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	<description>Christopher Lydon in conversation on arts, ideas and politics</description>
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		<title>By: roslistener</title>
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		<dc:creator>roslistener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a fascinating show, but I was very amused by Lawrence Oâ€™Donnell&#039;s comment about the AP wire changing in reaction to what bloggers are writing. As an AP staffer, I can definitely say this is not the case.



We a) don&#039;t have the time to read blogs at work and b) are quite capable of having our own discussions about the news thank you very much.



The fact that there is a convergence between AP&#039;s focus on a story and what bloggers are saying can have two explanations: either journalists and bloggers are capable of reaching the same conclusions independently, or bloggers are taking their cue from the AP. Now there&#039;s a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a fascinating show, but I was very amused by Lawrence Oâ€™Donnell&#8217;s comment about the AP wire changing in reaction to what bloggers are writing. As an AP staffer, I can definitely say this is not the case.</p>
<p>We a) don&#8217;t have the time to read blogs at work and b) are quite capable of having our own discussions about the news thank you very much.</p>
<p>The fact that there is a convergence between AP&#8217;s focus on a story and what bloggers are saying can have two explanations: either journalists and bloggers are capable of reaching the same conclusions independently, or bloggers are taking their cue from the AP. Now there&#8217;s a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excerpt from Hertzberg&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/printables/talk/060116ta_talk_hertzberg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Abramoffed&lt;/a&gt; but read the whole thing:



&quot;Abramoff, Bush told Fox News, â€œwas an equal money dispenser.â€? The scandal, numerous commentators have assured us, is â€œbipartisan.â€? Was he? Is it? Well, that depends on your definitions, and your measurements.



If a scandal is defined as something exceptionalâ€”as an unusually egregious display of political squalor that sooner or later involves prosecutors and indictmentsâ€”then this one is as Republican as privatized Social Security. By the charitable giveback standard, itâ€™s either eighty per cent Republican and twenty per cent â€œbipartisanâ€? (i.e., Democratic) or 83â€“17, as measured by, respectively, the party affiliations of the givers-back and the aggregate amounts they let go of. By the standard of straight (apparently legal) campaign contributions, the scandal is sixty-four per cent Republican: of the $5.3 million Abramoff funnelled to candidates and PACs through clients and associates from 1999 through 2004, â€œonlyâ€? $1.9 million went to Democrats. But Abramoff, who is forty-six, has been a Republican operative since his college days. Every dollar of his personal political givingâ€”two hundred thousand dollars since 2000â€”has gone to Republicans. He is a Bush-Cheney â€œPioneer,â€? meaning he raised more than a hundred grand for the ticket. The shinier baublesâ€”skybox fund-raisers, jobs for wives, lavish golfing trips, meals at Abramoffâ€™s upscale restaurantâ€”went almost exclusively to Republicans, especially those in the circle of Tom DeLay, the suspended House Majority Leader. And of those fingered in the Abramoff indictments as being involved in unlawful activities, from Abramoff himself to â€œRepresentative #1â€? and â€œStaffer B,â€? one hundred per cent are Republicans.

Abramoff was the apotheosis of the â€œK Street Project,â€? a highly successful, years-long effort to turn the capitalâ€™s â€œlobbying communityâ€? into a Republican auxiliary, by pressuring lobbying firms and trade associations to support a broad conservative agenda, hire only Republicans, and give money overwhelmingly to Republican politicians. In some ways, the K Street Project is a national, and grander, version of the big-city political machines of old. But those machines, corrupt though they were, had their Robin Hood aspects.&quot;





