Comments on: The Name Problem, Part V http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:23:24 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rochelle http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2885 Rochelle Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:50:59 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2885 Congratulations. :) Congratulations. :)

]]> By: Steven Den Beste http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2883 Steven Den Beste Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:27:24 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2883 The "other guys" <a href="http://osm.org/site/story/11212005namechange?currow=1" rel="nofollow">have changed their name</a> back to "Pajamas Media". The “other guys” have changed their name back to “Pajamas Media”.

]]> By: Jon http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2868 Jon Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:31:57 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2868 "Is there a show idea here? Any chance you can record the conversation? How about a tableau show with actors taking parts to reenact and vox populi taking part as judge and jury?" Making the best of a bad situation, this might actually be a good excuse to do something on trademarks/copyright :) Actions Speaks did an interesting show on Fair Use/Copyright recently (http://www.wrni.org/actionspeaks/); there's been a lot of talk recently about DRM on the web too, with Sony offering an esp nasty example (http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html) There's also some long-running (and funny...) attempts to subvert established trademarks (for example, see www.starbuckscoffee.org.uk - site contains swearing, so don't go there if that offends you...) “Is there a show idea here? Any chance you can record the conversation? How about a tableau show with actors taking parts to reenact and vox populi taking part as judge and jury?”

Making the best of a bad situation, this might actually be a good excuse to do something on trademarks/copyright :)

Actions Speaks did an interesting show on Fair Use/Copyright recently (http://www.wrni.org/actionspeaks/); there’s been a lot of talk recently about DRM on the web too, with Sony offering an esp nasty example (http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html) There’s also some long-running (and funny…) attempts to subvert established trademarks (for example, see http://www.starbuckscoffee.org.uk – site contains swearing, so don’t go there if that offends you…)

]]> By: bft http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2857 bft Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:54:56 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2857 The TeX style files I use (that's open source typesetting software from way back) generally warn that you can change the file if you want, but if you do you should also change its name...to avoid confusing others who may get the file later, and to avoid confusing *yourself* about which is which. The TeX style files I use (that’s open source typesetting software from way back) generally warn that you can change the file if you want, but if you do you should also change its name…to avoid confusing others who may get the file later, and to avoid confusing *yourself* about which is which.

]]> By: Douglas Young http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2854 Douglas Young Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:49:42 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2854 I completely understand the Name Problem and sympathize with your plight. But I can't help thinking that there's something ironic about a battle over who gets proprietary rights to use the name 'open source.' I completely understand the Name Problem and sympathize with your plight. But I can’t help thinking that there’s something ironic about a battle over who gets proprietary rights to use the name ‘open source.’

]]> By: k’alebøl » OSM conspiracy theory http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2849 k’alebøl » OSM conspiracy theory Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:49:08 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2849 [...] OSM conspiracy theory Nicking someone else’s name is about the smartest thing to do if you want gratis pu [...] [...] OSM conspiracy theory

Nicking someone else’s name is about the smartest thing to do if you want gratis pu [...]

]]> By: JonGarfunkel http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2848 JonGarfunkel Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:21:21 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2848 It's been interesting watching this story unfold. I'm a longtime listener of the program, a contributor to the comments, an occasional "live-blogger" (I think that term fits) of the program as it airs, a three-time caller, and an <a href="/a-very-long-post-about-the-future-of-the-blog" rel="nofollow">appreciated source</a> for <a href="http://civilities.net/RadioOpenSource" rel="nofollow">thoughts on the show's continued evolution</a>, I just wanted to add some comments on the big picture. To mcq, and a few previous posters who have questioned whether "Radio Open Source" is a fitting moniker and should be retained-- I think Brendan has already <a href="/the-name-problem-part-ii/" rel="nofollow">affirmed that</a>, and regular community member Rochelle <a href="/the-name-problem-part-iv/#comment-2830" rel="nofollow">has as well</a>, I'll affirm that as well. ROS has gone a long way towards fulfilling the vision of the name in being open with their community. In this case, Brendan's been very open in giving a sense of what they've been up to, short of revealing the legal dealings. Secondly, to kevin, the idea of a "legal fund" is promising, but it may not be fully necessary, or it may be too narrow a goal. To my knowledge, beyond the practical goal of ROS to make its audience more connected and more informed, is the long-term goal of making ROS sustainable. They haven't as of yet come up with a way of facilitating distristributed patronage of the program, but in the meantime, ask your local public radio station to join the <a href="/be-a-source/hear-on-the-radio/" rel="nofollow">list of those carrying the show</a>. (I'm sort of lucky to listen in on, and be a member of, WGBH, where the flagship WGBH station). It’s been interesting watching this story unfold. I’m a longtime listener of the program, a contributor to the comments, an occasional “live-blogger” (I think that term fits) of the program as it airs, a three-time caller, and an appreciated source for thoughts on the show’s continued evolution, I just wanted to add some comments on the big picture.

