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	<title>Comments on: Yehudi Wyner&#8217;s life in music: a composer with piano hands</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Wheeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was most useful to hear Yehudi’s description of the piano concerto, which I heard at the premiere and have listened to repeatedly. My ear had caught everything he mentioned but named none of it. 

By the way, the chattering wind entrance at the beginning of chiavi in mano inspired a similar moment in my 2006 chamber concerto City of Shadows, though I used quartal rather than triadic harmonies, in a similarly quick harmonic rhythm. My goal was to give that sudden surprising lift that chiavi in mano achieves. 

The Mozart fragment was a great musical thought experiment. When it started, I thought it might be early Haydn, then wondered if it were CPE Bach, then decided it might actually be JS, then some little classical pileup made me think that couldn’t be right either, it had to be later. Mozart I never guessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was most useful to hear Yehudi’s description of the piano concerto, which I heard at the premiere and have listened to repeatedly. My ear had caught everything he mentioned but named none of it. </p>
<p>By the way, the chattering wind entrance at the beginning of chiavi in mano inspired a similar moment in my 2006 chamber concerto City of Shadows, though I used quartal rather than triadic harmonies, in a similarly quick harmonic rhythm. My goal was to give that sudden surprising lift that chiavi in mano achieves. </p>
<p>The Mozart fragment was a great musical thought experiment. When it started, I thought it might be early Haydn, then wondered if it were CPE Bach, then decided it might actually be JS, then some little classical pileup made me think that couldn’t be right either, it had to be later. Mozart I never guessed.</p>
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		<title>By: jim mcdowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim mcdowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the little Mozart!  The genius of the piece startled me.  
Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the little Mozart!  The genius of the piece startled me.<br />
Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: Kento Ikeda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kento Ikeda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great recording. But oh, I can&#039;t help but feel it&#039;s incredibly deceptive! The man has never been more in control! (That comes from the lyrical content in addition to the musical content though, the musical content by itself is, like you say, as affirmative as you&#039;re going to get from Sinatra.)

I need to try harder to listen with Yehudi&#039;s ears (and Bebo Valdes&#039;s, for that matter), I know I&#039;m parsing his observation the completely wrong way. I&#039;m listening to Allegeri&#039;s Miserere and thinking how nakedly repetitive it is, Clearly I shouldn&#039;t be looking for the individual traits he listed divorced from all others, I&#039;m never going to understand what it means for music to be aggressive or affirmative if I think Miserere is aggressive. There&#039;s a lot I do, at least in some way have a shallow understanding of. His comment on texture and instrumentation explains why film scores and new age records sell. It&#039;s time to immerse myself in music again, and learn to listen with less rigidity.

There are some Leonard Bernstein records with some spoken word content, and I&#039;m wondering if there&#039;s anything like that with Ellington? That would be a treasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great recording. But oh, I can&#8217;t help but feel it&#8217;s incredibly deceptive! The man has never been more in control! (That comes from the lyrical content in addition to the musical content though, the musical content by itself is, like you say, as affirmative as you&#8217;re going to get from Sinatra.)</p>
<p>I need to try harder to listen with Yehudi&#8217;s ears (and Bebo Valdes&#8217;s, for that matter), I know I&#8217;m parsing his observation the completely wrong way. I&#8217;m listening to Allegeri&#8217;s Miserere and thinking how nakedly repetitive it is, Clearly I shouldn&#8217;t be looking for the individual traits he listed divorced from all others, I&#8217;m never going to understand what it means for music to be aggressive or affirmative if I think Miserere is aggressive. There&#8217;s a lot I do, at least in some way have a shallow understanding of. His comment on texture and instrumentation explains why film scores and new age records sell. It&#8217;s time to immerse myself in music again, and learn to listen with less rigidity.</p>
<p>There are some Leonard Bernstein records with some spoken word content, and I&#8217;m wondering if there&#8217;s anything like that with Ellington? That would be a treasure.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, Kento: 