Regarding what Bush told Fox news,can he be believed about anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpt from Hertzberg&#8217;s <a  href="http://www.newyorker.com/printables/talk/060116ta_talk_hertzberg" rel="nofollow">Abramoffed</a> but read the whole thing:</p>
<p>&#8220;Abramoff, Bush told Fox News, â€œwas an equal money dispenser.â€? The scandal, numerous commentators have assured us, is â€œbipartisan.â€? Was he? Is it? Well, that depends on your definitions, and your measurements.</p>
<p>If a scandal is defined as something exceptionalâ€”as an unusually egregious display of political squalor that sooner or later involves prosecutors and indictmentsâ€”then this one is as Republican as privatized Social Security. By the charitable giveback standard, itâ€™s either eighty per cent Republican and twenty per cent â€œbipartisanâ€? (i.e., Democratic) or 83â€“17, as measured by, respectively, the party affiliations of the givers-back and the aggregate amounts they let go of. By the standard of straight (apparently legal) campaign contributions, the scandal is sixty-four per cent Republican: of the $5.3 million Abramoff funnelled to candidates and PACs through clients and associates from 1999 through 2004, â€œonlyâ€? $1.9 million went to Democrats. But Abramoff, who is forty-six, has been a Republican operative since his college days. Every dollar of his personal political givingâ€”two hundred thousand dollars since 2000â€”has gone to Republicans. He is a Bush-Cheney â€œPioneer,â€? meaning he raised more than a hundred grand for the ticket. The shinier baublesâ€”skybox fund-raisers, jobs for wives, lavish golfing trips, meals at Abramoffâ€™s upscale restaurantâ€”went almost exclusively to Republicans, especially those in the circle of Tom DeLay, the suspended House Majority Leader. And of those fingered in the Abramoff indictments as being involved in unlawful activities, from Abramoff himself to â€œRepresentative #1â€? and â€œStaffer B,â€? one hundred per cent are Republicans.</p>
<p>Abramoff was the apotheosis of the â€œK Street Project,â€? a highly successful, years-long effort to turn the capitalâ€™s â€œlobbying communityâ€? into a Republican auxiliary, by pressuring lobbying firms and trade associations to support a broad conservative agenda, hire only Republicans, and give money overwhelmingly to Republican politicians. In some ways, the K Street Project is a national, and grander, version of the big-city political machines of old. But those machines, corrupt though they were, had their Robin Hood aspects.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding what Bush told Fox news,can he be believed about anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wonkette/#comment-68056</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saddam gamed the sanctions which were UN sanctions. We were all ( the UN) too slow to react/realize/ pay attention to the results and some few at the UN were apparently even making money on it.  So a degree of responsibility for those deaths is appropriatley laid on the UN/US supported sanctions. Sanctions are a blunt instrument and it is hoped useful to avoid war. Saddam, sociopath/thug, was directly responsible however. He was building monuments to himself and living lavishly even despite humanitarian alterations in the sanctions policy. We can give perverse credit to Bush for bringing the subject up again regardless of what followed or his suspect intentions.



Regardling the numbers, I do not know. Intentions matter in my book even if they pave the way to hell.



Regarding the Balkans, a big topic. I remember many clammering feeling uncomfortable about the genocide in Kosovo which apparently was not a genocide we learn after. Still... I think Clinton&#039;s action also had a lot  to do with our shame about not acting in Rwanda.  And still again quite a long time went by before Clinton did anything in the Balkans. We were waiting for the Euros to act. I am just remembering off the top of my head.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saddam gamed the sanctions which were UN sanctions. We were all ( the UN) too slow to react/realize/ pay attention to the results and some few at the UN were apparently even making money on it.  So a degree of responsibility for those deaths is appropriatley laid on the UN/US supported sanctions. Sanctions are a blunt instrument and it is hoped useful to avoid war. Saddam, sociopath/thug, was directly responsible however. He was building monuments to himself and living lavishly even despite humanitarian alterations in the sanctions policy. We can give perverse credit to Bush for bringing the subject up again regardless of what followed or his suspect intentions.</p>
<p>Regardling the numbers, I do not know. Intentions matter in my book even if they pave the way to hell.</p>
<p>Regarding the Balkans, a big topic. I remember many clammering feeling uncomfortable about the genocide in Kosovo which apparently was not a genocide we learn after. Still&#8230; I think Clinton&#8217;s action also had a lot  to do with our shame about not acting in Rwanda.  And still again quite a long time went by before Clinton did anything in the Balkans. We were waiting for the Euros to act. I am just remembering off the top of my head.</p>
<p>Where is Samantha Powers?</p>
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		<title>By: A little yellow bird</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wonkette/#comment-68055</link>
		<dc:creator>A little yellow bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;bicyclemark&quot;: That is absolutely false--many more Iraqis have died (mostly children) under the economic sanctions of Iraq begun on Slick Willy&#039;s watch, than have died so far under Team Bush--although they intend to set a world record, I believe. Clinton was a war criminal in the Balkans. too. I am not a partisan, and this is not a partisan issue. If we do not dismantle the government as it now exists, we can be assured of more of the same. &quot;War is the health of the state.&quot; -Randolph Bourne (see Antiwar.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;bicyclemark&#8221;: That is absolutely false&#8211;many more Iraqis have died (mostly children) under the economic sanctions of Iraq begun on Slick Willy&#8217;s watch, than have died so far under Team Bush&#8211;although they intend to set a world record, I believe. Clinton was a war criminal in the Balkans. too. I am not a partisan, and this is not a partisan issue. If we do not dismantle the government as it now exists, we can be assured of more of the same. &#8220;War is the health of the state.&#8221; -Randolph Bourne (see Antiwar.com)</p>
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		<title>By: bicyclemark</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wonkette/#comment-68054</link>
		<dc:creator>bicyclemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t done a full number crunch and I have no love for what are practically the same party (D and R).. but one thing that seems worth mentioning when comparing who&#039;s worse: less people died while the democrats were misbehaving.  And that makes a hell of a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t done a full number crunch and I have no love for what are practically the same party (D and R).. but one thing that seems worth mentioning when comparing who&#8217;s worse: less people died while the democrats were misbehaving.  And that makes a hell of a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALYB- I have not seen evidence of that. But if I concede at all we would still be talking about new heights, new levels,of corruption achieved, blatently, arrogantly,  in the buying and selling of legislation.  No we have not seen this before.  You are projecting &quot;if&#039;s&quot;  as well, Maybe so, but it has not happened yet.



