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		<title>By: Expert Horse Training And Handling. &#124; 7Wins.eu</title>
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		<title>By: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Military POV</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/what-the-active-duty-military-wants/#comment-82704</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Military POV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 19:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  and Machiavelli, or does Iraq offer something new to teach the West Point class of 2026?  What the Active-Duty Military Wants, 01/08/07  What the American soldiers are [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rc21</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/what-the-active-duty-military-wants/#comment-82703</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Tom B;  being x-military like myself you know that the primary pastime of all servicemembers is to bitch and complain on a daily basis. Everything from food to liberty. Mission, leaders, housing,pay,hair length,working hours,watch standing. You name it and the soldier/sailor will complain about it.



   This has been going on since the begining of time.  This should come as no suprise to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Tom B;  being x-military like myself you know that the primary pastime of all servicemembers is to bitch and complain on a daily basis. Everything from food to liberty. Mission, leaders, housing,pay,hair length,working hours,watch standing. You name it and the soldier/sailor will complain about it.</p>
<p>   This has been going on since the begining of time.  This should come as no suprise to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/what-the-active-duty-military-wants/#comment-82702</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole idea of a chain of command and obedience to orders means that what the troops think or feel (especially enlisted troops!) is irrelevant.  The contract between volunteers and the government hiring their services is obedience in exchange for pay and benefits; technically we have an all mercenary military, though most folks would object to such an honest statement of facts.  (Note: One of the most popular benefits is education, both on duty and after leaving active duty).  The American military is relatively &#039;smooth&#039; when it comes to folks breaking their contracts.  Other nations adopt a tougher line.  And non-volunteer armies (e.g. Stalin&#039;s during WWII) would hunt down and summarily execute those protesting or questioning their orders.  When American active-duty troops get too vocal, expect either a honorable or general discharge or an Article 15 disciplinary action.  As my drill instructor many years ago succinctly put it, &#039;There&#039;s no room in the military for individualists.&#039;  A special case is when significant numbers of the OFFICER corps begin to protest.  This is a serious matter for their political masters.  Fortunately it&#039;s an easier matter to silence &#039;troublemakers&#039; in the OFFICER class, since their pay and benefit package is lucrative enough that few will risk losing it.  --  Yes, it IS very much the same as a corporation, and the same human motives that make folks put up with a Ken Lay, or a Dennis Kozlowski operate within the hierarchical constraints of the military...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of a chain of command and obedience to orders means that what the troops think or feel (especially enlisted troops!) is irrelevant.  The contract between volunteers and the government hiring their services is obedience in exchange for pay and benefits; technically we have an all mercenary military, though most folks would object to such an honest statement of facts.  (Note: One of the most popular benefits is education, both on duty and after leaving active duty).  The American military is relatively &#8216;smooth&#8217; when it comes to folks breaking their contracts.  Other nations adopt a tougher line.  And non-volunteer armies (e.g. Stalin&#8217;s during WWII) would hunt down and summarily execute those protesting or questioning their orders.  When American active-duty troops get too vocal, expect either a honorable or general discharge or an Article 15 disciplinary action.  As my drill instructor many years ago succinctly put it, &#8216;There&#8217;s no room in the military for individualists.&#8217;  A special case is when significant numbers of the OFFICER corps begin to protest.  This is a serious matter for their political masters.  Fortunately it&#8217;s an easier matter to silence &#8216;troublemakers&#8217; in the OFFICER class, since their pay and benefit package is lucrative enough that few will risk losing it.  &#8212;  Yes, it IS very much the same as a corporation, and the same human motives that make folks put up with a Ken Lay, or a Dennis Kozlowski operate within the hierarchical constraints of the military&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joneden</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like what have I heard was a triumph of the ego syntonic, by a group of brave and idealistic young men, over the realism of more than a billion people who do not want us to rearrange their minds. Put another way, to &quot;succeed&quot; we will not only have to take and hold all of Iraq, but all of the Muslim world--until that occurs, young men will continue to come at us from every direction to give their life so as to oppose what they see as our subjugation of their brothers and sisters.



