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	<title>Comments on: The Indispensable Musician: Barenboim Backstage</title>
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		<title>By: potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orangescissor (would that be Fiskar?) I agree- Barenboim &amp; other artists can and do have deep insights- I would include Makiya and Anna Deveare Smith as well. Also and coincidentally I read an excellent interview of Rashid Khalidi by Akiva Eldar in this weekend&#039;s Haaretz which I recommend:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=1043689&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Obama&#039;s Palestinian friend laments...&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

One reason I can offer for these insights is that involvement in the creative act, living the creative life, does this. It puts enough of a distance and perspective into play and a sort of neutrality. I guess this means also the certain knowledge that we are one and connected.

When Barenboim &quot;free-associates&quot; I hear it as the result of what he has internalized from his experiences and encounters. This is plus reflection and mixed with deep emotion about his own identity and the need to reach beyond it- even to Wagner enough to compartmentalize and rationalize Wagner&#039;s anti-Semitism. Many jews will not listen to Wagner. ( My mother is not one of them). Barenboim speaks a wisdom and ( like Khalidi) a lament about the way things are, seem to be going, and seem not likely to change without much more suffering.

For direction- or maybe just solace, we should look to art and artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orangescissor (would that be Fiskar?) I agree- Barenboim &amp; other artists can and do have deep insights- I would include Makiya and Anna Deveare Smith as well. Also and coincidentally I read an excellent interview of Rashid Khalidi by Akiva Eldar in this weekend&#8217;s Haaretz which I recommend:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=1043689" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Obama&#8217;s Palestinian friend laments&#8230;&#8221;</a></p>
<p>One reason I can offer for these insights is that involvement in the creative act, living the creative life, does this. It puts enough of a distance and perspective into play and a sort of neutrality. I guess this means also the certain knowledge that we are one and connected.</p>
<p>When Barenboim &#8220;free-associates&#8221; I hear it as the result of what he has internalized from his experiences and encounters. This is plus reflection and mixed with deep emotion about his own identity and the need to reach beyond it- even to Wagner enough to compartmentalize and rationalize Wagner&#8217;s anti-Semitism. Many jews will not listen to Wagner. ( My mother is not one of them). Barenboim speaks a wisdom and ( like Khalidi) a lament about the way things are, seem to be going, and seem not likely to change without much more suffering.</p>
<p>For direction- or maybe just solace, we should look to art and artists.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear UnderDog et al:

The sound is restored, and it&#039;s really, really good.  Sorry about the interruption.

Chris Lydon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear UnderDog et al:</p>
<p>The sound is restored, and it&#8217;s really, really good.  Sorry about the interruption.</p>
<p>Chris Lydon</p>
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		<title>By: UnderDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnderDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I click on the link to listen to Barenboim interview and it says -- page not found.

Wassup?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I click on the link to listen to Barenboim interview and it says &#8212; page not found.</p>
<p>Wassup?</p>
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		<title>By: Osvaldo R. Agatiello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Osvaldo R. Agatiello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baremboim makes sense of Mark Twain&#039;s quip that &quot;Wagner&#039;s music is better than it sounds&quot;. Or resounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baremboim makes sense of Mark Twain&#8217;s quip that &#8220;Wagner&#8217;s music is better than it sounds&#8221;. Or resounds.</p>
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		<title>By: orangescissor</title>
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		<dc:creator>orangescissor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a lot to think about this morning in Daniel Barenboim suggestion we should try to understand how the notes of history, like in a musical compositions, are deeply entangled in a larger score with a seemingly uncontainable range of meanings or interpretations. I appreciate the idea of seeing how creative perspectives inform seemingly &quot;political&quot; problems--especially his idea that if economists understood the relationships between notes and a larger score, they might have paid attention to the dissonance between virtual market speculation and the global productive apparatus. Instead of endowing &#039;great men&#039; economists like Greenspan with some mystical power to explain the world better than anyone else, listening to other voices in our culture might have slowed down this manic desire to exorcise historical complexities through some post-ideological neo-liberal new world order that still doesn&#039;t really make much sense.

The discussion&#039;s intermezzo sounds to me like an improvisation in uncharted territory when Barenboim free-associates on the relationships between Palestinians and Jews...but a nice change in tone that recognizes the similar resentments and desires we might have in common with other people as a way to make the case for mediation between rather than compartmentalization of people and societies. Without facing the historical differences, and the questions of historical interpretation that they bring, we might again look to magical economic or post-political solutions that if anything take us further and further away from disentangling conflicts that are embedded in the history of the world&#039;s cultures. 