To mcq, and a few previous posters who have questioned whether “Radio Open Source” is a fitting moniker and should be retained– I think Brendan has already affirmed that, and regular community member Rochelle has as well, I’ll affirm that as well. ROS has gone a long way towards fulfilling the vision of the name in being open with their community. In this case, Brendan’s been very open in giving a sense of what they’ve been up to, short of revealing the legal dealings.

Secondly, to kevin, the idea of a “legal fund” is promising, but it may not be fully necessary, or it may be too narrow a goal. To my knowledge, beyond the practical goal of ROS to make its audience more connected and more informed, is the long-term goal of making ROS sustainable. They haven’t as of yet come up with a way of facilitating distristributed patronage of the program, but in the meantime, ask your local public radio station to join the list of those carrying the show. (I’m sort of lucky to listen in on, and be a member of, WGBH, where the flagship WGBH station).

]]> By: houblog.com » Blog Archive » That’s It. I’m Officially Embarassed Now. http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2845 houblog.com » Blog Archive » That’s It. I’m Officially Embarassed Now. Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:55:26 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2845 [...] story, but then I saw this idiocy, just when I thought the whole OSM thing might be taking baby steps towards being resolved. The OSM/Dennis the Peasant squabble goes off the deep [...] [...] story, but then I saw this idiocy, just when I thought the whole OSM thing might be taking baby steps towards being resolved. The OSM/Dennis the Peasant squabble goes off the deep [...]

]]> By: houblog.com http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2844 houblog.com Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:52:34 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2844 <strong>That’s It. I’m Officially Embarassed Now.</strong> I had planned another rip on Hollyweird after seeing the most insulting preview in history, but then I saw this idiocy, just when I thought the whole OSM thing might be taking baby steps towards being resolved. ... That’s It. I’m Officially Embarassed Now.

I had planned another rip on Hollyweird after seeing the most insulting preview in history, but then I saw this idiocy, just when I thought the whole OSM thing might be taking baby steps towards being resolved.

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]]> By: Gunny http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2838 Gunny Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:38:17 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2838 You've no choice as it's past time for drastic measure. Yes, you must immediately change the name of your blog to Open Pajama's. You’ve no choice as it’s past time for drastic measure. Yes, you must immediately change the name of your blog to Open Pajama’s.

]]> By: Scott http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2837 Scott Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:10:31 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2837 Could it be (an open question, I don't know the answer) that Roger L. Simon and Charles Johnson actually picked "OSM" and its associated concept knowing full well that it was already used commercially? See my post on The Classless Society regarding the Spike TV paradigm, which I think could apply here. It would be a shame to see Open Source Media, Inc. bullied out of their intellectual property just because some greedy rich people wanted it. If you went for the money, I could hardly blame you; but why do favors for a company whose founders include, in my opinion, an obsessive anti-Muslim bigot? I sure wouldn't want to be a line item in their budget. Can you put a dollar value on integrity? Could it be (an open question, I don’t know the answer) that Roger L. Simon and Charles Johnson actually picked “OSM” and its associated concept knowing full well that it was already used commercially? See my post on The Classless Society regarding the Spike TV paradigm, which I think could apply here.

It would be a shame to see Open Source Media, Inc. bullied out of their intellectual property just because some greedy rich people wanted it. If you went for the money, I could hardly blame you; but why do favors for a company whose founders include, in my opinion, an obsessive anti-Muslim bigot? I sure wouldn’t want to be a line item in their budget. Can you put a dollar value on integrity?

]]> By: mcg http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2836 mcg Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:22:46 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2836 Frankly, if they offer you a boat load of money to go away, I think you should take it---and then come up with an even BETTER name! And no, I'm not being snarky or sarcastic, I'm being practical. You're getting a lot of free publicity out of this, which is great! So use it, change your name while your reader-/listener-ship is high, for maximum impact, and pocket some dough! (Or put it to good use if you're feeling altruistic.) Frankly, if they offer you a boat load of money to go away, I think you should take it—and then come up with an even BETTER name! And no, I’m not being snarky or sarcastic, I’m being practical. You’re getting a lot of free publicity out of this, which is great! So use it, change your name while your reader-/listener-ship is high, for maximum impact, and pocket some dough! (Or put it to good use if you’re feeling altruistic.)

]]> By: kevin de bruxelles http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2834 kevin de bruxelles Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:11:45 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2834 Please, please, please, whatever amount they offer you, please give the blogosphere a chance to hold fundraisers to match or even perhaps double it (shouldn't be hard if they are as stingy as reports say they are). Not only would it be for a very good cause (Open Source Radio) , the schadenfreude would be irresistible! The publicity you would get by having such diverse voices as Atrios, Kos, Steven Den Beste and Dennis the Peasant supporting you would be invaluable. I cannot wait to hear the "founders" explain why they have to change names. Please, please, please, whatever amount they offer you, please give the blogosphere a chance to hold fundraisers to match or even perhaps double it (shouldn’t be hard if they are as stingy as reports say they are). Not only would it be for a very good cause (Open Source Radio) , the schadenfreude would be irresistible! The publicity you would get by having such diverse voices as Atrios, Kos, Steven Den Beste and Dennis the Peasant supporting you would be invaluable.