JonEden at yahoo



Connecting the Dots: From human behavior to ecosystem collapse   http://StudentsForTheEarth.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like what have I heard was a triumph of the ego syntonic, by a group of brave and idealistic young men, over the realism of more than a billion people who do not want us to rearrange their minds. Put another way, to &#8220;succeed&#8221; we will not only have to take and hold all of Iraq, but all of the Muslim world&#8211;until that occurs, young men will continue to come at us from every direction to give their life so as to oppose what they see as our subjugation of their brothers and sisters.</p>
<p>JonEden at yahoo</p>
<p>Connecting the Dots: From human behavior to ecosystem collapse   <a  href="http://StudentsForTheEarth.org" rel="nofollow">http://StudentsForTheEarth.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: nother</title>
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		<dc:creator>nother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 05:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh Peggysue, I was a little confused.  That is funny though, I didnâ€™t realize he used it in both movies.  I donâ€™t think I made it all the way through the Patriot.



Part of what I was getting at though is we will never see Bush on the horse for two reasons.  First, heâ€™d have nothing to say.  When there is no clear cause, when you canâ€™t even define victory, how can you craft an inspiring rallying cry?  Second, he knows he doesnâ€™t have to, itâ€™s their JOB to fight, and their inspiration is getting paid and getting rank.  Of course I believe these are the two reasons this mission is doomed.



Have we ever won a war without a rallying cry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh Peggysue, I was a little confused.  That is funny though, I didnâ€™t realize he used it in both movies.  I donâ€™t think I made it all the way through the Patriot.</p>
<p>Part of what I was getting at though is we will never see Bush on the horse for two reasons.  First, heâ€™d have nothing to say.  When there is no clear cause, when you canâ€™t even define victory, how can you craft an inspiring rallying cry?  Second, he knows he doesnâ€™t have to, itâ€™s their JOB to fight, and their inspiration is getting paid and getting rank.  Of course I believe these are the two reasons this mission is doomed.</p>
<p>Have we ever won a war without a rallying cry?</p>
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		<title>By: emcil</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/what-the-active-duty-military-wants/#comment-82699</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 04:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OUR PUSH-PULL POLICY REGARDING OUR SOLDIERS:



Although I only listened for the last few moments of the debate regarding how much say should our troops have in creating policy, the fact that such a question is asked shows how wide the attitudinal gap lies between between that of foreign and domestic policy.



Every year it seems there is a cry for more police in the streets. The reverberating voice ultimately begins in the cityâ€™s throat with the policemen  until it rises and then emanates from the mouth, that of the Chief of Police. Usually, a fiscal song and dance occurs between the Major, the Chief of Police and the City Council. The end result is that those who first verbalized the need for more help wins. Why? Because we consider police to be on the front lines of an urban war: crime and hence, the police, we tell ourselves, ultimately know what is necessary to fight and to win.



Yet, when soldiers in Iraq, are fighting in a different type of war, one of no, we consider them unable or inept to set and understand foreign policy. Ironically, it is probably our soldiers who understand  best what the lack in understanding of Iraqâ€™s culture can create, how no schooling in the Iraqi language leaves them at the most vulnerable. More importantly, like the police, our soldiers understand what to lose means more than anyone else. It means death.



Death to their friends, death to themselves and death to a region that they are fighting maintain and stabilize. Losing is not an option and it is not due to an motto drilled into them but because simply, loss can be a synonym for death.



So why do we accept the police officers&#039; cry for more police on the streets and yet, we do not accept what the soldiers tell us is needed or what they believe should be done to win?



Why do we allow police officers to set domestic agenda but we tell ourselves that soldiers can not understand foreign policy, even when they continually shape it by their wins and losses and more importantly, who wish to see it in a manner that is beneficial to the nation that they are fighting for?



What is it about our thinking and our bias that allows such blatant discrepancies to exist and to flourish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OUR PUSH-PULL POLICY REGARDING OUR SOLDIERS:</p>
<p>Although I only listened for the last few moments of the debate regarding how much say should our troops have in creating policy, the fact that such a question is asked shows how wide the attitudinal gap lies between between that of foreign and domestic policy.</p>
<p>Every year it seems there is a cry for more police in the streets. The reverberating voice ultimately begins in the cityâ€™s throat with the policemen  until it rises and then emanates from the mouth, that of the Chief of Police. Usually, a fiscal song and dance occurs between the Major, the Chief of Police and the City Council. The end result is that those who first verbalized the need for more help wins. Why? Because we consider police to be on the front lines of an urban war: crime and hence, the police, we tell ourselves, ultimately know what is necessary to fight and to win.</p>
<p>Yet, when soldiers in Iraq, are fighting in a different type of war, one of no, we consider them unable or inept to set and understand foreign policy. Ironically, it is probably our soldiers who understand  best what the lack in understanding of Iraqâ€™s culture can create, how no schooling in the Iraqi language leaves them at the most vulnerable. More importantly, like the police, our soldiers understand what to lose means more than anyone else. It means death.</p>
<p>Death to their friends, death to themselves and death to a region that they are fighting maintain and stabilize. Losing is not an option and it is not due to an motto drilled into them but because simply, loss can be a synonym for death.</p>
<p>So why do we accept the police officers&#8217; cry for more police on the streets and yet, we do not accept what the soldiers tell us is needed or what they believe should be done to win?</p>
<p>Why do we allow police officers to set domestic agenda but we tell ourselves that soldiers can not understand foreign policy, even when they continually shape it by their wins and losses and more importantly, who wish to see it in a manner that is beneficial to the nation that they are fighting for?</p>
<p>What is it about our thinking and our bias that allows such blatant discrepancies to exist and to flourish?</p>
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		<title>By: peggysue</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nother,



