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		<title>By: Prevent Spiders In Your Home &#38; Cure Your Fear. &#124; 7Wins.eu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prevent Spiders In Your Home &#38; Cure Your Fear. &#124; 7Wins.eu</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mark Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-value-of-a-life/#comment-76726</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oolitic said:

&quot;On a personel level, there is no limit to how much my 3 year old daughter is worth to me. I donâ€™t even posess the skills to describe her worth.&quot;



Good point, because to me she is worth nothing. If I were to find out that she had died, it wouldn&#039;t cause me one second of concern. I would be much more affected by an injury to the stray dog that sleeps on my back steps every day.

So one measure of &quot;worth&quot; is the biological connection between couples and their offspring.

Everyone is someone&#039;s child, but the rest of us don&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oolitic said:</p>
<p>&#8220;On a personel level, there is no limit to how much my 3 year old daughter is worth to me. I donâ€™t even posess the skills to describe her worth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point, because to me she is worth nothing. If I were to find out that she had died, it wouldn&#8217;t cause me one second of concern. I would be much more affected by an injury to the stray dog that sleeps on my back steps every day.</p>
<p>So one measure of &#8220;worth&#8221; is the biological connection between couples and their offspring.</p>
<p>Everyone is someone&#8217;s child, but the rest of us don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mendel</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-value-of-a-life/#comment-76725</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The value of human life&lt;/strong&gt;

Was almost stopped dead in the gym today, listening to Radio Open Source&#039;s wonderful episode on the value of human life. Aside from being horribly inappropriate listening when you&#039;re on a cross-trainer, this episode featured Feinberg, Singer and Hirs...</description>
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<p>Was almost stopped dead in the gym today, listening to Radio Open Source&#8217;s wonderful episode on the value of human life. Aside from being horribly inappropriate listening when you&#8217;re on a cross-trainer, this episode featured Feinberg, Singer and Hirs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jazzman</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-value-of-a-life/#comment-76724</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was shocked and dismayed by Peter Singerâ€™s Utilitarian values (which is a form of Consequentialism â€“ i.e., the morality of actions is decided by value judgments regarding the results of those actions â€“ by whomever does the judging.)



 I was glad that Feingold and Rabbi Hirschfield briefly called him on it. This is another case of putative â€œgood endsâ€? justifying whatever means necessary to achieve them.  History is full of examples of this type thinking. The atrocities committed throughout human history were all a result of some form Utilitarianism. Hitler, for example believed that the extirpation of â€œundesirableâ€? types of human beings (Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Homosexuals, physically impaired, etc.) was for the greatest good, the â€œdesirableâ€? (Aryan) types remaining would enjoy a much improved situation. Pol Pot believed that eliminating the educated and intellectual class (potential troublemakers in his view) would be for the good of his regime.



How is â€œgoodâ€? to be decided? Hiroshimaâ€™s and Nagasakiâ€™s nuking was supposedly good for saving &lt;i&gt;potentially&lt;/i&gt; thousands of Allied lives. I doubt that the civilian recipients of such a Utilitarian decision would agree. The supposed good of foisting democracy on Iraq is worth however many American and Iraqi lives as it takes and in the end come to naught (as Noam pointed out, a democratically elected Shiâ€™a majority could (would likely) vote to ally with or become part of Iran or vote to become a Theocracy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was shocked and dismayed by Peter Singerâ€™s Utilitarian values (which is a form of Consequentialism â€“ i.e., the morality of actions is decided by value judgments regarding the results of those actions â€“ by whomever does the judging.)</p>
<p> I was glad that Feingold and Rabbi Hirschfield briefly called him on it. This is another case of putative â€œgood endsâ€? justifying whatever means necessary to achieve them.  History is full of examples of this type thinking. The atrocities committed throughout human history were all a result of some form Utilitarianism. Hitler, for example believed that the extirpation of â€œundesirableâ€? types of human beings (Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Homosexuals, physically impaired, etc.) was for the greatest good, the â€œdesirableâ€? (Aryan) types remaining would enjoy a much improved situation. Pol Pot believed that eliminating the educated and intellectual class (potential troublemakers in his view) would be for the good of his regime.</p>
<p>How is â€œgoodâ€? to be decided? Hiroshimaâ€™s and Nagasakiâ€™s nuking was supposedly good for saving <i>potentially</i> thousands of Allied lives. I doubt that the civilian recipients of such a Utilitarian decision would agree. The supposed good of foisting democracy on Iraq is worth however many American and Iraqi lives as it takes and in the end come to naught (as Noam pointed out, a democratically elected Shiâ€™a majority could (would likely) vote to ally with or become part of Iran or vote to become a Theocracy.)</p>
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		<title>By: jazzman</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-value-of-a-life/#comment-76723</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO the value of a life is whatever that life can marshal to itself.



