Comments on: The President of Flow… and the end of Hip Hop? http://www.radioopensource.org/the-president-of-flow-and-the-end-of-hip-hop/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:09:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: am-son http://www.radioopensource.org/the-president-of-flow-and-the-end-of-hip-hop/#comment-93142 am-son Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:09:23 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=2458#comment-93142 Just a thought, not a criticism: why no mention of The Roots? Especially as they've sort of transcended the realm of "pop culture"- with their residency on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon. They too are socially conscious, enormously popular, still "underground" in some respects, musicians, and of the "Obama era". Any thoughts? Just a thought, not a criticism: why no mention of The Roots?

Especially as they’ve sort of transcended the realm of “pop culture”- with their residency on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon.

They too are socially conscious, enormously popular, still “underground” in some respects, musicians, and of the “Obama era”.

Any thoughts?

]]> By: orangescissor http://www.radioopensource.org/the-president-of-flow-and-the-end-of-hip-hop/#comment-93141 orangescissor Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:52:36 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=2458#comment-93141 I agree with Tricia: it's important to take into consideration how the entrance of hip-hop onto the pop-culture mainstream coincided with it's transformation from a sort of marginal and experimental creative space to a highly produced marketed product. This might be simplistic, but maybe going mainstream in a highly privatized and conservative commercial space since the 90's (even MTV in the early 90s looked MUCH different than it does today), also narrows the range of content...a sort of embedded containment of the message to fit advertising strategies that themselves perpetuate a cultural status quo amidst a changing social landscape. Definitely there is a new more pluralistic cultural narrative forming in the Obama age, but it might be interesting to explore what is left unsaid despite this pluralization, or the disconnect between what is officially said and what is expressed in less mainstream spaces. It might challenge the way that we look to legislation (civil rights bills, Obama) rather than popular expression (the emergence of hip hop as a new cultural philosophy) as the primary way that change happens. In terms of this conversations, I wonder why race is the primary prism through which we understand the election and hip hop?...where would Eimenen and the Beastie Boys fit in, or 'black' artists now popular in other, traditionally 'white', musical styles? Also why was electing a black man such a big news focus in the lead up to the election and then the next day the same people were saying that we were entering a post-racial society? I agree with Tricia: it’s important to take into consideration how the entrance of hip-hop onto the pop-culture mainstream coincided with it’s transformation from a sort of marginal and experimental creative space to a highly produced marketed product. This might be simplistic, but maybe going mainstream in a highly privatized and conservative commercial space since the 90′s (even MTV in the early 90s looked MUCH different than it does today), also narrows the range of content…a sort of embedded containment of the message to fit advertising strategies that themselves perpetuate a cultural status quo amidst a changing social landscape. Definitely there is a new more pluralistic cultural narrative forming in the Obama age, but it might be interesting to explore what is left unsaid despite this pluralization, or the disconnect between what is officially said and what is expressed in less mainstream spaces. It might challenge the way that we look to legislation (civil rights bills, Obama) rather than popular expression (the emergence of hip hop as a new cultural philosophy) as the primary way that change happens.

In terms of this conversations, I wonder why race is the primary prism through which we understand the election and hip hop?…where would Eimenen and the Beastie Boys fit in, or ‘black’ artists now popular in other, traditionally ‘white’, musical styles? Also why was electing a black man such a big news focus in the lead up to the election and then the next day the same people were saying that we were entering a post-racial society?

]]> By: nother http://www.radioopensource.org/the-president-of-flow-and-the-end-of-hip-hop/#comment-93140 nother Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:23:17 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=2458#comment-93140 Sorry - Tricia not Trisha! Sorry – Tricia not Trisha!

]]> By: nother http://www.radioopensource.org/the-president-of-flow-and-the-end-of-hip-hop/#comment-93139 nother Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:21:35 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=2458#comment-93139 A joy to listen to Trisha Rose. Thank you for introducing us to her. And thank you Ms. Rose for introducing me to Lupe Fiesco. I'm very eager to read “The Hip Hop Wars.” The nuanced incite she brings to the mic is refreshing and stimulating. Open Source! - A wonderful follow up conversation on the subject. Great questions + great soundtrack + great editing + great guests = enlightenment. And the freestyle on jazz and institutional racism was a nice crescendo. You've given us a lot to think about. A joy to listen to Trisha Rose. Thank you for introducing us to her. And thank you Ms. Rose for introducing me to Lupe Fiesco. I’m very eager to read “The Hip Hop Wars.” The nuanced incite she brings to the mic is refreshing and stimulating.

Open Source! – A wonderful follow up conversation on the subject. Great questions + great soundtrack + great editing + great guests = enlightenment. And the freestyle on jazz and institutional racism was a nice crescendo.

You’ve given us a lot to think about.

]]> By: kento http://www.radioopensource.org/the-president-of-flow-and-the-end-of-hip-hop/#comment-93138 kento Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:27:15 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=2458#comment-93138 Great interview! It's good to hear Lupe Fiasco mentioned this time, I listened to the entirety of the last podcast waiting for his mention. Great interview! It’s good to hear Lupe Fiasco mentioned this time, I listened to the entirety of the last podcast waiting for his mention.

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