I&#039;m listening to Sinatra sing &quot;Nice &#039;n&#039; Easy&quot; as I try to type this... and I&#039;m thinking: this is as affirmative as Sinatra gets.  He was famously an aggressive guy, drawn to violence, and a tender vulnerable love-lorn soul all at the same time.  But this is his light swinging side that Bebo rejoices in.  Sinatra&#039;s finger snapping on that song is also wonderfully gentle, almost serene, &quot;nice and easy,&quot; so to speak.  It reminds me of Duke Ellington instructing his audience to snap on the 2 and 4 beats -- never on the one or three, which as could be considered &quot;aggressive,&quot; as Duke wonderfully cautioned.  Something is beginning to make sense here in Yehudi&#039;s general observation, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, Kento: </p>
<p>I&#8217;m listening to Sinatra sing &#8220;Nice &#8216;n&#8217; Easy&#8221; as I try to type this&#8230; and I&#8217;m thinking: this is as affirmative as Sinatra gets.  He was famously an aggressive guy, drawn to violence, and a tender vulnerable love-lorn soul all at the same time.  But this is his light swinging side that Bebo rejoices in.  Sinatra&#8217;s finger snapping on that song is also wonderfully gentle, almost serene, &#8220;nice and easy,&#8221; so to speak.  It reminds me of Duke Ellington instructing his audience to snap on the 2 and 4 beats &#8212; never on the one or three, which as could be considered &#8220;aggressive,&#8221; as Duke wonderfully cautioned.  Something is beginning to make sense here in Yehudi&#8217;s general observation, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Kento Ikeda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kento Ikeda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea there was an El Sistema USA. That&#039;s fantastic.

I think you intended those questions to be--- not rhetorical, but something to spend a lot more time with, rather than answer immediately, but I&#039;m so tempted to attempt an answer. That coupling of rhythm and power especially comes very close to what I had come up with an incomplete answer for.

I thought one way to finding out the source of where a metaphorical tempo might come from was to think of the reasons people say &quot;I can&#039;t keep up.&quot; One&#039;s workload, culture change, technological change, current events, and one&#039;s position (social or otherwise) in comparison to perceived peers came to my mind, and I&#039;m sure there&#039;s more. And if it&#039;s useful to think of there being an overall tempo to American life, changes in any one of these can perhaps change other things. If you&#039;re spending a couple more hours a week learning about and getting used to using new technologies and information systems, maybe you&#039;ll have less time, and less patience for music that takes more than one listen to understand. And as one becomes accustomed to things being immediately understandable, there&#039;s little patience for anything else. The art that becomes popular will reflect this more and more, validating this quickening of cultural tempo, and further accelerating it. Technology changes, and to stay competitive in many workplaces, individuals need to spend new time adapting to the technology, companies need to implement it to improve productivity and lower costs. I can go on and on, but one very specific thing I want to note is how hipsters, who today think knowing things is cool, often listen to serious music sometimes out of competition more than love of art. If you know more, you have more references to drop, but you need to keep up, be a little bit faster about learning than everyone else otherwise you&#039;re going to embarrass yourself by not knowing enough about Josquin des Prez or a new gypsy-punk band. We can think of this &quot;tempo&quot; as feeding competition, making it very difficult for many people to slow down to appreciate something without feeling like they&#039;re falling behind.

This is very speculative of me, though! And it fails to explain a lot of things, it&#039;s a very limited perspective.

