He asks ALL of his cutomers to give him the name of three friends if their stock goes up... He repeats this process with stock B, then with stock C, and so on....  He eventually ends up on national television due to his phenomenal success and reputation for bringing in new customers.... Why?  Or try this one on a friend and see how long it takes for them to catch on:  &#039;There&#039;s a great sale on!  You pay double for the first widget -- BUT THE SECOND ONE IS FREE!&#039;  This ad actually played and was a success....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fable: A successful stockbroker tells half his customers that stock A will go up, and tells the other half that it will go down.  He asks ALL of his cutomers to give him the name of three friends if their stock goes up&#8230; He repeats this process with stock B, then with stock C, and so on&#8230;.  He eventually ends up on national television due to his phenomenal success and reputation for bringing in new customers&#8230;. Why?  Or try this one on a friend and see how long it takes for them to catch on:  &#8216;There&#8217;s a great sale on!  You pay double for the first widget &#8212; BUT THE SECOND ONE IS FREE!&#8217;  This ad actually played and was a success&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ghost-in-your-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-46482</link>
		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his book, Fooled by Randomness, Taleb mentions ergodicity.
Ergodicity, as it relates to stock trading, says that over a longer time frame, everything â€˜grades to the meanâ€™. The mean is found by applying linear regression to a stock chart.

Re the iPod: this would be an interesting area to look. Is the iPodâ€™s random generator hitting some kind of â€˜meanâ€™?

Most of what you will hear here falls under the rubric of â€˜pattern selection biasâ€™.

The best example is when survivors of an airplane accident say they knew it was going to  happen.

If you are not too distracted when boarding a plane, you will notice the crash thought cross your mind â€“ it is almost unavoidable to have that thought. When there is an accident, you reference that thought and bingo ! you knew it was going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his book, Fooled by Randomness, Taleb mentions ergodicity.<br />
Ergodicity, as it relates to stock trading, says that over a longer time frame, everything â€˜grades to the meanâ€™. The mean is found by applying linear regression to a stock chart.</p>
<p>Re the iPod: this would be an interesting area to look. Is the iPodâ€™s random generator hitting some kind of â€˜meanâ€™?</p>
<p>Most of what you will hear here falls under the rubric of â€˜pattern selection biasâ€™.</p>
<p>The best example is when survivors of an airplane accident say they knew it was going to  happen.</p>
<p>If you are not too distracted when boarding a plane, you will notice the crash thought cross your mind â€“ it is almost unavoidable to have that thought. When there is an accident, you reference that thought and bingo ! you knew it was going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ghost-in-your-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-46475</link>
		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most every stock has a message board such as Yahoo, Investor Village, Raging Bull, Silicon Investor, etc.

The only way to know what a share price will do is to listen to conference calls, build a financial model, and convert that info into a future share price Having done that I can tell you that the information on financial message boards is clueless.
Donâ€™t get me wrong, the people who post there are very bright people. Nonetheless, they spend their message board time being fooled by randomness and making up theories regarding a â€˜single manipulative entityâ€™.

In October 2006, I stopped trading a particular stock. I told many people that the company would miss their earnings estimates at the year end earnings release in 2007 and I told them that the president would be fired.

 Almost six-months have gone by and now I am getting e-mails from some who listened + sold, and some who listened + didnâ€™t sell â€“ they are congratulating me on making such a prescient call.

The bizarre thing: no one has asked me how I knew.

fooled by randomnessâ€¦lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most every stock has a message board such as Yahoo, Investor Village, Raging Bull, Silicon Investor, etc.</p>
<p>The only way to know what a share price will do is to listen to conference calls, build a financial model, and convert that info into a future share price Having done that I can tell you that the information on financial message boards is clueless.<br />
Donâ€™t get me wrong, the people who post there are very bright people. Nonetheless, they spend their message board time being fooled by randomness and making up theories regarding a â€˜single manipulative entityâ€™.</p>
<p>In October 2006, I stopped trading a particular stock. I told many people that the company would miss their earnings estimates at the year end earnings release in 2007 and I told them that the president would be fired.</p>
<p> Almost six-months have gone by and now I am getting e-mails from some who listened + sold, and some who listened + didnâ€™t sell â€“ they are congratulating me on making such a prescient call.</p>
<p>The bizarre thing: no one has asked me how I knew.</p>
<p>fooled by randomnessâ€¦lol</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-ghost-in-your-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-46467</link>
		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure,  post spreadsheet.

