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	<title>Comments on: The Pain of Borat</title>
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	<description>Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics</description>
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		<title>By: Secret Fish Bait Formulas Revealed. &#124; 7Wins.eu</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-pain-of-borat/#comment-80503</link>
		<dc:creator>Secret Fish Bait Formulas Revealed. &#124; 7Wins.eu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] iovanni FalconeRoyal Anecdotes   » Why Kate Middleton Missed Her February Date With DestinyOpen Source  » Blog Archive   » The Pain of Borat    	Tags 	fish bait  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sumith &#187; Blog Archive // &#187; The parallels</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-pain-of-borat/#comment-80502</link>
		<dc:creator>Sumith &#187; Blog Archive // &#187; The parallels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ockingly funny as any film I&#8217;ve seen in years. Note: Some Ideas taken from forums at Radio Open source 				 		Tags: america, borat, crash, g [...]</description>
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		<title>By: media slave driver</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-pain-of-borat/#comment-80501</link>
		<dc:creator>media slave driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While listening to the podcast I must say I&#039;m waiting very anxiously to hear the someone bring up the brilliant MTV2 show Wonder Showzen and specifically the puppet &quot;Clarence&quot; as a prime example.  I&#039;ve seen and heard all of the references and comparisons the panel has made- The Office - Colbert - Andy Kauffman etc. and all have their moments but to not acknowledge Wonder Showzen is to miss the what I believe Borat is trying to emulate as a contemporary that continues to push this &quot;cringe humor&quot; boundary.  I&#039;ve been overwhelmed by Clarence&#039;s creative annoyance which makes Borat&#039;s charm just funny but boorish by comparison.



I just felt compelled to pass this on as people still don&#039;t seem to know about Wonder Showzen while Borat has exploded.  Maybe everyone is not ready for Wondershozen yet as it can be beyond &quot;cringe&quot; but isn&#039;t that what Borat really wants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While listening to the podcast I must say I&#8217;m waiting very anxiously to hear the someone bring up the brilliant MTV2 show Wonder Showzen and specifically the puppet &#8220;Clarence&#8221; as a prime example.  I&#8217;ve seen and heard all of the references and comparisons the panel has made- The Office &#8211; Colbert &#8211; Andy Kauffman etc. and all have their moments but to not acknowledge Wonder Showzen is to miss the what I believe Borat is trying to emulate as a contemporary that continues to push this &#8220;cringe humor&#8221; boundary.  I&#8217;ve been overwhelmed by Clarence&#8217;s creative annoyance which makes Borat&#8217;s charm just funny but boorish by comparison.</p>
<p>I just felt compelled to pass this on as people still don&#8217;t seem to know about Wonder Showzen while Borat has exploded.  Maybe everyone is not ready for Wondershozen yet as it can be beyond &#8220;cringe&#8221; but isn&#8217;t that what Borat really wants?</p>
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		<title>By: chilton1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can i put this without offending...?



many Americans seem to have had an irony bypass



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how can i put this without offending&#8230;?</p>
<p>many Americans seem to have had an irony bypass</p>
<p>this thread has got rather serious of late considering it&#8217;s intentions</p>
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		<title>By: JesseThorn</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-pain-of-borat/#comment-80499</link>
		<dc:creator>JesseThorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 00:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On Planet Jazzman, Consciousness, Energy and Matter are manifestations of each other and interchangeable.&quot;



Jazzman!  I see you are capable of humor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On Planet Jazzman, Consciousness, Energy and Matter are manifestations of each other and interchangeable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jazzman!  I see you are capable of humor!</p>
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		<title>By: peggysue</title>
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		<dc:creator>peggysue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only wish that no-one felt so disenfranchised that they can&#039;t make or take a joke. Obviously this isn&#039;t so and there are many raw nerves out there. Still, of all the cultural correctives available I&#039;ll take humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only wish that no-one felt so disenfranchised that they can&#8217;t make or take a joke. Obviously this isn&#8217;t so and there are many raw nerves out there. Still, of all the cultural correctives available I&#8217;ll take humor.</p>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
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		<dc:creator>rc21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jazzman:  Agreed Criticizing is not bullying, I&#039;m refering to mean spirited jokes. Such as the ones made about Bushes intelligence or lack there-of. His mispronunciation of words. his silly comparison to Hitler.etc..   By the way the same things can be said about Clinton and the various sex jokes that always popup. No pun intended.  Would this not fit allisons definition of bullying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jazzman:  Agreed Criticizing is not bullying, I&#8217;m refering to mean spirited jokes. Such as the ones made about Bushes intelligence or lack there-of. His mispronunciation of words. his silly comparison to Hitler.etc..   By the way the same things can be said about Clinton and the various sex jokes that always popup. No pun intended.  Would this not fit allisons definition of bullying?</p>
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		<title>By: jazzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;ErikW&lt;/b&gt; If my language seems pretentious, I write as I speak and that is I. Is correct English pretentious? So be it, I was an English major in college and am not pretending to be something Iâ€™m not nor am I a baiter. Iâ€™m absolutely serious and I believe consistent in my posts at ROS and use metaphor as a literary device infrequently as I do not wish to be misconstrued as to my position.