I know I&#039;m looking at this too simply because I&#039;m trying to figure out of &quot;Nice &#039;n&#039; Easy&quot; is what Mr. Wyner would call affirmative or aggressive and I&#039;m thinking about that powerful brass section, and wondering if that&#039;s &quot;marching band.&quot; I&#039;m missing the point, somehow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea there was an El Sistema USA. That&#8217;s fantastic.</p>
<p>I think you intended those questions to be&#8212; not rhetorical, but something to spend a lot more time with, rather than answer immediately, but I&#8217;m so tempted to attempt an answer. That coupling of rhythm and power especially comes very close to what I had come up with an incomplete answer for.</p>
<p>I thought one way to finding out the source of where a metaphorical tempo might come from was to think of the reasons people say &#8220;I can&#8217;t keep up.&#8221; One&#8217;s workload, culture change, technological change, current events, and one&#8217;s position (social or otherwise) in comparison to perceived peers came to my mind, and I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s more. And if it&#8217;s useful to think of there being an overall tempo to American life, changes in any one of these can perhaps change other things. If you&#8217;re spending a couple more hours a week learning about and getting used to using new technologies and information systems, maybe you&#8217;ll have less time, and less patience for music that takes more than one listen to understand. And as one becomes accustomed to things being immediately understandable, there&#8217;s little patience for anything else. The art that becomes popular will reflect this more and more, validating this quickening of cultural tempo, and further accelerating it. Technology changes, and to stay competitive in many workplaces, individuals need to spend new time adapting to the technology, companies need to implement it to improve productivity and lower costs. I can go on and on, but one very specific thing I want to note is how hipsters, who today think knowing things is cool, often listen to serious music sometimes out of competition more than love of art. If you know more, you have more references to drop, but you need to keep up, be a little bit faster about learning than everyone else otherwise you&#8217;re going to embarrass yourself by not knowing enough about Josquin des Prez or a new gypsy-punk band. We can think of this &#8220;tempo&#8221; as feeding competition, making it very difficult for many people to slow down to appreciate something without feeling like they&#8217;re falling behind.</p>
<p>This is very speculative of me, though! And it fails to explain a lot of things, it&#8217;s a very limited perspective.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m looking at this too simply because I&#8217;m trying to figure out of &#8220;Nice &#8216;n&#8217; Easy&#8221; is what Mr. Wyner would call affirmative or aggressive and I&#8217;m thinking about that powerful brass section, and wondering if that&#8217;s &#8220;marching band.&#8221; I&#8217;m missing the point, somehow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yehudi Wyner singing &quot; Fragrance and Unctiousness&quot; over that little piano vignette brings memories of Leonard Bernstein in this little bit of Blitzstein http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixrUZOppdI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yehudi Wyner singing &#8221; Fragrance and Unctiousness&#8221; over that little piano vignette brings memories of Leonard Bernstein in this little bit of Blitzstein <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixrUZOppdI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixrUZOppdI</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This interview was an utter delight. It carried a light, a late afternoon New England light of a late summer day at Tanglewood or the MacDowell Colony, streaming through the windows on a teatime conversation with a group of marvellous artists, composers, writers and others who are disappearing as we watch -- Arthur Berger, Louis Krasner, Gunther Schuller, Gardner Read, John Updike, George Russell, Leonard Bernstein, Aaron Copland, Lukas Foss, and of course Yehudi. 

The easy, exquisitely virtuosic banter about mastery and the deft illustrations in real sound, all characterize a radical competence of craft that have not germinated in the following generations as much as we would like to assume. 

Thank you Chris and thank you Yehudi for a life well lived and now shared.

George Mathew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This interview was an utter delight. It carried a light, a late afternoon New England light of a late summer day at Tanglewood or the MacDowell Colony, streaming through the windows on a teatime conversation with a group of marvellous artists, composers, writers and others who are disappearing as we watch &#8212; Arthur Berger, Louis Krasner, Gunther Schuller, Gardner Read, John Updike, George Russell, Leonard Bernstein, Aaron Copland, Lukas Foss, and of course Yehudi. </p>
<p>The easy, exquisitely virtuosic banter about mastery and the deft illustrations in real sound, all characterize a radical competence of craft that have not germinated in the following generations as much as we would like to assume. </p>
<p>Thank you Chris and thank you Yehudi for a life well lived and now shared.</p>
<p>George Mathew</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Kento.

Just as you posted your comment, I was reading a wonderful evocation of &quot;the tempo of American life&quot; from just 50 years ago.  

