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		<title>By: Nikos</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bird, for the link above.  It provided not only a sweet thesis but several chuckles, especially after I read this: â€œWagnerâ€¦was undoubtedly a musical genius, but he did much to strengthen the stereotype of Germans as people who just never know when to shut up.  (The philosopher Hegel must also bear some of the blame for this.)â€?

And set me to wonderinâ€™ how much hitherto unknown German I might have in me.



Your post also inspired tonightâ€™s music from my computerâ€™s fine speakers: an early Haydn symphony (no.23), Mozartâ€™s piano concerto no.8, his sym.no.18, then Beethovenâ€™s quintet for piano and winds (inspired by Mozartâ€™s earlier and seminal quintet of the same instrumental mix), Mozartâ€™s piano concerto no.9, and then to top it all off, Beethovenâ€™s First Symphony.

See watâ€™chu dun, boy?

Music to which I will finish my read of Daniel Dennettâ€™s â€˜Breaking the Spellâ€™.

How odd it will be to read a book of that title while a sound-spell enchants me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bird, for the link above.  It provided not only a sweet thesis but several chuckles, especially after I read this: â€œWagnerâ€¦was undoubtedly a musical genius, but he did much to strengthen the stereotype of Germans as people who just never know when to shut up.  (The philosopher Hegel must also bear some of the blame for this.)â€?</p>
<p>And set me to wonderinâ€™ how much hitherto unknown German I might have in me.</p>
<p>Your post also inspired tonightâ€™s music from my computerâ€™s fine speakers: an early Haydn symphony (no.23), Mozartâ€™s piano concerto no.8, his sym.no.18, then Beethovenâ€™s quintet for piano and winds (inspired by Mozartâ€™s earlier and seminal quintet of the same instrumental mix), Mozartâ€™s piano concerto no.9, and then to top it all off, Beethovenâ€™s First Symphony.</p>
<p>See watâ€™chu dun, boy?</p>
<p>Music to which I will finish my read of Daniel Dennettâ€™s â€˜Breaking the Spellâ€™.</p>
<p>How odd it will be to read a book of that title while a sound-spell enchants me!</p>
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		<title>By: A little yellow bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>A little yellow bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waxing rhapsodic on Mr. Mozart: &quot;I can just imagine Mozartâ€™s reaction to the Eroica symphony: â€œNot bad, kid! Not bad at all! But watch this!â€? And then he would have written an even better symphony under the influence of his younger rival, who, not to be outdone, would have come back with his own miracle, and so on, until all our lives were so full of astonishing sounds that the enraptured world would never go to war again.&quot; (READ MORE): http://www.sobran.com/columns/2006/060126.shtml.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waxing rhapsodic on Mr. Mozart: &#8220;I can just imagine Mozartâ€™s reaction to the Eroica symphony: â€œNot bad, kid! Not bad at all! But watch this!â€? And then he would have written an even better symphony under the influence of his younger rival, who, not to be outdone, would have come back with his own miracle, and so on, until all our lives were so full of astonishing sounds that the enraptured world would never go to war again.&#8221; (READ MORE): <a  href="http://www.sobran.com/columns/2006/060126.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.sobran.com/columns/2006/060126.shtml</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Beach Information Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Article from Open Source - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart at 250</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beach Information Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Article from Open Source - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart at 250</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Blog de MÃºsica &#187; Mozart a 250 aÃ±os de su nacimiento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog de MÃºsica &#187; Mozart a 250 aÃ±os de su nacimiento</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] scucharlo con &#8220;bigger ears&#8221;, o sea, oÃ­dos mÃ¡s grandes, se puede encontrar en Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart at 250. En inglÃ©s. 	Mozart: vida y obras  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nikos</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wolfgang-amadeus-mozart-at-250/#comment-68227</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William the Younger:

Popular 18th Century composers commonly suffered from the publication, in their names, of spurious compositions.  It was a way for competent but otherwise hack minor composers to make a little dough, by selling to music publishers something fraudulent they wrote while mimicking the style of a famous composer.  Franz Joseph Haydn in particular suffered from this because he was the most famed composer of his times.  And so hereâ€™s the point: Haydnâ€”BY FARâ€”was the most famousâ€”Mozart wasnâ€™t.  Mozart, after the novelty of his precocious talents wore off, was, in the minds of Europeâ€™s music-buying nobility, relegated to a curiosity.  A fad.  This only worsened as he aged into a typically pimpled adolescentâ€”a no longer â€˜cute kidâ€™ but the unattractive son of a minor musician from a backwards Austrian province (Salzburg).