If a widow can convince Feingold to give her more than someone else gets then she has marshaled a greater value by persuasion. Meting out compensation based on potential for earnings over a lifetime for a dead person is fallacious (insurance companies take note â€“ what someone &lt;i&gt;would have earned&lt;/i&gt; is meaningless because they are dead.)



Potential is just that potential â€“ until it is actualized, it is in the subjunctive (if it were then it would be but as it isnâ€™t it ainâ€™t) â€“ everything has the potential to increase its value but unless the value is increased it is unchanged. In binary parlance it is Zero until it is One. Almost something is still nothing.



I donâ€™t believe in luck, accidents, or victims â€“ innocent or otherwise. I believe everyone is responsible for everything that exists in their experience and by these lights everyone gets what they create and everything is truly fair, so for what itâ€™s worth, a life is worth what itâ€™s worth. Obviously we place relative values on those closest to ourselves but they are our personal values as oolitic notes (which are idea constructs buoyed by emotional weight, opinions and predilections) and the people of our affection while of incalculable emotional value are intrinsically worth very little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO the value of a life is whatever that life can marshal to itself.</p>
<p>If a widow can convince Feingold to give her more than someone else gets then she has marshaled a greater value by persuasion. Meting out compensation based on potential for earnings over a lifetime for a dead person is fallacious (insurance companies take note â€“ what someone <i>would have earned</i> is meaningless because they are dead.)</p>
<p>Potential is just that potential â€“ until it is actualized, it is in the subjunctive (if it were then it would be but as it isnâ€™t it ainâ€™t) â€“ everything has the potential to increase its value but unless the value is increased it is unchanged. In binary parlance it is Zero until it is One. Almost something is still nothing.</p>
<p>I donâ€™t believe in luck, accidents, or victims â€“ innocent or otherwise. I believe everyone is responsible for everything that exists in their experience and by these lights everyone gets what they create and everything is truly fair, so for what itâ€™s worth, a life is worth what itâ€™s worth. Obviously we place relative values on those closest to ourselves but they are our personal values as oolitic notes (which are idea constructs buoyed by emotional weight, opinions and predilections) and the people of our affection while of incalculable emotional value are intrinsically worth very little.</p>
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		<title>By: oolitic</title>
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		<dc:creator>oolitic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is interesting to note the differences in value, when one views it in terms of a personal value versus a public value.



On a personel level, there is no limit to how much my 3 year old daughter is worth to me. I don&#039;t even posess the skills to describe her worth.



But when one thinks about a world with finite resources, in which it is possible to burn through millions of dollars in heath care costs, the problem is much more nuianced.



In fact, judging from a public policy vantage, isn&#039;t it unrealistic and in fact irresponsible _NOT_ to at least attempt to quantify these values of people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is interesting to note the differences in value, when one views it in terms of a personal value versus a public value.</p>
<p>On a personel level, there is no limit to how much my 3 year old daughter is worth to me. I don&#8217;t even posess the skills to describe her worth.</p>
<p>But when one thinks about a world with finite resources, in which it is possible to burn through millions of dollars in heath care costs, the problem is much more nuianced.</p>
<p>In fact, judging from a public policy vantage, isn&#8217;t it unrealistic and in fact irresponsible _NOT_ to at least attempt to quantify these values of people?</p>
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		<title>By: chilton1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chilton1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the elderly have paid their taxes

AND VOTE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the elderly have paid their taxes</p>
<p>AND VOTE</p>
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		<title>By: peoplestank</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/the-value-of-a-life/#comment-76720</link>
		<dc:creator>peoplestank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I think that works for me, maybe for my cat as well.



Another question that I&#039;ve been thinking about is they way we value elderly versus children at least when it comes to health care resources.  Why do we devote so much resources to elderly, especially during the last stages of life, via programs like Medicare? Wouldn&#039;t it make more sense to devote at least some of those resources towards universal health care for children?  I guess this would be an interesting topic for another show...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I think that works for me, maybe for my cat as well.</p>
<p>Another question that I&#8217;ve been thinking about is they way we value elderly versus children at least when it comes to health care resources.  Why do we devote so much resources to elderly, especially during the last stages of life, via programs like Medicare? Wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense to devote at least some of those resources towards universal health care for children?  I guess this would be an interesting topic for another show&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chilton1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chilton1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to think of domesticated animals as extentions of humanity -



So your cat is you (although your cat might not agree)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to think of domesticated animals as extentions of humanity -</p>
<p>So your cat is you (although your cat might not agree)</p>
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		<title>By: peoplestank</title>
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		<dc:creator>peoplestank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering how I should value the life of my cat versus humans with whom I have no connection, or even more specifically someone who hurts her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering how I should value the life of my cat versus humans with whom I have no connection, or even more specifically someone who hurts her?</p>
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