Comments on: The Limits of Crowds http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:27:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Blogging and Literary Standards « Disparate http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75322 Blogging and Literary Standards « Disparate Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:07:13 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75322 [...] style. Not merely co-emulation, not exactly the “Medici Effect” or even the “Wisdom of Crowds.” But something, possibly, of the more conversational dimensions of [...] [...] style. Not merely co-emulation, not exactly the “Medici Effect” or even the “Wisdom of Crowds.” But something, possibly, of the more conversational dimensions of [...]

]]> By: Idiotprogrammer » Blog Archive » Ice Cream vs. Earthquakes: The Meta Battle http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75321 Idiotprogrammer » Blog Archive » Ice Cream vs. Earthquakes: The Meta Battle Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:26:47 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75321 [...] ind is for the most part stupid and boring. Why pay attention to it? Update: listen to the great one hour discussion on Lanier’s essay on open source radio (mp3). Includes a dis [...] [...] ind is for the most part stupid and boring. Why pay attention to it? Update: listen to the great one hour discussion on Lanier’s essay on open source radio (mp3). Includes a dis [...]

]]> By: El Oso, El Moreno, and El Abogado » Blog Archive » Amateurism, Individualism, and Collectivism http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75320 El Oso, El Moreno, and El Abogado » Blog Archive » Amateurism, Individualism, and Collectivism Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:08:58 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75320 [...] ed 0 minutes ago around lunchtime by oso Videos of Chubby Kids A storm has been a’brewin’. It’s about the wisdom of crowds, or according to [...] [...] ed 0 minutes ago around lunchtime by oso

Videos of Chubby Kids A storm has been a’brewin’. It’s about the wisdom of crowds, or according to [...]

]]> By: David Kluskiewicz » Blog Archive » Is there a limit to the wisdom of crowds? http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75319 David Kluskiewicz » Blog Archive » Is there a limit to the wisdom of crowds? Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:55:03 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75319 [...] end. As soon as anonymity plagues a section, the quality of the content begins to decline. Open Source » [...] [...] end. As soon as anonymity plagues a section, the quality of the content begins to decline. Open Source » [...]

]]> By: chilton1 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75318 chilton1 Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:26:39 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75318 plnelson Says: "If ONLY we had a better science of human behavior. .... It’s also clear that they have a remarkable capacity to get some things dramatically wrong - War in Iraq, Dot-Com bubble, Japanese real estate bubble, etc. But right now we have no way to predict WHICH things to trust the crowd about." I don't know plnelson - maybe these are examples where individuals or smaller groups (with agendas) manipulated large crowds. The Market is manipulated by interest groups as the occupation of Iraq certainly was... If the crowd was left to decide without false guidance -it is hard to imagine that the Iraq war would have occurred. A follow up show / discussion – The manipulation of crowds …..from ringleaders in football hooliganism to the WMD and other fear-mongering and greed-satisfying tactics of would-be crowd manipulators (such as that wielded by religious leaders of all sorts). plnelson Says:

“If ONLY we had a better science of human behavior. …. It’s also clear that they have a remarkable capacity to get some things dramatically wrong – War in Iraq, Dot-Com bubble, Japanese real estate bubble, etc. But right now we have no way to predict WHICH things to trust the crowd about.”

I don’t know plnelson – maybe these are examples where individuals or smaller groups (with agendas) manipulated large crowds. The Market is manipulated by interest groups as the occupation of Iraq certainly was…

If the crowd was left to decide without false guidance -it is hard to imagine that the Iraq war would have occurred.

A follow up show / discussion –

The manipulation of crowds

…..from ringleaders in football hooliganism to the WMD and other fear-mongering and greed-satisfying tactics of would-be crowd manipulators (such as that wielded by religious leaders of all sorts).

]]> By: My Four Walls » More on Open Source http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75317 My Four Walls » More on Open Source Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:16:11 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75317 [...] nd “editors”, not to mention the less savory flotsam and jetsam of cyber-life. The Limits of Crowds: Great conversation from Radio Open Source on the new trend towards ope [...] [...] nd “editors”, not to mention the less savory flotsam and jetsam of cyber-life. The Limits of Crowds: Great conversation from Radio Open Source on the new trend towards ope [...]