Let me prepare you for your prospective tour of Planet Jazzman:



On Planet Jazzman, Consciousness, Energy and Matter are manifestations of each other and interchangeable. There is no religion, supernatural entities, or fear; people are peace loving and do not feel the need to dishonestly trick others for their amusement or profit.



People take responsibility for what ever situation in which they find themselves and ideally live by the following code: ABSOLUTE MORALITY



1) Do Respect and Honor ALL Life/Nature. EVERYTHING in the universe has purpose, meaning, and an innate right to exist. (No need to invoke God or Evolution)



2) Do EMPATHIZE with others in all transactions. Consider the effect of your actions vis a vis others. Donâ€™t take advantage of people via trickery or superior intellect. This is the root of the Golden Rule â€“ no vengeful tit for tat.



3) Do not kill more than is needed for physical sustenance. I believe that most people would agree that the deprivation of life for gluttony is less than ideal and should be discouraged.



4) Do not commit violence on yourself or others, life, or the environment. Violence is a result of unexpressed pent up aggression, fostered by a sense of powerlessness to attain desires by the incompetent, ignorant or impatient and NEVER justified.



5) Do not attempt to attain an IDEAL by violating any of the above propositions. The â€œAll of the aboveâ€ Meta-rule - IDEAL ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY LESS THAN IDEAL MEANS.



Peace to ALL â€“ this is my last post until at least the week after Thanksgiving.



Jazzman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>ErikW</b> If my language seems pretentious, I write as I speak and that is I. Is correct English pretentious? So be it, I was an English major in college and am not pretending to be something Iâ€™m not nor am I a baiter. Iâ€™m absolutely serious and I believe consistent in my posts at ROS and use metaphor as a literary device infrequently as I do not wish to be misconstrued as to my position.</p>
<p>Let me prepare you for your prospective tour of Planet Jazzman:</p>
<p>On Planet Jazzman, Consciousness, Energy and Matter are manifestations of each other and interchangeable. There is no religion, supernatural entities, or fear; people are peace loving and do not feel the need to dishonestly trick others for their amusement or profit.</p>
<p>People take responsibility for what ever situation in which they find themselves and ideally live by the following code: ABSOLUTE MORALITY</p>
<p>1) Do Respect and Honor ALL Life/Nature. EVERYTHING in the universe has purpose, meaning, and an innate right to exist. (No need to invoke God or Evolution)</p>
<p>2) Do EMPATHIZE with others in all transactions. Consider the effect of your actions vis a vis others. Donâ€™t take advantage of people via trickery or superior intellect. This is the root of the Golden Rule â€“ no vengeful tit for tat.</p>
<p>3) Do not kill more than is needed for physical sustenance. I believe that most people would agree that the deprivation of life for gluttony is less than ideal and should be discouraged.</p>
<p>4) Do not commit violence on yourself or others, life, or the environment. Violence is a result of unexpressed pent up aggression, fostered by a sense of powerlessness to attain desires by the incompetent, ignorant or impatient and NEVER justified.</p>
<p>5) Do not attempt to attain an IDEAL by violating any of the above propositions. The â€œAll of the aboveâ€ Meta-rule &#8211; IDEAL ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY LESS THAN IDEAL MEANS.</p>
<p>Peace to ALL â€“ this is my last post until at least the week after Thanksgiving.</p>
<p>Jazzman</p>
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		<title>By: ErikW</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-pain-of-borat/#comment-80495</link>
		<dc:creator>ErikW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps someday I, too, can visit Planet Jazzman, where people don&#039;t interact directly out of fear of invading each other&#039;s personal space and perhaps giving one party &quot;secret powers&quot; over the other, and where people &quot;communicate&quot; only indirectly using metaphors steeped in pretentious language, (perhaps via puppet shows?).