Musicologists debate the provenance of 18th Century compositions all the time.  Itâ€™s their business (and obsession).  Such debates never amount to much when the composersâ€™ handwriting is obvious and the paper types (chemically tested) are known to be from mills their townsâ€™ merchants traded with.  The problems arise when a compositionâ€™s original manuscript canâ€™t be foundâ€”when the musicologist can only study copies.  Then the composerâ€™s style â€“ his usual, predictable use of musical grammar â€“ becomes the musicologistâ€™s sole authentication-tool.  This isnâ€™t as doubtful a proposition as it might seem: the misattribution of a pair of symphonies by Leopold and his son Wolfgang Mozart (the â€˜Lambachâ€™ pieces) was corrected a couple of decades ago using studious analysis.  (The analysis overturned two centuries of conventional wisdom that the finer piece must have been the work of the â€˜child geniusâ€™â€”it was ultimately agreed that father Leopoldâ€”an accomplished composer in his own rightâ€”must have written the longer, more lovely symphony, while young Wolfgangâ€”still learninâ€™ his licksâ€”must have written the shorter and less polished piece.)



Haydn has many more spurious compositions than Mozartâ€”although after Mozartâ€™s death and the sudden, if belated, surge in his popularity, the hacks got active for sure.  But these frauds are often easier to finger than the spurious â€˜Haydnâ€™sâ€™.  Because Haydnâ€™s lifetime of output was prodigious to say the least (was paid by his noble employer to compose EVERY DAY), and not as self-documented as the musicologists might wish.



(Pen)ultimately, itâ€™s important to understand that until the 18th Centuryâ€™s last couple of decades most compositions outside of opera werenâ€™t taken as seriously as the same types of compositions in the next century. For example, symphonies were little more than glorified opera overtures: pieces designed to open a concert of somewhat more â€˜seriousâ€™ stuffâ€”like chamber music, whose scores the composer could then sell to the music-playing nobility and the newly emerging bourgeoisie.  Thus the bulk of Mozartâ€™s 80-odd â€˜symphoniesâ€™ are nothing like Beethovenâ€™s nine monsters.  Most of â€˜em are more akin to serenadesâ€”background music for soireesâ€”than to the â€˜seriousâ€™ symphonies Haydn was then pioneering, and that Mozart himself would write to great effect later in his short lifetime.  Many of these early symphonies were written to be played only ONCE in his career.  Mozart was able to compose such stuff in a day.  Even later, when he applied himself to the â€˜seriousâ€™ symphonies great composers were then becoming expected to produce (thanks to Haydn), Mozart could produce a complex symphonic masterpiece (like the â€˜Parisâ€™, â€˜Pragueâ€™, and â€˜Linzâ€™) in only a few days.



The point of all this is to dispute the implication of your Jan.13th post that Mozart wasnâ€™t all heâ€™s cracked up to be.  I say just the opposite: as we piece together the fragmented details of his life and his talent, he actually seems all the more a living miracle (and his is coming from an avowed agnostic-atheist, mind you!)  (Robert Gutmanâ€™s â€˜Mozart: A Cultural Biographyâ€™ is a good starting point to test my disputation of your implication.)  I rather think legitimate the 600+ compostions attributed to Mozart.  Keep in mind that only the last couple of hundred of these are generally considered masterful.



Lastly, the point of the radio showâ€™s pianist guest was that Mozart put something new into music: emotions less cheerful than the nobility of his era wanted to hear expressed.  He lived in a time wherein the nobles and royals of Europe wanted light, happy musical reassurance for their soon-to-be overturned hierarchies.  Mozart managed to sneak anxiety into his musicâ€”and the Viennese music-loving public didnâ€™t much like it.  He expressed more too, like pathosâ€”but not the pathetic type of pathos that would come later from the soggy and dreary Romanticsâ€”Mozartâ€™s expressions of pathos were gorgeous, not overdone.  He could just as easily express longingâ€”and this, perhaps, was his finest gift.  Yes, the â€˜Mozartean giftâ€™ was his graceful emotional expressiveness, not his prodigious output, much of which he composed while young and still learning.