]]> By: plnelson http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75316 plnelson Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:19:04 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75316 If ONLY we had a better science of human behavior. I've often lamented the fact that, while chemistry, physics, and cell biology have made enormous strides in the last 50 years, the social sciences - sociology, psychology, economics, etc, are not demonstrably much more knowledgable than they were 50 years ago. BECAUSE - what would really move this discussion along would be a rigorous understanding of what SORTS of things crowds are good at. It's clear that crowds are good at guessing the weight of large animals. It's also clear that they have a remarkable capacity to get some things dramatically wrong - War in Iraq, Dot-Com bubble, Japanese real estate bubble, etc. But right now we have no way to predict WHICH things to trust the crowd about. If ONLY we had a better science of human behavior. I’ve often lamented the fact that, while chemistry, physics, and cell biology have made enormous strides in the last 50 years, the social sciences – sociology, psychology, economics, etc, are not demonstrably much more knowledgable than they were 50 years ago.

BECAUSE – what would really move this discussion along would be a rigorous understanding of what SORTS of things crowds are good at. It’s clear that crowds are good at guessing the weight of large animals. It’s also clear that they have a remarkable capacity to get some things dramatically wrong – War in Iraq, Dot-Com bubble, Japanese real estate bubble, etc. But right now we have no way to predict WHICH things to trust the crowd about.

]]> By: allison http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75315 allison Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:11:36 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75315 Yes, Potter, "collective unconscious". I couldn't recall the term. (Its been a while!) Thank you. Yes, Potter, “collective unconscious”. I couldn’t recall the term. (Its been a while!) Thank you.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75314 Potter Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:17:12 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75314 My pipeline into the universal: I think you can read Emerson either way. Emerson: "It is the universal nature which gives worth to particular men and things" Which is Emerson emphasizing? The crowd can, but does not necessarily, rise to attain/embody that universal nature, nor does the individual though each have that potential thus: Emerson: <b>he that is once admitted to the</b><b> right of reason</b> is made freeman of the whole estate and “what Plato has thought, he <b>may</b> think� (my bold and in other words not necessarily) “If the whole of history is in one man, it is all to be explained from individual experience..� But he also says you can explain man by all of history. Laniers’ essay had some good points but what it did best was inspire ( can crowds so inspire?) to make way for some good thinking on this including all the interesting responses on Edge.org. ( linked at the end). Allison- I also saw the similarity between Jung and Emerson on this point. I believe you mean the “collective unconscious� which also contains archetypes that exist before experience. My pipeline into the universal:

I think you can read Emerson either way.

Emerson: “It is the universal nature which gives worth to particular men and things”

Which is Emerson emphasizing?

The crowd can, but does not necessarily, rise to attain/embody that universal nature, nor does the individual though each have that potential thus:

Emerson: he that is once admitted to the right of reason is made freeman of the whole estate

and “what Plato has thought, he may think� (my bold and in other words not necessarily)

“If the whole of history is in one man, it is all to be explained from individual experience..�

But he also says you can explain man by all of history.

Laniers’ essay had some good points but what it did best was inspire ( can crowds so inspire?) to make way for some good thinking on this including all the interesting responses on Edge.org. ( linked at the end).

Allison- I also saw the similarity between Jung and Emerson on this point. I believe you mean the “collective unconscious� which also contains archetypes that exist before experience.

]]> By: The Great Seduction http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75313 The Great Seduction Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:56:18 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-limits-of-crowds/#comment-75313 <strong>Surowiecki versus Lanier</strong> Chris Lydon did a Radio Open Source show today about digital democracy and individual rights featuring an extensive conversation between James Surowiecki and Jaron Lanier. This is one the most salient issues in the Web 2.0 debate and I commend Surowiecki versus Lanier

Chris Lydon did a Radio Open Source show today about digital democracy and individual rights featuring an extensive conversation between James Surowiecki and Jaron Lanier. This is one the most salient issues in the Web 2.0 debate and I commend

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