opps... if this sentance didn&#039;t make sense...



Thatâ€™s Mel Gibson alright - a little closer to the movie I think than Braveheart though its basically the same thing with different costumes.



It was suppose to say...



Thatâ€™s Mel Gibson alright - a little closer to the movie &#039;Patriot&#039; (another Mel Gibson) I think than &#039;Braveheart&#039; though its basically the same thing with different costumes.



He makes pretty much the same speech from his horse in both movies followed by riding by yelling FRRRRREEEEEEEEEEDDOOMM! ... must be the standard thing for rallying troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nother,</p>
<p>opps&#8230; if this sentance didn&#8217;t make sense&#8230;</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s Mel Gibson alright &#8211; a little closer to the movie I think than Braveheart though its basically the same thing with different costumes.</p>
<p>It was suppose to say&#8230;</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s Mel Gibson alright &#8211; a little closer to the movie &#8216;Patriot&#8217; (another Mel Gibson) I think than &#8216;Braveheart&#8217; though its basically the same thing with different costumes.</p>
<p>He makes pretty much the same speech from his horse in both movies followed by riding by yelling FRRRRREEEEEEEEEEDDOOMM! &#8230; must be the standard thing for rallying troops.</p>
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		<title>By: drunkencop</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/what-the-active-duty-military-wants/#comment-82697</link>
		<dc:creator>drunkencop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the guests referred in passing to the popular notion that John Kerry might disparage the average grunt as being intellectually unequal to the task of understanding the geopolitical ramifications of the current conflict.



This view of Kerry has gained so much traction recently that, like any falsehood repeated often enough, it&#039;s threatening to become the accepted wisdom.



Kerry&#039;s unfortunate wording of a jab at President Bush has been pointed out often enough -- and his notes for that speaking engagement verify that he was referring to the *leadership&#039;s* being stuck in Iraq, not the ground troops&#039; being stuck there.



Does Kerry have contempt for the mind of the enlisted man? It&#039;s possible, but considering his own combat experience, and his many years of involvement with veteran issues, isn&#039;t it far more likely that he has at least as much empathy for soldiers as does George W. Bush, whose privileges and negligences are too numerous to list here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the guests referred in passing to the popular notion that John Kerry might disparage the average grunt as being intellectually unequal to the task of understanding the geopolitical ramifications of the current conflict.</p>
<p>This view of Kerry has gained so much traction recently that, like any falsehood repeated often enough, it&#8217;s threatening to become the accepted wisdom.</p>
<p>Kerry&#8217;s unfortunate wording of a jab at President Bush has been pointed out often enough &#8212; and his notes for that speaking engagement verify that he was referring to the *leadership&#8217;s* being stuck in Iraq, not the ground troops&#8217; being stuck there.</p>
<p>Does Kerry have contempt for the mind of the enlisted man? It&#8217;s possible, but considering his own combat experience, and his many years of involvement with veteran issues, isn&#8217;t it far more likely that he has at least as much empathy for soldiers as does George W. Bush, whose privileges and negligences are too numerous to list here?</p>
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		<title>By: bluefish</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/what-the-active-duty-military-wants/#comment-82696</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why arenâ€™t we sending in more Special Forces (unconventional warfare) and get the conventional commanders out of the way, instead of simply traffic police? How can we expect success if Sadr and his militia is put off limits by the politicians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why arenâ€™t we sending in more Special Forces (unconventional warfare) and get the conventional commanders out of the way, instead of simply traffic police? How can we expect success if Sadr and his militia is put off limits by the politicians?</p>
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