And, since I no longer want to be boring any remaining lurkers with this rapidly drying exchange of opinion, I am going to sign off here. Good evening.



(Frankly, now I&#039;m starting to suspect that &quot;jazzman&quot; is just a baiting arguebot and it is I who am the &quot;mark&quot;. Damn! This blogversation better not appear in &lt;i&gt;Borat 2: Cultural Learning On the Internets For Make Benefit Glorious Site of Radio Open Source&lt;/i&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps someday I, too, can visit Planet Jazzman, where people don&#8217;t interact directly out of fear of invading each other&#8217;s personal space and perhaps giving one party &#8220;secret powers&#8221; over the other, and where people &#8220;communicate&#8221; only indirectly using metaphors steeped in pretentious language, (perhaps via puppet shows?).</p>
<p>And, since I no longer want to be boring any remaining lurkers with this rapidly drying exchange of opinion, I am going to sign off here. Good evening.</p>
<p>(Frankly, now I&#8217;m starting to suspect that &#8220;jazzman&#8221; is just a baiting arguebot and it is I who am the &#8220;mark&#8221;. Damn! This blogversation better not appear in <i>Borat 2: Cultural Learning On the Internets For Make Benefit Glorious Site of Radio Open Source</i>)</p>
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		<title>By: jazzman</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-pain-of-borat/#comment-80494</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;ErikW&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;i&gt;â€real peopleâ€â€¦placed in situations which have been manipulated, in this case to be rich in humorous/discomforting/humiliating (depending on your perspective) potential.&lt;/i&gt;



Not only the situation, but also  â€œreal peopleâ€ are manipulated thru dishonesty by the person with the upper hand which is a violation of their personal rights.



&lt;i&gt;I would suggest that a healthy sense of humor is one that can find the â€œcorrectâ€ reaction,&lt;/i&gt;



Who defines the â€œcorrectâ€ reaction? Correct in &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; eyes and healthy in your opinion as it is with all value judgments. There is no moral correctness in value judgments â€“ only beliefs about right and wrong.



&lt;i&gt;What does comedic taste say, if anything, about a society?&lt;/i&gt;



It says volumes about peoples motivations and character. De gustibus non est disputandum (seeing as you are fond of Latin albeit of the porcine variety) If it is taste and not schadenfreude â€“ feel good humor due to the misfortunes of actual people rather than the conceptual &lt;i&gt; letâ€™s say these misfortunes occurred hypothetically and present it as comedy&lt;/i&gt; then it is a question of taste. When it is not hypothetical then comedic taste has overtones of meanness and lack of empathy and reflects callousness in the strata of society that finds such things amusing.



BTW Marks do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; make themselves, it take 2 to tango and requires an imbalance of power as in the confidence trickster and the mark. Once engaged the mark bears responsibility for his/her part in the action but without the initiator there is no mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>ErikW</b>  <i>â€real peopleâ€â€¦placed in situations which have been manipulated, in this case to be rich in humorous/discomforting/humiliating (depending on your perspective) potential.</i></p>
<p>Not only the situation, but also  â€œreal peopleâ€ are manipulated thru dishonesty by the person with the upper hand which is a violation of their personal rights.</p>
<p><i>I would suggest that a healthy sense of humor is one that can find the â€œcorrectâ€ reaction,</i></p>
<p>Who defines the â€œcorrectâ€ reaction? Correct in <i>your</i> eyes and healthy in your opinion as it is with all value judgments. There is no moral correctness in value judgments â€“ only beliefs about right and wrong.</p>
<p><i>What does comedic taste say, if anything, about a society?</i></p>
<p>It says volumes about peoples motivations and character. De gustibus non est disputandum (seeing as you are fond of Latin albeit of the porcine variety) If it is taste and not schadenfreude â€“ feel good humor due to the misfortunes of actual people rather than the conceptual <i> letâ€™s say these misfortunes occurred hypothetically and present it as comedy</i> then it is a question of taste. When it is not hypothetical then comedic taste has overtones of meanness and lack of empathy and reflects callousness in the strata of society that finds such things amusing.</p>
<p>BTW Marks do <i>not</i> make themselves, it take 2 to tango and requires an imbalance of power as in the confidence trickster and the mark. Once engaged the mark bears responsibility for his/her part in the action but without the initiator there is no mark.</p>
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