To rewind the tapes a bit - and make argument for listening to other voices in working through political challenges - compare the conversations with Anna Deveare Smith and Kanan Makiya. While the ideas of divine-speaking &quot;experts&quot; really did crash hard, some of the less legislatively powerful but more compelling (on this earth) voices seem to make a bit more sense. In this NEW moment, when we seem to be again entrusting so much power in a small group of &quot;great men&quot; and possibly some women from the ancien neo-liberal regieme, much needed different notes and voices seem to coming through the ROS box...it&#039;s my therapy for the same loops on tv and in print..and it suggests that there is a possibility to make a difference through different practices of mediation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a lot to think about this morning in Daniel Barenboim suggestion we should try to understand how the notes of history, like in a musical compositions, are deeply entangled in a larger score with a seemingly uncontainable range of meanings or interpretations. I appreciate the idea of seeing how creative perspectives inform seemingly &#8220;political&#8221; problems&#8211;especially his idea that if economists understood the relationships between notes and a larger score, they might have paid attention to the dissonance between virtual market speculation and the global productive apparatus. Instead of endowing &#8216;great men&#8217; economists like Greenspan with some mystical power to explain the world better than anyone else, listening to other voices in our culture might have slowed down this manic desire to exorcise historical complexities through some post-ideological neo-liberal new world order that still doesn&#8217;t really make much sense.</p>
<p>The discussion&#8217;s intermezzo sounds to me like an improvisation in uncharted territory when Barenboim free-associates on the relationships between Palestinians and Jews&#8230;but a nice change in tone that recognizes the similar resentments and desires we might have in common with other people as a way to make the case for mediation between rather than compartmentalization of people and societies. Without facing the historical differences, and the questions of historical interpretation that they bring, we might again look to magical economic or post-political solutions that if anything take us further and further away from disentangling conflicts that are embedded in the history of the world&#8217;s cultures. </p>
<p>To rewind the tapes a bit &#8211; and make argument for listening to other voices in working through political challenges &#8211; compare the conversations with Anna Deveare Smith and Kanan Makiya. While the ideas of divine-speaking &#8220;experts&#8221; really did crash hard, some of the less legislatively powerful but more compelling (on this earth) voices seem to make a bit more sense. In this NEW moment, when we seem to be again entrusting so much power in a small group of &#8220;great men&#8221; and possibly some women from the ancien neo-liberal regieme, much needed different notes and voices seem to coming through the ROS box&#8230;it&#8217;s my therapy for the same loops on tv and in print..and it suggests that there is a possibility to make a difference through different practices of mediation.</p>
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		<title>By: hurley</title>
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		<dc:creator>hurley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greatly enjoying this run of shows, and the threads. Barenboim&#039;s comparison of the musical hesitations in Tristan and Isolde to the forms of Jewish humor so wittily counter-intuitive that I&#039;m still laughing. (There are certain movements in Wagner that can be perfectly, sonically mapped in Italian to &quot;Ho fatto la cacca. ho fatto la cacca...!&quot;) Can&#039;t wait to pass Barenboim&#039;s joke off as my own (wouldn&#039;t dare). It reminded me of the philospher Sydney Morgenbesser&#039;s reply to J.L. Austin when Austin claimed that there is no language in which a double positive implies a negative (to quote Wikipedia): &quot;Yeah, Yeah.&quot; Thanks, Chris. Great stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greatly enjoying this run of shows, and the threads. Barenboim&#8217;s comparison of the musical hesitations in Tristan and Isolde to the forms of Jewish humor so wittily counter-intuitive that I&#8217;m still laughing. (There are certain movements in Wagner that can be perfectly, sonically mapped in Italian to &#8220;Ho fatto la cacca. ho fatto la cacca&#8230;!&#8221;) Can&#8217;t wait to pass Barenboim&#8217;s joke off as my own (wouldn&#8217;t dare). It reminded me of the philospher Sydney Morgenbesser&#8217;s reply to J.L. Austin when Austin claimed that there is no language in which a double positive implies a negative (to quote Wikipedia): &#8220;Yeah, Yeah.&#8221; Thanks, Chris. Great stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god everything that he said in that long blue quote box is so true! Don&#039;t get me started.... ( and I did not even listen yet!

Olmert of course was right- but only AFTER- when  he could not do anything anymore that made a difference.  Sharon had his epiphany of sorts too, too late.

It&#039;s painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god everything that he said in that long blue quote box is so true! Don&#8217;t get me started&#8230;. ( and I did not even listen yet!</p>
<p>Olmert of course was right- but only AFTER- when  he could not do anything anymore that made a difference.  Sharon had his epiphany of sorts too, too late.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s painful.</p>
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