Listen to his clarinet concerto (K.622) or to the g minor viola quintet (K.516)â€”listen CAREFULLY (get stoned first! â€“no, just kidding!), understanding that NO ONE before him, not even the great Haydn, had yet produced anything nearly so perfectâ€”and then tell me whether Mozartâ€™s â€˜detractorsâ€™ have a leg to stand on.  I suspect youâ€™ll find reason to revise your opinion.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William the Younger:</p>
<p>Popular 18th Century composers commonly suffered from the publication, in their names, of spurious compositions.  It was a way for competent but otherwise hack minor composers to make a little dough, by selling to music publishers something fraudulent they wrote while mimicking the style of a famous composer.  Franz Joseph Haydn in particular suffered from this because he was the most famed composer of his times.  And so hereâ€™s the point: Haydnâ€”BY FARâ€”was the most famousâ€”Mozart wasnâ€™t.  Mozart, after the novelty of his precocious talents wore off, was, in the minds of Europeâ€™s music-buying nobility, relegated to a curiosity.  A fad.  This only worsened as he aged into a typically pimpled adolescentâ€”a no longer â€˜cute kidâ€™ but the unattractive son of a minor musician from a backwards Austrian province (Salzburg).</p>
<p>Musicologists debate the provenance of 18th Century compositions all the time.  Itâ€™s their business (and obsession).  Such debates never amount to much when the composersâ€™ handwriting is obvious and the paper types (chemically tested) are known to be from mills their townsâ€™ merchants traded with.  The problems arise when a compositionâ€™s original manuscript canâ€™t be foundâ€”when the musicologist can only study copies.  Then the composerâ€™s style â€“ his usual, predictable use of musical grammar â€“ becomes the musicologistâ€™s sole authentication-tool.  This isnâ€™t as doubtful a proposition as it might seem: the misattribution of a pair of symphonies by Leopold and his son Wolfgang Mozart (the â€˜Lambachâ€™ pieces) was corrected a couple of decades ago using studious analysis.  (The analysis overturned two centuries of conventional wisdom that the finer piece must have been the work of the â€˜child geniusâ€™â€”it was ultimately agreed that father Leopoldâ€”an accomplished composer in his own rightâ€”must have written the longer, more lovely symphony, while young Wolfgangâ€”still learninâ€™ his licksâ€”must have written the shorter and less polished piece.)</p>
<p>Haydn has many more spurious compositions than Mozartâ€”although after Mozartâ€™s death and the sudden, if belated, surge in his popularity, the hacks got active for sure.  But these frauds are often easier to finger than the spurious â€˜Haydnâ€™sâ€™.  Because Haydnâ€™s lifetime of output was prodigious to say the least (was paid by his noble employer to compose EVERY DAY), and not as self-documented as the musicologists might wish.</p>
<p>(Pen)ultimately, itâ€™s important to understand that until the 18th Centuryâ€™s last couple of decades most compositions outside of opera werenâ€™t taken as seriously as the same types of compositions in the next century. For example, symphonies were little more than glorified opera overtures: pieces designed to open a concert of somewhat more â€˜seriousâ€™ stuffâ€”like chamber music, whose scores the composer could then sell to the music-playing nobility and the newly emerging bourgeoisie.  Thus the bulk of Mozartâ€™s 80-odd â€˜symphoniesâ€™ are nothing like Beethovenâ€™s nine monsters.  Most of â€˜em are more akin to serenadesâ€”background music for soireesâ€”than to the â€˜seriousâ€™ symphonies Haydn was then pioneering, and that Mozart himself would write to great effect later in his short lifetime.  Many of these early symphonies were written to be played only ONCE in his career.  Mozart was able to compose such stuff in a day.  Even later, when he applied himself to the â€˜seriousâ€™ symphonies great composers were then becoming expected to produce (thanks to Haydn), Mozart could produce a complex symphonic masterpiece (like the â€˜Parisâ€™, â€˜Pragueâ€™, and â€˜Linzâ€™) in only a few days.</p>
<p>The point of all this is to dispute the implication of your Jan.13th post that Mozart wasnâ€™t all heâ€™s cracked up to be.  I say just the opposite: as we piece together the fragmented details of his life and his talent, he actually seems all the more a living miracle (and his is coming from an avowed agnostic-atheist, mind you!)  (Robert Gutmanâ€™s â€˜Mozart: A Cultural Biographyâ€™ is a good starting point to test my disputation of your implication.)  I rather think legitimate the 600+ compostions attributed to Mozart.  Keep in mind that only the last couple of hundred of these are generally considered masterful.</p>
<p>Lastly, the point of the radio showâ€™s pianist guest was that Mozart put something new into music: emotions less cheerful than the nobility of his era wanted to hear expressed.  He lived in a time wherein the nobles and royals of Europe wanted light, happy musical reassurance for their soon-to-be overturned hierarchies.  Mozart managed to sneak anxiety into his musicâ€”and the Viennese music-loving public didnâ€™t much like it.  He expressed more too, like pathosâ€”but not the pathetic type of pathos that would come later from the soggy and dreary Romanticsâ€”Mozartâ€™s expressions of pathos were gorgeous, not overdone.  He could just as easily express longingâ€”and this, perhaps, was his finest gift.  Yes, the â€˜Mozartean giftâ€™ was his graceful emotional expressiveness, not his prodigious output, much of which he composed while young and still learning.</p>
<p>Listen to his clarinet concerto (K.622) or to the g minor viola quintet (K.516)â€”listen CAREFULLY (get stoned first! â€“no, just kidding!), understanding that NO ONE before him, not even the great Haydn, had yet produced anything nearly so perfectâ€”and then tell me whether Mozartâ€™s â€˜detractorsâ€™ have a leg to stand on.  I suspect youâ€™ll find reason to revise your opinion.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: anhhung18901</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mozart rocks!



