Comments on: Voter Fraud: Real Menace or Rove Meme? http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/ Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:09:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: David Weinstein http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87607 David Weinstein Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:51:23 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87607 The real innovtion of the Bush/Cheney/Rove mafia was not vote suppression but e-vote fraud wiht no paper trails in 2004 to leave fingerprints at the crime scene. The real innovtion of the Bush/Cheney/Rove mafia was not vote suppression but e-vote fraud wiht no paper trails in 2004 to leave fingerprints at the crime scene.

]]> By: rc21 http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87606 rc21 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:11:32 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87606 Potter I read your links..They mean little. One article says minorities in states who are required to show id vote in lesser numbers than those in states that require id. That is their fault. They know the law and chose either not to obey it or chose not to vote. The second article by the Columbia proffesor also gives little factual evidence as to why requireing id's is a bad thing. One question if we don't require any form of id than how do we really know how many people are voting that are eligible vs illegal How is requireing people to have a voter ID intimidating.It sounds as if some would prefer we disenfranchise American citizens. I think it is very impoprtant that we only allow citizens to vote. I don't want my vote nullified by some guy who has no legal right to vote. Potter I read your links..They mean little. One article says minorities in states who are required to show id vote in lesser numbers than those in states that require id. That is their fault. They know the law and chose either not to obey it or chose not to vote. The second article by the Columbia proffesor also gives little factual evidence as to why requireing id’s is a bad thing.

One question if we don’t require any form of id than how do we really know how many people are voting that are eligible vs illegal

How is requireing people to have a voter ID intimidating.It sounds as if some would prefer we disenfranchise American citizens. I think it is very impoprtant that we only allow citizens to vote. I don’t want my vote nullified by some guy who has no legal right to vote.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87605 Potter Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:32:04 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87605 OTOH- if there was a concerted effort to seek out and give every potential voter a way to easily identify themselves it would not be the same storyt. That is NOT the case. The result/goal of the present effort is to eliminate and intimidate mostly those who would vote Democratic. OTOH- if there was a concerted effort to seek out and give every potential voter a way to easily identify themselves it would not be the same storyt. That is NOT the case. The result/goal of the present effort is to eliminate and intimidate mostly those who would vote Democratic.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87604 Potter Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:22:05 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87604 It all rest on the "if you are legal" part. The law can make it very hard on some folks- the traditionally disenfranchised, minorities, the poor, and the old and this has partisan implication. I don't want to argue this. You are not naive RC21. It all rest on the “if you are legal” part. The law can make it very hard on some folks- the traditionally disenfranchised, minorities, the poor, and the old and this has partisan implication. I don’t want to argue this. You are not naive RC21.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87603 Potter Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:18:53 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87603 It's <a href="http://projectvote.org/newsroom/project-vote-news/press-release.html?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=83&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=75&cHash=b0abf5d256" rel="nofollow">not an opinion</a> it's a fact. See also <a href="http://projectvote.org/fileadmin/ProjectVote/Publications/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Politics of Voter Fraud</a> Read pages 3 &4 and the intro ( very short). It’s not an opinion it’s a fact.

See also The Politics of Voter Fraud

Read pages 3 &4 and the intro ( very short).

]]> By: rc21 http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87602 rc21 Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:45:52 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87602 OK I read the article and a few of the links. I don't see where the gop is trying to supress citizens from voting. If you are talking about voter IDs I'm all for them. If you are legal and have the right to vote than there should be no problem. Someone suggesting this is an attempt to lower voting turnout by people who would vote Dem is just giving an opinion. If you are legal than you have the right to vote for whom ever you choose. OK I read the article and a few of the links. I don’t see where the gop is trying to supress citizens from voting. If you are talking about voter IDs I’m all for them.

If you are legal and have the right to vote than there should be no problem. Someone suggesting this is an attempt to lower voting turnout by people who would vote Dem is just giving an opinion. If you are legal than you have the right to vote for whom ever you choose.

]]> By: Lumière http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87601 Lumière Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:38:11 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87601 This is one of the most bizarre issue going on Jury duty is compulsory - why isn’t voting? If one is involved in any government program, one should be forced to register as a voter and that would be one point to establish voter id. So few people vote, those that do are motivated - voter id wont stop them. I just don’t understand what the resistance to voter id is. This is one of the most bizarre issue going on

Jury duty is compulsory – why isn’t voting?

If one is involved in any government program, one should be forced to register as a voter and that would be one point to establish voter id.

So few people vote, those that do are motivated – voter id wont stop them. I just don’t understand what the resistance to voter id is.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87600 Potter Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:39:52 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87600 RC21- Listen to the show for examples. There is a link above in the extra-credit reading section which I will repeat here where you will find this information. David Schraub <a href="http://dsadevil.blogspot.com/2007/04/ill-show-you-fraud.html" rel="nofollow">I'll Show You Fraud</a> also see links on that page. Follow the links.... This from Josh Marshall, Talking Points memo: <i>This is an important part of the US Attorney puzzle. You have to put all these pieces together to see the whole picture. The Republican party is heavily invested in hyping and inventing claims of voter fraud which they then use to stymie legitimate voter registration drives and institute 'ballot integrity' efforts which have the actual goal of limiting voting by racial minorities and under-income voters. The truth can hurt but that's the unvarnished truth. And the backdrop to the US Attorney Purge was a concerted effort to enlist US Attorneys to put the power of the state criminal prosecution apparatus behind this partisan gambit.</i> RC21- Listen to the show for examples. There is a link above in the extra-credit reading section which I will repeat here where you will find this information.

David Schraub I’ll Show You Fraud also see links on that page. Follow the links….

This from Josh Marshall, Talking Points memo:

This is an important part of the US Attorney puzzle.

You have to put all these pieces together to see the whole picture. The Republican party is heavily invested in hyping and inventing claims of voter fraud which they then use to stymie legitimate voter registration drives and institute ‘ballot integrity’ efforts which have the actual goal of limiting voting by racial minorities and under-income voters. The truth can hurt but that’s the unvarnished truth. And the backdrop to the US Attorney Purge was a concerted effort to enlist US Attorneys to put the power of the state criminal prosecution apparatus behind this partisan gambit.

]]> By: rc21 http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87599 rc21 Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:48:50 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87599 Potter give me some examples of how the gop is disenfranchising citizens. Potter give me some examples of how the gop is disenfranchising citizens.

]]> By: Potter http://www.radioopensource.org/voter-fraud-real-menace-or-rove-meme/#comment-87598 Potter Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:53:34 +0000 http://www.radioopensource.org/?p=1020#comment-87598 Enhabit: I agree Republicans are not all bad and Democrats are far from all good. For the last 7 years or so however we have seen a level of partisanship coming from the administration and the former ruling party that is unequalled- but I am open to listening to stories about past history. The Democrats have abused power as well. It's just outrageous that Republicans are interested in "voter fraud" to the extent of disenfranchising those who would be most likely to vote Democratic. In other words the issue is not how to appeal to the lower and middle classes to get their legitimate votes, but how to take voting rights away, how to make it harder for some to vote. Enhabit: I agree Republicans are not all bad and Democrats are far from all good. For the last 7 years or so however we have seen a level of partisanship coming from the administration and the former ruling party that is unequalled- but I am open to listening to stories about past history. The Democrats have abused power as well.

It’s just outrageous that Republicans are interested in “voter fraud” to the extent of disenfranchising those who would be most likely to vote Democratic. In other words the issue is not how to appeal to the lower and middle classes to get their legitimate votes, but how to take voting rights away, how to make it harder for some to vote.

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