This is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebo_Valdés&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bebo Valdes&lt;/a&gt;, the exiled Cuban pianist, today approaching 90, speaking with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/arts/music/13vald.html?_r=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ben Ratliff&lt;/a&gt; of the New York Times about a Frank Sinatra record from 1960, &quot;Nice &#039;n&#039; Easy,&quot; arranged by Nelson Riddle.  

Here&#039;s Bebo: &quot;Nobody can play music like that except in America, that kind of swing, that time.  It&#039;s impeccable.  The most difficult thing in the world is to play slowly and keep time.  When I listen to this, I see American black people dancing.&quot;

Ratliff wondered if Bebo felt a Cuban influence on Sinatra&#039;s timing.  

Bebo says:  &quot;I think it&#039;s really an Italian influence... No, it&#039;s just that a lot of things like that are called American really come from the Antilles.  Like his incredible sense of swing.  Yet America, from the Thirties to the Fifties, gave a lot of music to the world, of which we are all the children.&quot;  

So I am answering your beautifully mysterious question with another set of puzzles: what are the relations between art and culture?  between rhythm and power?  between influence and empire?  And what has happened to the sound and tempo of American life in the last 50 years?

In the meantime, of course I&#039;m all for El Sistema, in America and everywhere -- the program, that is, born in Venezuela to train the vast mass of children to play the classical string instruments.  See:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://elsistemausa.org/el-sistema/venezuela/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;El Sistema&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://elsistemausa.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;El Sistema -- the US version&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Kento.</p>
<p>Just as you posted your comment, I was reading a wonderful evocation of &#8220;the tempo of American life&#8221; from just 50 years ago.  </p>
<p>This is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebo_Valdés" rel="nofollow">Bebo Valdes</a>, the exiled Cuban pianist, today approaching 90, speaking with <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/arts/music/13vald.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">Ben Ratliff</a> of the New York Times about a Frank Sinatra record from 1960, &#8220;Nice &#8216;n&#8217; Easy,&#8221; arranged by Nelson Riddle.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Bebo: &#8220;Nobody can play music like that except in America, that kind of swing, that time.  It&#8217;s impeccable.  The most difficult thing in the world is to play slowly and keep time.  When I listen to this, I see American black people dancing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ratliff wondered if Bebo felt a Cuban influence on Sinatra&#8217;s timing.  </p>
<p>Bebo says:  &#8220;I think it&#8217;s really an Italian influence&#8230; No, it&#8217;s just that a lot of things like that are called American really come from the Antilles.  Like his incredible sense of swing.  Yet America, from the Thirties to the Fifties, gave a lot of music to the world, of which we are all the children.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So I am answering your beautifully mysterious question with another set of puzzles: what are the relations between art and culture?  between rhythm and power?  between influence and empire?  And what has happened to the sound and tempo of American life in the last 50 years?</p>
<p>In the meantime, of course I&#8217;m all for El Sistema, in America and everywhere &#8212; the program, that is, born in Venezuela to train the vast mass of children to play the classical string instruments.  See:  <a href="http://elsistemausa.org/el-sistema/venezuela/" rel="nofollow">El Sistema</a> and <a href="http://elsistemausa.org/" rel="nofollow">El Sistema &#8212; the US version</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kento Ikeda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kento Ikeda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve spent the past couple hours struggling to write about &quot;the tempo of American life,&quot; what it is, where it comes from, how it effects different kinds of people, and how it effects appreciation for art, the news, and some other things. But I think the people here already get it. I really just want to say we need to pull people out of it, get people to relax. It wouldn&#039;t be difficult to seed a love of serious music in some people.

(Or I want to say &quot;what we need in the United States is a program like El Sistema.)&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve spent the past couple hours struggling to write about &#8220;the tempo of American life,&#8221; what it is, where it comes from, how it effects different kinds of people, and how it effects appreciation for art, the news, and some other things. But I think the people here already get it. I really just want to say we need to pull people out of it, get people to relax. It wouldn&#8217;t be difficult to seed a love of serious music in some people.</p>
<p>(Or I want to say &#8220;what we need in the United States is a program like El Sistema.)&#8221;</p>
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