Now why not do a show titled, &quot;Anne Bradstreet at 333,&quot; per the show suggestion thread?</description>
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<p>Now why not do a show titled, &#8220;Anne Bradstreet at 333,&#8221; per the show suggestion thread?</p>
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		<title>By: A little yellow bird</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wolfgang-amadeus-mozart-at-250/#comment-68225</link>
		<dc:creator>A little yellow bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;OH! Above post re*dumb*ent--it&#039;s already blogged here @ ROS: http://www.radioopensource.org/mozart-for-the-digital-age/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;OH! Above post re*dumb*ent&#8211;it&#8217;s already blogged here @ ROS: <a  href="http://www.radioopensource.org/mozart-for-the-digital-age/" rel="nofollow">http://www.radioopensource.org/mozart-for-the-digital-age/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: A little yellow bird</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wolfgang-amadeus-mozart-at-250/#comment-68224</link>
		<dc:creator>A little yellow bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Potter&quot;: I didn&#039;t even turn on the show--I couldn&#039;t care less about TALKING about Mozart&#039;s magnificent contribution to this otherwise tearful vale we inhabit for so short a time, though I am listening on CD to some of his violin concerti as I type here. However, I found this BBC article at http://lewrockwell.com/ today, Sat., 1/14): &quot;Mozart&#039;s music diary goes online: Net users are getting a chance to enjoy some of Mozart&#039;s most rarely performed compositions.&quot; LINK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4602542.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Potter&#8221;: I didn&#8217;t even turn on the show&#8211;I couldn&#8217;t care less about TALKING about Mozart&#8217;s magnificent contribution to this otherwise tearful vale we inhabit for so short a time, though I am listening on CD to some of his violin concerti as I type here. However, I found this BBC article at <a  href="http://lewrockwell.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lewrockwell.com/</a> today, Sat., 1/14): &#8220;Mozart&#8217;s music diary goes online: Net users are getting a chance to enjoy some of Mozart&#8217;s most rarely performed compositions.&#8221; LINK:</p>
<p><a  href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4602542.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4602542.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it very hard to listen to the conversation. I think Stirling Newberry hits it when he says &quot;it gave moments of clarity to how performers search for that meaning&quot;. Moments. Okay, that&#039;s valuable if you have the interest and patience which I did but only to a point. Talking about music is like talking about painting, (except you can hear music on the radio).  So I found myself wanting to hear/experience more of the music, Russell Sherman&#039;s version, not the talk which seemed more for an advanced conservatory student or other musicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it very hard to listen to the conversation. I think Stirling Newberry hits it when he says &#8220;it gave moments of clarity to how performers search for that meaning&#8221;. Moments. Okay, that&#8217;s valuable if you have the interest and patience which I did but only to a point. Talking about music is like talking about painting, (except you can hear music on the radio).  So I found myself wanting to hear/experience more of the music, Russell Sherman&#8217;s version, not the talk which seemed more for an advanced conservatory student or other musicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Stirling Newberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stirling Newberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This show was, for me, a classic conversation about playing and searching for meaning in Mozart&#039;s music. It gave moments of clarity into how performers search for that meaning, what they bring to the scores and what they look for - often intuitively, without having an exact way of defining it. It&#039;s interesting that Russell Sherman finds Chopin in Mozart, the instability, the darkness, the contradiction of the right hand by the left - it&#039;s one compelling view of the composer, a agon of impulses.



There are others, many others, but a performer has to know who he is performing, even if that who exists only as an image that comes from staring between the cage of the fine bar lines of the staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This show was, for me, a classic conversation about playing and searching for meaning in Mozart&#8217;s music. It gave moments of clarity into how performers search for that meaning, what they bring to the scores and what they look for &#8211; often intuitively, without having an exact way of defining it. It&#8217;s interesting that Russell Sherman finds Chopin in Mozart, the instability, the darkness, the contradiction of the right hand by the left &#8211; it&#8217;s one compelling view of the composer, a agon of impulses.</p>
<p>There are others, many others, but a performer has to know who he is performing, even if that who exists only as an image that comes from staring between the cage of the fine bar lines of the staff.</p>
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