I cannot wait to hear the “founders” explain why they have to change names.

]]> By: The Classless Society»Blog Archive » The Spike TV paradigm http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2833 The Classless Society»Blog Archive » The Spike TV paradigm Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:01:55 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2833 [...] ion of greenmail, I guess. Now, the people of Open Source Media Inc. (the radio program) have announced that they will be meeting with Roger Simon next week. Anyone want to bet w [...] [...] ion of greenmail, I guess. Now, the people of Open Source Media Inc. (the radio program) have announced that they will be meeting with Roger Simon next week. Anyone want to bet w [...]

]]> By: Sean http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2831 Sean Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:10:43 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2831 Is there a show idea here? Any chance you can record the conversation? How about a tableau show with actors taking parts to reenact and vox populi taking part as judge and jury? Is there a show idea here? Any chance you can record the conversation? How about a tableau show with actors taking parts to reenact and vox populi taking part as judge and jury?

]]> By: Brendan http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2825 Brendan Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:29:16 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2825 The mouse, I've seen a lot of him this week, because he likes to come out at night. He parties a little bit, hangs out behind the trash can, then spooks himself and disappears back down the hole. The staff calls him "Binky." I think he has issues. Last night I tried to get a picture of Binky while working on some of this OSM stuff. We get along just fine, Binky and I, but so far no photo. And thanks for liking what we're doing. And thanks, everyone, for telling us to seek legal counsel. We're covered. We promise. The mouse, I’ve seen a lot of him this week, because he likes to come out at night. He parties a little bit, hangs out behind the trash can, then spooks himself and disappears back down the hole. The staff calls him “Binky.” I think he has issues. Last night I tried to get a picture of Binky while working on some of this OSM stuff. We get along just fine, Binky and I, but so far no photo.

And thanks for liking what we’re doing. And thanks, everyone, for telling us to seek legal counsel. We’re covered. We promise.

]]> By: Elmo http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2822 Elmo Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:15:08 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2822 How's the mouse? How’s the mouse?

]]> By: Scott http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2821 Scott Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:08:37 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2821 Please, please, when you talk to Roger, bring a lawyer with you. Please, please, when you talk to Roger, bring a lawyer with you.

]]> By: MoJo http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2820 MoJo Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:20:18 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2820 I came here to say the same thing Cliff said. I can't believe I didn't know about this site before now. You're all doing fantastic work and I'll be visiting regularly. Of course, we'd better not let "Pajamas" know that or they'll put it on their explanation page as this great thing they've done for you. I came here to say the same thing Cliff said. I can’t believe I didn’t know about this site before now. You’re all doing fantastic work and I’ll be visiting regularly. Of course, we’d better not let “Pajamas” know that or they’ll put it on their explanation page as this great thing they’ve done for you.

]]> By: cliff http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2818 cliff Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:06:39 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2818 Brendan, This is certainly taking up a great deal of your time. A serious pain in the bum, no doubt. On the other hand you are also getting a large helping of free publicity in both the Right and Left spheres of the blogoverse. I might never have found your site but for the controversy. Not that you need a pep talk, but there is some silver lining here. As for your conversation with Roger. Bring your lawyer(s). Brendan,

This is certainly taking up a great deal of your time. A serious pain in the bum, no doubt. On the other hand you are also getting a large helping of free publicity in both the Right and Left spheres of the blogoverse. I might never have found your site but for the controversy. Not that you need a pep talk, but there is some silver lining here.

As for your conversation with Roger. Bring your lawyer(s).

]]> By: Harshly Mellow http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2817 Harshly Mellow Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:02:11 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2817 <strong>Hey, here's a good thing about OSM: (UPDATED 11/18) (AGAIN) (and AGAIN, 11/18 at 1900)</strong> If we need any hairs split, we know where to go... I'm trying so hard to quit looking at this, but it has car-wreck style qualities that just can't be ignored, Hey, here’s a good thing about OSM: (UPDATED 11/18) (AGAIN) (and AGAIN, 11/18 at 1900)

If we need any hairs split, we know where to go…

I’m trying so hard to quit looking at this, but it has car-wreck style qualities that just can’t be ignored,

]]> By: Brendan http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2814 Brendan Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:04:35 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2814 We are. We are.

]]> By: Tlazolteotl http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/comment-page-1/#comment-2813 Tlazolteotl Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:01:59 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/the-name-problem-part-v/#comment-2813 I hope you are getting some good legal advice. I think these guys are totally out of line. I hope you are getting some good legal advice. I think these guys are totally out of line.

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