Let&#039;s contribute to &lt;a href=&quot;https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/direct/9135?successuri=http://www.tasinifornewyork.org/thankyou&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jonathan Tasini&#039;s campaign&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALYB- I have not seen evidence of that. But if I concede at all we would still be talking about new heights, new levels,of corruption achieved, blatently, arrogantly,  in the buying and selling of legislation.  No we have not seen this before.  You are projecting &#8220;if&#8217;s&#8221;  as well, Maybe so, but it has not happened yet.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s contribute to <a  href="https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/direct/9135?successuri=http://www.tasinifornewyork.org/thankyou" rel="nofollow">Jonathan Tasini&#8217;s campaign</a></p>
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		<title>By: A little yellow bird</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wonkette/#comment-68052</link>
		<dc:creator>A little yellow bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Potter&quot;: The Democrats are as venal as the Republicans. They aren&#039;t dominant now, so they are marginally humble. As soon as they regain some seats, and maybe have (gulp!) Shrillary in the Whitehouse, they&#039;ll get all cocky (again). &quot;Sometimes an innocent man is sent to the legislature.&quot; -Kin Hubbard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Potter&#8221;: The Democrats are as venal as the Republicans. They aren&#8217;t dominant now, so they are marginally humble. As soon as they regain some seats, and maybe have (gulp!) Shrillary in the Whitehouse, they&#8217;ll get all cocky (again). &#8220;Sometimes an innocent man is sent to the legislature.&#8221; -Kin Hubbard</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wonkette/#comment-68051</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALYB- no they are not saints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALYB- no they are not saints.</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wonkette/#comment-68050</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonkette was too amused by things that disturb me. The whole scene is material for her. Lawrence O&#039;Donnell said ( more than once) that if the Democrats were in power they&#039;d be doing the same thing ( or did the same thing). But then the name Dan Rostenkowski ( he&#039;s still alive!) came up and we remembered that his big sin had something to do with postage stamps. And for that we lost his otherwise valuable contribution.  But maybe it was Josh Mashall who said it. The difference between what is going on with Republicans in power has to do with the lack of internal tension whilst Democrats have those tensions to keep them in check. My interpretation of that is that while Democrats need the money even more than Republicans, the Democratic voting &quot;base&quot; is much more diverse, multi-ethnic, multi-class, interested in social programs etc.   I may not have stated that too well but that&#039;s the idea. The point is, I think that O&#039;Donnell is flat wrong. Democrats were not and I believe would not be so depraved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonkette was too amused by things that disturb me. The whole scene is material for her. Lawrence O&#8217;Donnell said ( more than once) that if the Democrats were in power they&#8217;d be doing the same thing ( or did the same thing). But then the name Dan Rostenkowski ( he&#8217;s still alive!) came up and we remembered that his big sin had something to do with postage stamps. And for that we lost his otherwise valuable contribution.  But maybe it was Josh Mashall who said it. The difference between what is going on with Republicans in power has to do with the lack of internal tension whilst Democrats have those tensions to keep them in check. My interpretation of that is that while Democrats need the money even more than Republicans, the Democratic voting &#8220;base&#8221; is much more diverse, multi-ethnic, multi-class, interested in social programs etc.   I may not have stated that too well but that&#8217;s the idea. The point is, I think that O&#8217;Donnell is flat wrong. Democrats were not and I believe would not be so depraved.</p>
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		<title>By: A little yellow bird</title>
		<link>http://www.radioopensource.org/wonkette/#comment-68049</link>
		<dc:creator>A little yellow bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;pindrew&quot;: Yeah, man, the Democrats are saints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pindrew&#8221;: Yeah, man, the Democrats are saints.</p>
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