If this doesnâ€™t define an example of  apopheniaâ€¦.
////Six months of logging shuffles later, Ore still hasnâ€™t caught the ghost in his machine. But the hunt has made him even more sure that â€œshuffleâ€ doesnâ€™t quite mean â€œrandomâ€:\\\ 

This from the book of Toli re writings:
///â€¦.an organizing principle to what were often cacophonous outpourings.\\\

Why not with songs? 

Hereâ€™s an example of the essence of what I do:

Girl From Ipanema (Astrid Gilberto version)
Blue Pacific
Dragonfly Summer

See the image? A girl, the beach, summer?
Too much symmetry for me so the final sequence looks like this:

Girl From Ipanema 
Blue Pacific
Long Slow Distance
Dragonfly Summer

Why three Michael Franks songs? That is enough and I am ready to move on to another artist/sequence .

The sequences are asymmetrical - not all the sequences are pictorial I might have (in the genre rock â€“ American) sequences somewhat chronological. For example: genre rock â€“ American - 60â€™s - love songs -  Jefferson Starship.

Also avoid tempo symmetry among sequences as much as possible 

Each disc is 14 hours long and I mostly donâ€™t remember which sequence is next, but once in the sequence, memory and imagery flowâ€¦.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure,  post spreadsheet.</p>
<p>If this doesnâ€™t define an example of  apopheniaâ€¦.<br />
////Six months of logging shuffles later, Ore still hasnâ€™t caught the ghost in his machine. But the hunt has made him even more sure that â€œshuffleâ€ doesnâ€™t quite mean â€œrandomâ€:\\\ </p>
<p>This from the book of Toli re writings:<br />
///â€¦.an organizing principle to what were often cacophonous outpourings.\\\</p>
<p>Why not with songs? </p>
<p>Hereâ€™s an example of the essence of what I do:</p>
<p>Girl From Ipanema (Astrid Gilberto version)<br />
Blue Pacific<br />
Dragonfly Summer</p>
<p>See the image? A girl, the beach, summer?<br />
Too much symmetry for me so the final sequence looks like this:</p>
<p>Girl From Ipanema<br />
Blue Pacific<br />
Long Slow Distance<br />
Dragonfly Summer</p>
<p>Why three Michael Franks songs? That is enough and I am ready to move on to another artist/sequence .</p>
<p>The sequences are asymmetrical &#8211; not all the sequences are pictorial I might have (in the genre rock â€“ American) sequences somewhat chronological. For example: genre rock â€“ American &#8211; 60â€™s &#8211; love songs &#8211;  Jefferson Starship.</p>
<p>Also avoid tempo symmetry among sequences as much as possible </p>
<p>Each disc is 14 hours long and I mostly donâ€™t remember which sequence is next, but once in the sequence, memory and imagery flowâ€¦.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Rosario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence Rosario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koranteng, LumiÃ¨re: See, the funny thing is this isn&#039;t just a *perception* of patterns. There are legitimate streaks, and my logging of shuffled songs shows a disproportionate propensity towards some songs, artists or albums. On an endless timeline, certainly patterns become less meaningful. But in 6 months, the fact that one song is played 4 times while other songs -- that are favorites of mine -- are ignored...perhaps this belies something deeper.

Happy to share a boring spreadsheet with anyone who cares to do more data analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koranteng, LumiÃ¨re: See, the funny thing is this isn&#8217;t just a *perception* of patterns. There are legitimate streaks, and my logging of shuffled songs shows a disproportionate propensity towards some songs, artists or albums. On an endless timeline, certainly patterns become less meaningful. But in 6 months, the fact that one song is played 4 times while other songs &#8212; that are favorites of mine &#8212; are ignored&#8230;perhaps this belies something deeper.</p>
<p>Happy to share a boring spreadsheet with anyone who cares to do more data analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
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		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koranteng:

My discs are superior to randomness b/c they are &#039;thematic&#039; serendipity arranged chronologically and punctuated with asymmetric tempo changes

wish me luck â€¦.Iâ€™m starting the book of Toli</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koranteng:</p>
<p>My discs are superior to randomness b/c they are &#8216;thematic&#8217; serendipity arranged chronologically and punctuated with asymmetric tempo changes</p>
<p>wish me luck â€¦.Iâ€™m starting the book of Toli</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
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		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fooled by Randomness is by Nassim  Taleb (sp)

Iâ€™ve read it - excellent insights for stock traders</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fooled by Randomness is by Nassim  Taleb (sp)</p>
<p>Iâ€™ve read it &#8211; excellent insights for stock traders</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
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		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help me -  this is definitely the right thread for Apophenia !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help me &#8211;  this is definitely the right thread for Apophenia !!</p>
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		<title>By: Koranteng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koranteng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I called this fugitive notion &lt;a href=&quot;http://koranteng.blogspot.com/2004/07/shuffle-serendipity.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shuffle serendipity&lt;/a&gt; a few years ago although that coinage hasn&#039;t hit its tipping point. We are destined (or perhaps physiologically predestined) to seek out patterns to make sense of things. If it is indeed our fate to find such patterns, it is great when they illuminate some greater truth. There is joy in whimsy and small things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called this fugitive notion <a href="http://koranteng.blogspot.com/2004/07/shuffle-serendipity.html" rel="nofollow">shuffle serendipity</a> a few years ago although that coinage hasn&#8217;t hit its tipping point. We are destined (or perhaps physiologically predestined) to seek out patterns to make sense of things. If it is indeed our fate to find such patterns, it is great when they illuminate some greater truth. There is joy in whimsy and small things.</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
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		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooooooooooops !  wrong thread... enjoy !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooooooooooops !  wrong thread&#8230; enjoy !</p>
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		<title>By: LumiÃ¨re</title>
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		<dc:creator>LumiÃ¨re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apophenia

Apophenia is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data. The term was coined in 1958 by Klaus Conrad, who defined it as the â€œunmotivated seeing of connectionsâ€ accompanied by a â€œspecific experience of an abnormal meaningfulnessâ€.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

Apophenia: In psychology, the perception of connections and meaningfulness in unrelated things. Apophenia can be a normal phenomenon or an abnormal one, as in paranoid schizophrenia when the patient sees ominous patterns where there are none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apophenia</p>
<p>Apophenia is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data. The term was coined in 1958 by Klaus Conrad, who defined it as the â€œunmotivated seeing of connectionsâ€ accompanied by a â€œspecific experience of an abnormal meaningfulnessâ€.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia</a></p>
<p>Apophenia: In psychology, the perception of connections and meaningfulness in unrelated things. Apophenia can be a normal phenomenon or an abnormal one, as in paranoid schizophrenia when the patient sees ominous patterns where there are none.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an affordable Sony Walkman in lieu of an ipod, so I can only offer the following observation: even when the Walkman has a choice of 600 (or so) songs on one of the (proprietary) &#039;Atrac&#039; CDs I burn for my listening pleasure, it favors the same few dozen songs over the rest.  I can subvert this tendency by hitting the &#039;Next Track&#039; option a time or three running, because that seems to kick it out of its &#039;favorites&#039; pattern.
But doing even that is irritating.  After all, if you&#039;ve included 600 songs on your CD, it&#039;s probably because you&#039;d like to hear ALL OF THEM before having to endure repeats.
Doncha think?
What kind of rocks are rattling around in the heads of the &#039;shuffle&#039; programers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an affordable Sony Walkman in lieu of an ipod, so I can only offer the following observation: even when the Walkman has a choice of 600 (or so) songs on one of the (proprietary) &#8216;Atrac&#8217; CDs I burn for my listening pleasure, it favors the same few dozen songs over the rest.  I can subvert this tendency by hitting the &#8216;Next Track&#8217; option a time or three running, because that seems to kick it out of its &#8216;favorites&#8217; pattern.<br />
But doing even that is irritating.  After all, if you&#8217;ve included 600 songs on your CD, it&#8217;s probably because you&#8217;d like to hear ALL OF THEM before having to endure repeats.<br />
Doncha think?<br />
What kind of rocks are rattling around in the heads of the &#8217;shuffle&#8217; programers?</p>
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