One question if we don’t require any form of id than how do we really know how many people are voting that are eligible vs illegal

How is requireing people to have a voter ID intimidating.It sounds as if some would prefer we disenfranchise American citizens. I think it is very impoprtant that we only allow citizens to vote. I don’t want my vote nullified by some guy who has no legal right to vote.

See also The Politics of Voter Fraud

Read pages 3 &4 and the intro ( very short).

If you are legal and have the right to vote than there should be no problem. Someone suggesting this is an attempt to lower voting turnout by people who would vote Dem is just giving an opinion. If you are legal than you have the right to vote for whom ever you choose.

Jury duty is compulsory – why isn’t voting?

If one is involved in any government program, one should be forced to register as a voter and that would be one point to establish voter id.

So few people vote, those that do are motivated – voter id wont stop them. I just don’t understand what the resistance to voter id is.

David Schraub I’ll Show You Fraud also see links on that page. Follow the links….

This from Josh Marshall, Talking Points memo:

This is an important part of the US Attorney puzzle.

You have to put all these pieces together to see the whole picture. The Republican party is heavily invested in hyping and inventing claims of voter fraud which they then use to stymie legitimate voter registration drives and institute ‘ballot integrity’ efforts which have the actual goal of limiting voting by racial minorities and under-income voters. The truth can hurt but that’s the unvarnished truth. And the backdrop to the US Attorney Purge was a concerted effort to enlist US Attorneys to put the power of the state criminal prosecution apparatus behind this partisan gambit.

It’s just outrageous that Republicans are interested in “voter fraud” to the extent of disenfranchising those who would be most likely to vote Democratic. In other words the issue is not how to appeal to the lower and middle classes to get their legitimate votes, but how to take voting rights away, how to make it harder for some to vote.

republican does not = bad
democrat does not = good

but the fact of the matter is, some bad people have infiltrated the republican party and are currently running the white house..they are seriously compromising us all..conservative and progressive alike.

recall that there were questions around the kennedy election result in texas, a state among others, with a long history of election shenanigans..wait a minute..his veep was from texas..wait a minute..he was shot in texas..whoa let’s not go there…interesting coincidences though. my home state of pennsylvania (democrat back then) was another offender..my current home state of rhode island (also democrat) is legendary..the state’s voting office is accross the street from a huge cemetary..at least they have a sense of irony.

the further fact of the matter is that as we look to capitol hill for our political leadership it is to “k” street where our attention should be directed..outside of our control and largely beneath our radar. there is big money to be made from that nearly half-trillion dollar defense budget and elsewhere..they will do whatever it takes to keep the cash flowing…they will preserve their foothold wherever it is… even if they have to, at times cleverly, stomp on the constitution to do it..even if they have to bankrupt my children to do it..even if they have to kill people.

hang on and tighten up those safety belts.

As they steal elections, they bitch about having elections stolen from them. The best defense is and offense.

So why didn’t the Supreme Court or the Repulicans ( under the guidance of Jim Baker and a hoard of lawyers beating a path to FLA ) insist on a complete recount if they had nothing to fear?

Obviously Al Gore should have insisted on it. I assume the thinking was that if there was enough fraud or disruption at the polls such that legitimate voters were not able to register their votes- counting the few areas in question would be enough.

The gov of Washington was elected under very shady circumstances. It is pretty well known that Dem congresswomen Loretta Sanchez was elected because the dem machine stuffed the ballot boxes with votes from illegals. I could go on but most of the people on here are not really to concerned with graft and corruption in the democratic party. They are to busy salivating over false scandals that the media has invented.

Which party played which role, I wonder?

Thank you Chris for saying to Maurice Hinchey, “They’ve got a way to go.” And for saying that “they never talk about working people — they talk about the middle class.” As a person who grew up working class and has never figured out how to graduate to the middle class, despite paying for a college education from Boston College, I always appreciate a mention of working people.

Dorr’s Rebellion, named for its leader, Thomas W. Dorr, was directed against the government of Rhode Island, which was still operating under the charter of 1663. The legislature had failed to liberalize the constitution by extending voting rights, enacting a bill of right, or reapportioning the legislature. The Dorrites held an extralegal convention, drafted a new constitution and submitted it to the electorate, whose numbers had been enlarged by the new Dorrite provisions. Simultaneously, on April 18, with Gov. samuel W. King legally still in power, Dorr was named governor in a so-called election. King imposed martial law. On May 18 Dorr and a contingent of followers unsuccessfully attempted to seize a state armory. In 1843 Dorr was sentenced to life imprisonment, but was fully pardoned after serving one year. Reforms in the state constitution were quickly adopted.

“We’re, in some parts of the country, I’m afraid to say, beginning to look like we have elections like those run in countries where the guys in charge are colonels in mirrored sunglasses,” Mr. Rove said. “I mean, it’s a real problem.”

“I had other priorities in the ’60s than military service.” said the future secretary of defense/wh chief of staff/vice-president/bush puppeteer

worthy of haigt ashbury’s most skilled dodgers…and unworthy…this is a man who can rationalize just about anything…like scaring the otherwise apathetic amongst us with such phantoms

i lost patience with this mess..let’s see..when baker was throwing his weight around florida during the gore victory/loss., and all those liberal new york/florida jewish retirees voted republican..WHAT?..i hope that this manipulative cold war mentality fossilises soon so we can start fussing with lesser things like living..if you listen carefully you can just about hear kruschev’s corpse laughing…

When he is not re-arranging baggage at the airport, he is scurrying state to state discouraging minority voting.

The inconsistency is too much:

he has minorities in prominent positions in his administration, yet he doesn’t want minorities voting !

Diabolical!